Newsweek: HAMAS EXECUTES PROMINENT COMMANDER AFTER ACCUSATIONS OF GAY SEX

  • mwolverine

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    Mar 02, 2016 1:52 AM GMT
    Hamas Commander, Accused of Theft and Gay Sex, Is Killed by His Own
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/world/middleeast/hamas-commander-mahmoud-ishtiwi-killed-palestine.html?_r=0
    2 March 2016

    Mr. [Mahmoud] Ishtiwi, 34, was a commander from a storied family of Hamas loyalists who, during the 2014 war with Israel, was responsible for 1,000 fighters and a network of attack tunnels. Last month, his former comrades executed him with three bullets to the chest.

    Adding a layer of scandal to the story, he was accused of moral turpitude, by which Hamas meant homosexuality. And there were whispers that he had carved the word “zulum” — wronged — into his body in a desperate kind of last testament.

    His death has become the talk of the town in the conservative quarters of Gaza, the Palestinian coastal territory, endlessly discussed in living rooms, at checkpoints and in cabs. But to astute Gaza observers, this was more substantive than a soap opera.

    Mr. Ishtiwi, who is survived by two wives and three children, was not the first member of Hamas’s armed wing, the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, to be killed by his own. What was unprecedented was the way his relatives spoke out publicly about it.

    Ibrahim al-Madhoun, a writer close to Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza, said the situation spotlighted shifts since Yehya Sinwar was elected in 2012 to represent Qassam in Hamas’s political wing, a role akin to defense minister. Mr. Sinwar’s actions, he said, showed that even senior figures were not sacrosanct.

    “He is harsher than other leaders — he wants his army to be pure,” Mr. Madhoun said in an interview. “Those who are in the Qassam are the most important people in Gaza. There is a need, they say, to show that these people are not untouchable.”

    Human Rights Watch investigated the death; the group and an international aid worker who closely followed the case have offered details. Mr. Ishtiwi’s mother and 11 of his siblings were also interviewed for this article, alongside two Gaza-based human rights activists who followed parts of the story.

    It was five months after that deadly [2014] battle subsided, on Jan. 21, 2015, that Mr. Ishtiwi was summoned to an interrogation by Qassam military intelligence officials. Officers doing a kind of after-action investigation of the war suspected that he had diverted money allocated to his unit for weapons. “Do you have money?” he was asked, according to relatives. “How do you spend it?”

    He admitted that he had kept money meant for the brigades, and thus, said his sister Buthaina, 27, “began the telenovela of torture.”

    The Hamas official said Mr. Ishtiwi’s quick confession had aroused suspicion that he was hiding something bigger.

    A dragnet investigation began, drawing in Mr. Ishtiwi’s soldiers. Qassam officials found a man who claimed he had had sex with Mr. Ishtiwi and provided dates and locations. They concluded that the missing money had been used either to pay for sex or to keep the man quiet. If Israeli intelligence officials knew Mr. Ishtiwi was gay, the officials surmised, perhaps he had given them information in exchange for keeping a secret that, if uncovered, would have made him an outcast in his society.

    In his next meeting with relatives, on March 1 [2015], Mr. Ishtiwi told his brother Hussam that he had been tortured since his fourth day in detention. Six weeks later, when his wives visited, they sneaked out a note, of which Human Rights Watch shared a photograph. “They nearly killed me,” it says. “I confessed to things I have never done in my life.”

    By June 7, when Samia visited her brother at a Qassam base near Gaza City’s used car market, Mr. Ishtiwi “looked destroyed,” she recalled.

    “I asked, ‘Why are you crying, brother?’ ” she said. “And he said, ‘I have been wronged, wronged.’ ”

    Relatives said Mr. Ishtiwi had told them he had been suspended from a ceiling for hours on end, for days in a row. He was whipped, and guards blasted loud music into his cell, banishing sleep.

    She also said Mr. Ishtiwi had given her two pages crammed with writing, describing the abuse and proclaiming his innocence. The family would not share the letter, but several of Mr. Ishtiwi’s siblings said that it listed episodes in which rival commanders had made errors that led to the killing of Qassam fighters in the 2014 war, and that it accused them of orchestrating his detention.

    Buthaina and Samia said they had shown the letter to Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, at his home on June 15. (Mr. Haniyeh did not respond to requests for comment.) They said they had asked Mr. Haniyeh if their brother could have a lawyer. No. Red Cross visits? No. An internal committee to review his case? Perhaps.

