ROMNEY TO DENOUNCE TRUMP TODAY IN MAJOR SPEECH: Are we witnessing the breakup with the GOP?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 03, 2016 1:20 PM GMT
    It is an amazing moment.... the standard bearer of a political party from the previous cycle, condemning the current frontrunner in a major, national speech.

    And on top of that, another GOP debate tonight. It probably won't just be fireworks, but more like a "match thrown into a box of fireworks". It will,
    indeed be an intriguing moment.

    I absolutely believe that Trump will not be the Republican nominee in the fall. He'll quit and do the 3rd party thing... just a matter of time.

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    Mar 03, 2016 2:01 PM GMT
    I don't think Trump is going away. In fact, I think this recent concerted Republican effort to minimize him likely will boomerang. His supporters have already made up their minds, and no amount of last-minute condemnation from Romney, et al., will be consequential. The only question that remains is whether he will run as a Republican or as something else. If he senses that his status as the potential Republican nominee is at risk because of the Republican machinery's efforts to install Rubio, Kasich, or Cruz in lieu of him, he will look at other options and he will be even more formidable. People like Trump don't simply go away. They may go away but they will leave a lot of destruction behind.
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    Mar 03, 2016 2:48 PM GMT
    The voters are basically throwing a grenade into the GOP establishment due to their non-responsiveness.

    The possibility of a Trump candidate in November scares the crap out of them. Good.
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    Mar 03, 2016 2:51 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI don't think Trump is going away. In fact, I think this recent concerted Republican effort to minimize him likely will boomerang. His supporters have already made up their minds, and no amount of last-minute condemnation from Romney, et al., will be consequential. The only question that remains is whether he will run as a Republican or as something else. If he senses that his status as the potential Republican nominee is at risk because of the Republican machinery's efforts to install Rubio, Kasich, or Cruz in lieu of him, he will look at other options and he will be even more formidable. People like Trump don't simply go away. They may go away but they will leave a lot of destruction behind.


    He will run independent which would split the vote between Trump and whoever. Unless Hillary is indicted by DOJ she would win. Of course if enough people are pissed off by GOP Trump could win but it seems like a long shot.

    They know this and have to decide whether Trump should be president or Hillary.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 03, 2016 3:44 PM GMT
    I have a feeling the Romney takedown of Trump will fail miserably...may even help Trump. Romney is looking like a typical establishment hypocrite today doing this after he was so glowing over Trump in 2012 after he seeked out and received Trump's endorsement. Very disappointed in Mitt today. If Trump supporters cared what the establishment thinks, the Trump phenomenon wouldn't have ever happened in the first place.
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    Mar 03, 2016 4:00 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI have a feeling the Romney takedown of Trump will fail miserably...may even help Trump. Romney is looking like a typical establishment hypocrite today doing this after he was so glowing over Trump in 2012 after he seeked out and received Trump's endorsement. Very disappointed in Mitt today. If Trump supporters cared what the establishment thinks, the Trump phenomenon wouldn't have ever happened in the first place.

    Agree completely. What some prefer to call breakup might also be called make-over or reestablishment. Probably depends on their wishes.

    What is also interesting is that some who are amazed, and likely joyous at the turmoil, are so silent at the other party front-runner not only known to be dishonest, but also on the likely road to a criminal indictment. Isn't that amazing too, or do some prefer to sit in their cocoons and relinquish any standards of integrity?
  • tj85016

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    Mar 03, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
    lol, Romney, who cares
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    Mar 03, 2016 4:47 PM GMT
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    What I find curious is that for a while it looked like the Green Party could damage the Democrats but that never materialized. Maybe they helped pull some Dems out into the field of the independents but that's about it. And even those who left for independent likely still lean socially liberal in any case.

    My personal feeling is that over the past few years the left had been pulled so far over to the right, maybe even stepping over center, that a tug back to the left didn't hurt them. Bernie doesn't hurt them. That's just the rubber band, intact, pulling back.

    But the right never went left towards center and instead went so far over to far right in their fervor to pull the Democrats to their side of center that they've lost both balance and elasticity. They've set themselves up to either snap if they hold on, or fall if they let go.

    Trumpet's is playing to that.

    "...ever since there's been armies. In the bible it talks about great trumpet players at the head of a large army..."
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 03, 2016 4:54 PM GMT
    Trump's wink and nod to the KKK makes me sick to my stomach. It's really scary that people are supporting that racist hate monger in droves. The GOP has long flirted with bigotry. Gay men know that better than anyone, but Trump supporters are Nazis. They must be stopped, before people get hurt and the country is ruined.
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    Mar 03, 2016 8:46 PM GMT
    Romney on Trump:
    •Prone to misogyny, greed and "third-grade theatrics"
    •"Very, very not smart" on foreign policy with a "reckless" Isil policy
    •Track record of failure in business, and policies that would "sink America into recession"
    •"Dishonest" and "dangerous"
    •A con man who is "playing the American public for suckers"

    Trump on Romney:
    •"Choke artist" who let Republicans down in 2012
    •"Would have dropped to his knees" for Trump endorsement
    •"Chickened out" from running in 2016 because Mr Trump was running
    •A failure who does not have what it takes to become president
    •He gave a "very nasty" but "irrelevant" speech

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  • HottJoe

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    Mar 03, 2016 10:13 PM GMT
    That started off well, but Romney's partisan attacks on Hillary Clinton really stunk up his speech. Although I think Clinton is not the best candidate, and that she is deeply marred in scandal and shady dealings, Romney undermined his message about our country's history of having politicians that have a higher caliber than Trump, by reminding us that he's also a mudslinger, attacking someone when she's not there to defend herself. This speech was not supposed to be a partisan attack on democrats.

