Why do LGBT Israelis leave the country?

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    Mar 01, 2016 12:34 AM GMT
    We Israeli gays resent being used in Israel's Pinkwashing propaganda to show how cosmopolitan they are, to detract from the atrocities, war crimes and crimes against humanity committed against the Palestinian people.

    Whether due to homophobia or their criticism of the occupation, some queer Israelis say they're never coming back. - Welcome to my world LGBT Israelis.

    ||The decision to interview queers who do not feel a strong connection to Israel — those who left and do not necessarily think of returning — is interesting because of the way the Israeli collective already questions their very belonging. Homophobia in Israeli society cannot be denied. Moreover, the Israeli queer community faces violent attacks on a regular basis (including in the “gay bubble” of Tel Aviv), such that even the most Zionist members of the LGBT community must admit that our rights cannot be compared to the rights of the heterosexual citizens of the state. Even when the Knesset organizes a Pride Day in the parliament, proposals to support the gay community are rejected by Knesset members on both sides of the political spectrum.

    ||As I showed in my dissertation, Jews left Palestine prior to the founding of the State of Israel, and even more left after its establishment. It is commonly argued that a large number of Jews left after the Yom Kippur War and during the two intifadas, but the truth is that Jews leave Israel all the time for various reasons. Moreover, there are many forms of emigration and lifestyles that do not fall under the categories used by the state in order to indicate who is an emigrant. Many people work in other countries, yet have permanent residence in Israel, while others go abroad to study or work, only to return several years later. The numbers Israel presents to the public do not reflect the current reality. However, this is not the main problem.
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    Mar 01, 2016 1:08 AM GMT
    Yishai Schlissel -Jerusalem Gay Pride.

    In 2005, Schlissel stabbed three marchers during the gay pride parade in Jerusalem. As a result, he was convicted of "attempted murder and aggravated assault", and sentenced to twelve years. In 2007, his sentence was reduced to ten years, and he was released in June 2015.

    On 30 July 2015, during the 2015 Jerusalem gay pride, he stabbed 16-year-old Shira Banki to death, and wounded six other people.

    Yeah thanks Israel for letting him stab us again.

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    Mar 01, 2016 9:40 PM GMT
    Nimrod, ''gays'' dont leave Israel, you left Israel, thats one.

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    Mar 01, 2016 9:43 PM GMT
    And you are just one more self hating individual,so we are doing fine without you and your sort.
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    Mar 02, 2016 12:29 AM GMT
    Pinkwashing, and the (mis)use of "antisemitism," to legitimize an ultra-nationalist, racist, religious agenda are human rights concerns. A report by an LGBT advocacy group shows "an 80 percent increase in the number of documented anti-LGBT statements and incidents in 2015" This is besides the fact that Israelis are protected under law to persecute Palestinians with impunity.


    ||Israeli left-wing activists protest against recent Jewish violent attacks on the Dawabsha family and LGTBQ activists, Tel Aviv, August, 8, 2015.
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    Mar 02, 2016 6:13 PM GMT
    Interesting, I had no idea about this phenomenon of jews leaving Israel.
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    Mar 02, 2016 6:23 PM GMT
    You are more than welcome to come here. We have a very small Jewish community in India and perhaps the only country in the world with no history of anti-semitism.

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    Mar 02, 2016 7:01 PM GMT

    he writes ''we Israeli gays'' who elected him to be a representative of Israeli gays? he only represent himself, and a very small ultra left minority that suffers from Stockholm syndrome.
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    Mar 04, 2016 1:21 AM GMT
    Ashdod said

    he writes ''we Israeli gays'' who elected him to be a representative of Israeli gays? he only represent himself, and a very small ultra left minority that suffers from Stockholm syndrome.

    You only speak for Israeli gay people like you far right-wing Zionist. The right-wing rulers are theocrats and bigots. From denial of Reform as Jews to anti-Arab racism to homophobia. Where is Israel going? I weep.