    They returned on July 2 with dozens of relatives and neighbors and tried to pressure Mr. Haniyeh by chanting outside his home against Hamas, a rare event. Police officers hit some of the demonstrators, people who were there said, and a senior Hamas spokesman publicly accused them of being violent.

    After a sleepless night, Buthaina posted about the situation on Facebook, breaking months of silence. “We are children of this movement,” she said. “We thought that we would resolve the matter between us.” Instead, she said, “The trust was broken.”

    Aug. 10 was the last time the family saw Mr. Ishtiwi.
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    Mar 02, 2016 9:09 PM GMT
    Live by the sword; die by the sword. No tears here.
  • JackNNJ

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    Mar 03, 2016 9:27 PM GMT
    This motherfucker was a terrorist, and the white Liberals at HRW are concerned about homophobia among ragheads?

    What the fuck. What the fucking fuck.
  • charlitos666

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    Mar 03, 2016 11:46 PM GMT
    so there are gay terrorists
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    Mar 04, 2016 12:00 AM GMT
    pics or it didn't happen
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 04, 2016 2:36 PM GMT
    The use of "dragnet" above reminded me of this, but evidently out of respect for his family his body wasn't desecrated as others were.

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    Can you believe there are a few mental cases on RJ who idolize these Hamas goons as heroes and embrace them?
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    Mar 04, 2016 2:50 PM GMT
    mwolverine saidThe use of "dragnet" above reminded me of this, but evidently out of respect for his family his body wasn't desecrated as others were.

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    Can you believe there are a few mental cases on RJ who idolize these Hamas goons as heroes and embrace them?


    Can you name them? I haven't come across one, If by showing support for the sovereignty of Palestine and its people you mean Hamas then I suppose that says quite a lot about your own self.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 04, 2016 2:54 PM GMT
    I support an independent, sovereign and internationally recognized Arab Palestine myself, so obviously that isn't what I meant.

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    ricky1987 saidIf by showing support for the sovereignty of Palestine and its people you mean Hamas then I suppose that says quite a lot about your own self.
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    Mar 04, 2016 7:49 PM GMT
    No evidence whatsoever. mwolverine hates Palestinians by posting negative about them, because I have an article that really pissed him off that Israeli Gay leaving.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4188313

    He is such a pathological liar, that picture happen during the Gaza war in 2014. The guy was pulled because he was collaborating with Israeli terrorists, not because he was gay.

    Watch Omar how Israeli government use Palestinian people like animals.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_(film)
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 04, 2016 10:06 PM GMT
    אוי נמרוד ,נמרוד
    מהרסייך ומחריביך מימך יצאו״''
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    Mar 05, 2016 2:35 PM GMT
    הוא סוֹק פַּאפֵּט
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    Mar 05, 2016 9:47 PM GMT
    Fighting to retrieve stolen land, makes one a terrorist; hmmm. Also why do bisexual men living as straight men get labeled gay?
  • Triggerman

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    Mar 06, 2016 12:44 AM GMT
    That story, if true is very funny.
  • jjguy05

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    Mar 06, 2016 1:51 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidThat story, if true is very funny.


    Trigger, it's your conservative paradise. You should move over there.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 06, 2016 3:55 PM GMT
    Is there really a difference between Hamas and ISIS?

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  • mwolverine

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    Mar 06, 2016 4:45 PM GMT
    Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood and while its immediate goal is the elimination of Israel, it's larger goal is no different than ISIS. From its Covenant:

    || The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.

    They want to bring Dar al-Islam (house/land of Islam) to the entire rest of the world, Dar el al-Harb (house/land of war).
    They make this perfectly clear under the "Objectives" section:

    || As for the objectives: They are the fighting against the false, defeating it and vanquishing it so that justice could prevail, homelands be retrieved and from its mosques would the voice of the mu'azen emerge declaring the establishment of the state of Islam, so that people and things would return each to their right places and Allah is our helper.

    Since the violent Hamas coup (which AyaTrolLiar pouncer supports) in 2007, 75% of Gaza's Christian population has fled to the "West Bank".
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 06, 2016 4:46 PM GMT
    The closest analog is not the government of Saudi Arabia.
    While there is much to lament, at least it holds trials and treats bodies with respect.
    Unlike ISIS and Hamas, with their vigilante executions, leaving bodies out to rot.

    The Saudis at least have some differentiation of State and "Church".
    ISIS and Hamas do not, and would philosophically reject any such.