    Romney could've made this a moment where we all stepped back and reconsidered him as a serous contender, but instead he reminds us of why he doesn't have the "temperament" (I counted at least 3 instances when he used that word) to be president.
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    Mar 03, 2016 10:17 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThis speech was not supposed to be a partisan attack on democrats.

    Oh please. Politics is always partisan.
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    Mar 03, 2016 10:19 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidRomney on Trump:
    •Prone to misogyny, greed and "third-grade theatrics"
    •"Very, very not smart" on foreign policy with a "reckless" Isil policy
    •Track record of failure in business, and policies that would "sink America into recession"
    •"Dishonest" and "dangerous"
    •A con man who is "playing the American public for suckers"

    Trump on Romney:
    •"Choke artist" who let Republicans down in 2012
    •"Would have dropped to his knees" for Trump endorsement
    •"Chickened out" from running in 2016 because Mr Trump was running
    •A failure who does not have what it takes to become president
    •He gave a "very nasty" but "irrelevant" speech

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  • HottJoe

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    Mar 03, 2016 10:20 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    HottJoe saidThis speech was not supposed to be a partisan attack on democrats.

    Oh please. Politics is always partisan.

    Which is why Mittens doesn't get that he's just adding to Trump's support. The so-called establishment is what is being rejected, and Mittens just went all-out establishment in the end. He needed to rise above it to accomplish his goals.

    These hacks are truly lost.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 03, 2016 10:28 PM GMT
    Trump's response was just too easy, because Romney made it too easy for him. If all that mattered was which one of them would do better against Clinton, then the obvious answer is that Trump would do better.

    This election is getting so painful to watch...

    I really hope Sanders is somehow able to stay on the map, or run as a third party candidate. He's the only person who is for the people. Period.
  • KissTheSky

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    Mar 04, 2016 12:25 AM GMT
    GOP going through a total meltdown. The party of bigotry is self-destructing, and I could not be happier.
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    Mar 04, 2016 12:55 AM GMT
    This is all going very predictably. The Republican elites are freaked out that the rebellious peons are flocking to Trump, which well might damage the Republican "brand" up and down the voter list in November. The elites in charge want a standard bearer chosen by them. Their preferred candidates, Bush and Rubio (Plan "B") tripped and panic is setting in. Plan "C" is to have someone like Romney attempt a reverse coup on the Convention floor. I bet big bucks are being spent right now polling people to gauge the impact of Romney's speech to see if his criticisms will stick and if he looks "statesman" -ish enough to become a dark horse candidate amenable to the Anyone But Trump delegates at the Convention.

    The effort will fail. A significant chunk of Republicans are no longer listening to arguments. They are angry and itching to punish the Elites for a whole variety of reasons.

  • HottJoe

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    Mar 04, 2016 2:16 AM GMT
    Plan A: Clinton V Trump

    Plan B: Romney V. Clinton

    Plan C: Clinton is indicted, finally! Sanders V Trump icon_smile.gif

    ....

    Plan Z: Joe Biden is the next POTUS.icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 04, 2016 3:44 AM GMT
    This was done to placate the donors, who are upset because they'll have zero influence in a Trump administration.
  • Apparition

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    Mar 04, 2016 4:41 AM GMT
    dems always have "president oprah" as a threat.
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    Mar 04, 2016 5:13 AM GMT
    LOL, a corporate raider is criticizing someone for unethical business practices? LOL!
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    Mar 04, 2016 6:02 AM GMT
    YVRguy saidThis is all going very predictably. The Republican elites are freaked out that the rebellious peons are flocking to Trump, which well might damage the Republican "brand" up and down the voter list in November. The elites in charge want a standard bearer chosen by them. Their preferred candidates, Bush and Rubio (Plan "B") tripped and panic is setting in. Plan "C" is to have someone like Romney attempt a reverse coup on the Convention floor. I bet big bucks are being spent right now polling people to gauge the impact of Romney's speech to see if his criticisms will stick and if he looks "statesman" -ish enough to become a dark horse candidate amenable to the Anyone But Trump delegates at the Convention.

    The effort will fail. A significant chunk of Republicans are no longer listening to arguments. They are angry and itching to punish the Elites for a whole variety of reasons.

    Exactly right..
    Dazed And Confused, The Republican Establishment Has Had It Coming
    The revolt of the working class is dismissed as a movement of political philistines. The left calls them rednecks; the right calls them “low-information voters.” But that speaks volumes about the incompetence of pollsters, pols and campaign pros in both parties — the parties that profess to stand for and behind these voters — and how oblivious they are to what’s really desired.
    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dazed-and-confused-the-republican-establishment-has-had-it-coming/
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    Mar 04, 2016 6:25 AM GMT
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    Mar 04, 2016 6:43 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidTrump's wink and nod to the KKK makes me sick to my stomach. It's really scary that people are supporting that racist hate monger in droves. The GOP has long flirted with bigotry. Gay men know that better than anyone, but Trump supporters are Nazis. They must be stopped, before people get hurt and the country is ruined.



    do you actually have any substance or just name calling and lies ?
    You are the definition of regressive left
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    Mar 04, 2016 7:04 AM GMT

    This party is a permanent SNL skit, you cant write a better script icon_lol.gif