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    Mar 04, 2016 9:16 PM GMT
    yes i am a proud zionist, i belive that israel is the land of the jews, a visit to yad va-shem or any other holocaust museum should influence you as well.
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    Mar 04, 2016 11:30 PM GMT
    I can see why Palestinians are denied equal rights by the state of Israel under a system of apartheid in Hebron. Israel is not a land of Jews, there are Israeli Arabs (Palestinians) today are part of Israel.

    Yad Vashem Fires Employee Who Compared Holocaust to Nakba
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    Mar 06, 2016 7:24 PM GMT
    Meanwhile in Israel...
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    Mar 10, 2016 4:21 PM GMT
    Nimrod said

    Is that Jesus on the left? Will He be staying longer this time?
  • Cutlass

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    Mar 19, 2016 11:13 PM GMT
    Politics in Israel is dominated by the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox branches, so Israeli law often follows their dictates. The Orthodox are not very sympathetic or understanding of gays, so the results are problematic for GLBTs.
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    Apr 29, 2016 12:20 PM GMT
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    Apr 29, 2016 12:21 PM GMT
    hot israeli !
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 30, 2016 6:58 AM GMT
    First, note that "Nimrod" was a sock puppet (fake account) and was deleted by admin.
    Not Israeli, not Jewish - fake "credentials" to make his "arguments" have a semblance of "credibility". FAIL.

    No evidence has been provided that "LGBT Israelis leave the country".

    Of course there is "Homophobia in Israeli society", just as there is in every other society on Earth.
    Overall, Israel is likely in the top 20 countries world-wide.
    And certainly it is without peer in its neighborhood.

    It's like faulting the USA for Eric Rudolph firing into a gay bar. Sure, the US can do things better, but it wasn't the state acting but an individual.

    What tells us more about a society is how it reacts to the rampage of a deranged extremist (rather than seeking to racistly stereotype a society on the basis of that extremist exception). We learn more from the response of the people and leaders - across the political spectrum:

    Thousands Rally Across Israel Following Gay Pride Stabbing Attack

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    || JERUSALEM — Thousands of Israelis attended demonstrations across the country on Saturday, two days after an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man allegedly stabbed six people at Jerusalem's gay pride parade, leaving one teenager in critical condition.

    || The prime minister led a chorus of condemnation from across the political spectrum as all parties, right, left, and ultra-Orthodox, spoke out against the attack

    || Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday condemned a stabbing attack at the gay pride parade in Jerusalem, calling it a “despicable hate crime” and “an incident of the utmost gravity.” He vowed that, “We will bring the responsible to justice” and said Israel would protect the gay and lesbian community.

    || Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the attack was aimed "at all our children [and] "What happened in Jerusalem goes against the spirit of (the Jewish) people... In every society there are extreme, murderous elements and regrettably it is true even among us but society and the state is judged by how the mainstream and the leadership acts ... we will continue to lead our country against hatred and homophobia," Netanyahu said.

    || “The State of Israel respects the private freedom of individuals which is a fundamental principle exercised in this country,” Netanyahu said. “We must ensure that every man and every woman can live in full security in any way that they choose. This is how we have acted in the past and this is how we will continue to act. I wish all the wounded a speedy recovery.”

    || Israeli President Reuven Rivlin said in Jerusalem that "We must be much more forthright, we must be thorough and clear, starting with education through to law enforcement, in order to extinguish the flames."

    || President Reuven Rivlin said that Israel would not stand for such “hate crimes.” “We came together today for a festive event, but the joy was shattered when a terrible hate crime occurred here in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel,” he said. “People celebrating their freedom and expressing their identity were viciously stabbed. We must not be deluded — a lack of tolerance will lead us to disaster. We cannot allow such crimes, and we must condemn those who commit and support them. I wish the injured a full and speedy recovery.”

    || Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat vowed that freedom of expression would not by defeated by violence in the capital. “The criminal act this evening in Jerusalem is an attempt to damage the fabric of the city and to prevent the basic rights of freedom of expression,” he said. “We will not allow any excuse for any kind of violence. In Jerusalem there is a place for everyone, and we will continue to fight along with the Israel police against anyone who tries to violently hurt others. We will continue to support all the groups and communities in Jerusalem and we will not be deterred by the foul means of those who are trying to prevent it.”

    || Knesset Speaker MK Yuli Edelstein (Likud) warned that such acts threatened to further divide Israel society, and called for non-violent freedom of expression. “This is a shameful act and it should be denounced,” Edelstein said in a statement. “The schisms in our society are widening, and these acts bring us as a society to the edge of a precipice. We must enable every community the freedom of speech but never use violence! I call on legal authorities to prosecute the perpetrator to the full.”

    || Israel’s chief rabbis condemned the use of violence in the name of religion.

    || Sephardic Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef said, “the sentence for the stabber in the streets of Jerusalem today should be the sentence for any murderer or even more serious than that; it’s unacceptable that a man rises supposedly in the name of religion and raises his hand against Israeli lives.”

    || Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi David Lau said that “the Torah of Israel forbids any act of violence and harming a person, and all the more so a man who harms others and attempts to kill.”

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    Apr 30, 2016 6:58 AM GMT
    || Economy Minister Aryeh Deri, from the ultra-Orthodox Shas party, joined in denouncing the attack. “Any show of violence should be condemned and denounced and there should be a bitter war against anyone who acts violently against any person,” he said.

    || Opposition leader MK Isaac Herzog (Zionist Union) said the campaign against such acts was central to the very character of the State of Israel. “The stabbing in the pride march in Jerusalem is an abominable hate crime,” he said. “I call on the police to enable the continuation of events and to not give in to the enemy of everything that is good and wonderful in Israel. ...This is a struggle of principles and it is important for the character of the state,” he added. “I support the marchers and pray for the speedy recovery of the injured.”

    || Herzog’s fellow party member MK Tzipi Livni also decried the crime. “The stabbing incident at the gay pride parade in Jerusalem is the most terrifying expression that could be of unfounded hatred among the people of Israel,” she said. “A crime of pure intolerance towards others, it comes from the seeds of incitement throughout the year. I wish a full recovery to the wounded and am sure that the justice system will bring the stabber to justice.”

    || Education Minister Naftali Bennett of the religious Jewish Home party lamented the “moral crime” that he said required Israeli society to reflect on its moral status. “The stabbing at the pride parade is a moral crime that cannot be forgiven,” he said. “The person who did this damaged Jewish values and morals and should be punished as severely as possible. Once the incident has been clarified Israeli society must do some soul searching on how we came to this.”

    || Said Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid: “What happened today in Jerusalem is a hate crime against the LGBTQ community. It cannot be that an event entirely based on the values of equality and freedom of expression in Israel ends with people being stabbed, people who only want to express their full right to choose who to love. “Israel was founded on the values of equality and respect for the freedom of every person to choose how they want to live their lives irrespective of race, gender or religion. Law enforcement must act firmly against anyone who tries to undermine those values,” Lapid said.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 30, 2016 7:02 AM GMT
    See also:

    "Pinkwashing"- LGBT Conference in Chicago Turns Violent From Anti-Israel Protesters

    Why #Pinkwashing Insults Gays and Hurts Palestinians

    Gay Palestinians

    Countries that support gays or kill them

    Saudi Arabia says it will support human rights as long as they can still kill gay people

    Israel Plans Monument to Gays Persecuted by Nazis

    Israelis are ready to follow Ireland's lead and legalize gay marriage

    Tel Aviv Pride 2015

    Israel is a secular, democratic, state (gay friendly, too)
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    Apr 30, 2016 7:52 AM GMT
    yo wolverine, i really got a lot out of all the quotes you brought together. Respect.

    And to all of you in Israel, I was there for the first time last summer and can't wait to get back!

    Love infinite