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    Mar 06, 2016 7:16 PM GMT
    Hamas is nothing like Saudi or ISIS. Hamas is like Shas or Jewish Home Party in Israeli government conservative right wingers.

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    Hitler was a Zionist, you motha fucker.
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    Mar 06, 2016 7:43 PM GMT
    Maybe this is a good tactic to eliminate Hamas, ISIS, al Quaida, Taliban, Boca Haram, and other Islamic extremist leaders: plant manufactured information that they're gay. And let them devour their own.

    Then we don't have to waste money on costly drones, with collateral damage, accidental civilian strikes, and bad press, along with avoiding the problem of finding their hiding places. Nor risk the lives of US Special Forces teams. Let these fanatics kill each other. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 06, 2016 7:45 PM GMT
    Yeah let's not forget about Jewish extremists in Israel too.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4188313

    What do Zionist and Hamas have in common? Jewish state and Islamic state.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 07, 2016 1:26 AM GMT
    It's hard to take someone who says such things seriously, but then it's no different than pouncer:

    "Nimrod"> Hitler was a Zionist, you motha fucker.

    Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo.


    Sock Puppet> What do Zionist and Hamas have in common? Jewish state and Islamic state.

    Israel is a Jewish state in the same way that Hungary is the Magyar (Hungarian) state not Catholic state.

    Israel is mostly a secular state, with religious law only in areas of family law (e.g. Marriage/Divorce).
    In those areas, Muslim, Christian and Bahai laws are on equal footing with Jewish law.

    In Israel, you'll find gay rights, women's rights, etc.
    As this thread reminds us, there is no such thing under Hamas rule.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 07, 2016 1:33 AM GMT
    Subject: Hamas

    AyaTrolLiar pouncer> blah blah blah Saudi Arabia blah blah blah

    Sock Puppet Nimrod> blah blah blah Israel blah blah blah

    ricky1987 said
    mwolverine saidCan you believe there are a few mental cases on RJ who idolize these Hamas goons as heroes and embrace them?

    Can you name them? I haven't come across one

    Any further questions?
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 07, 2016 3:31 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> Israel is a slice of 1960s Alabama in the Middle East.

    Even if true, and it is not, that puts it more than 1,000 years ahead of much of the neighborhood.

    A citizen of Israel is an Israeli and all have equal rights under the law.

    Dozens of countries have fast-track immigration laws. Israel, the Jewish homeland, provides fast-track immigration to ethnic Jews (even if they are secular or atheist) just as Hungary provides fast-track citizenship to ethnic Hungarians.

    But why raise those diversions here?
    That's right, to gloss over the fact that he refuses to condemn Hamas terrorists.
    Even when they execute one of their own for having gay sex.


    Thanks for proving my point!
  • badbug

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    Mar 07, 2016 9:50 AM GMT

    Isis is bad, Saudi Arabia is bad. What do they have in common? Religious nut cases.

    Alabama is bad, West Virginia is bad. What do they have in common, a higher percentage of religious nut cases.

    Who are the Jews most opposed to any two-state solution? The most religious ones.

    It's almost like being a religious nut case, shows some sort of disconnection from reality and an enhanced inability to correctly process information.


  • mwolverine

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    Mar 07, 2016 12:44 PM GMT
    Nut cases aren't limited to religious folks. There are also non-religious people who reverse the scientific method in pursuit of their blind hate. Or rather, that hate blinds them to everything else.

    For example, those who hate Jews thus embracing Hamas, never criticizing them, thinking they have a "right" to perpetrate their crimes (against the hated Jews).

    See:

    Why does virulent Anti-Semitism play such a large role in MidEast discussions on RJ?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4015076

    Amnesty International: Rocket and mortar attacks by Palestinian armed groups is unlawful and deadly
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4030802

    Hamas admits it lied about Casualties... Yet some RJers still attempt to spam & perpetuate those propaganda lies-for-the-cause?!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1217613

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151

    Note further that Israel is a primarily a secular state with a majority supporting the two-state solution. In the Palestinian Arab territories, only 45% presently support that (and overall, if we include the refugees and their descendants in camps - 68 years later - in neighboring Arab countries it is likely even lower).

    Hamas seeks "the establishment of the state of Islam" and categorically rejects negotiation, compromise and peaceful coexistence.

    badbug saidWho are the... most opposed to any two-state solution? The most religious ones.

    It's almost like being a religious nut case, shows some sort of disconnection from reality and an enhanced inability to correctly process information.

    Guess who on RJ has argued against Clinton's two-state solution?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210