Muslim nations criticize Iran, accuse it of supporting terrorism

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 04, 2016 2:29 PM GMT
    Hizbullah is the terrorist organizations that murdered more Americans than any other prior to Al Qaida on 9/11.

    Gulf Nations Declare Lebanon's Hezbollah a Terrorist Group
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/gulf-nations-declare-lebanons-hezbollah-terrorist-group-37332515

    || A Saudi-led bloc of six Gulf Arab nations formally branded Hezbollah a terrorist organization on Wednesday, ramping up the pressure on the Lebanese militant group fighting on the side of President Bashar Assad in Syria.

    || The move by the Gulf Cooperation Council comes less than two weeks after Saudi Arabia announced it was cutting $4 billion in aid to Lebanese security forces. The kingdom and other Gulf states followed up that move by urging their citizens to leave Lebanon, dealing a blow to the tiny nation's tourism industry.

    || A statement from GCC Secretary-General Abdullatif al-Zayani said the bloc decided to implement the terrorist designation because of hostile acts by Hezbollah within its member states. It said the designation applies to the militant group as well as all its leaders, factions and affiliates.

    || Al-Zayani accused Hezbollah of charges including seeking to recruit members within the GCC to carry out terrorist acts, smuggling weapons and explosives, and incitement to sow disorder and violence.

    || Those activities within GCC member states and in Syria, Yemen and Iraq "are incompatible with the values and moral and humanitarian principles and international law, and pose a threat to Arab national security," he said. The GCC includes Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman.

    || Lebanon's main political divide pits a Sunni-led coalition against another led by the Shiite Hezbollah movement, which includes both political and military wings. The Mediterranean country has weathered a string of militant attacks in recent years linked to the war in neighboring Syria.

    || There was no immediate comment from Hezbollah on Wednesday.

    || Former Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri, a key ally of Saudi Arabia, called the GCC decision a result of Hezbollah's actions around the region. "What Hezbollah is doing in Syria and Yemen is for me criminal, illegitimate and terrorist," he said.

    || Hariri spoke in Beirut following a parliament session to elect a president* for Lebanon. The attempt failed just like the previous 35 attempts over a lack of quorum. The post has been vacant for nearly two years.

    || The GCC's designation against Hezbollah brings it in line with the United States, which is closely allied with the Gulf states and has long considered Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization. The European Union only lists the military wing of Hezbollah on its terrorist blacklist.

    || Wednesday's move against the group reflects deeper regional divisions between Sunni-ruled Saudi Arabia and Shiite powerhouse Iran, Hezbollah's patron. Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic relations with Iran earlier this year after protesters angry over the kingdom's execution of influential Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr set fire to the Saudi Embassy and another diplomatic mission inside Iran.

    || Saudi Arabia in 2014 designated a Saudi affiliate of Hezbollah a terrorist group along with the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaida, Yemen's Shiite Houthis and other groups. The Emirates previously labeled regional Hezbollah affiliates with similar designations.

    || The GCC announcement came a few hours after a televised speech by Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah in which he harshly criticized Saudi Arabia for punitive measures that targeted Lebanon recently, including the halt in aid and Gulf travel warnings.

    || He repeated his accusations that Saudi Arabia was directly responsible for some car bombings in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq, and he denounced Saudi "massacres" in Yemen.

    || "Who gives Saudi Arabia the right to punish Lebanon and its army and Lebanese people living in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf just because Hezbollah is speaking out? We urge Riyadh to settle accounts with Hezbollah and not all the Lebanese," he said.

    || He also accused Saudi Arabia of seeking to cause strife between Sunnis and Shiites everywhere in the world and said its execution of al-Nimr in January came in that context.

    * The Ottoman Empire carved out Lebanon from what became Syria in the late 19th century, following massacres of tens of thousands of Christians. The constitutional division of power stipulates the Prime Minister is to be Muslim and the President a Christian.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 05, 2016 2:48 PM GMT
    Oh, dear. After explaining that he's avoiding (I mean, "boycotting") the peace thread because my threads are irrelevant and no one reads them, the AyaTrolLiar posts in this thread?

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210


    Whatever the Saudis are, doesn't change what his Hizbullah heroes are: terrorists.
    As are their Hamas clients/allies.

  • Apparition

    Posts: 3529

    Mar 05, 2016 2:57 PM GMT
    Come, you are both right. Lol

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 07, 2016 2:49 AM GMT
    Thanks for your comment. I know you meant that I'm right to condemn Hizbullah and the AyaTrolLiar is right to condemn Saudi Arabia.

    However, I have no love for the Saudi oligarchy and don't defend their crimes.
    AyaTrolLiar pouncer "embraces" Hizbullah and Hamas and seeks to rationalize/justify their crimes.
    In fact, he believes they have a "right" to commit those crimes.

    I'm at the Israeli center and (unlike Hizbullah & Hamas) support peace and coexistence.

    Less than 20% of Gazans support the violent Hamas coup there.
    Meaning pouncer (who supports it) would be an extremist in Gaza.

    Check out this thread (and listen especially to the silence):

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    Apparition saidCome, you are both right. Lol
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 07, 2016 3:36 AM GMT
    Why do trolls refuse to address something in one thread only to raise it in another?
    Let's review what I said:

    || While there is much to lament, at least it holds trials and treats bodies with respect.
    || Unlike ISIS and Hamas, with their vigilante executions, leaving bodies out to rot.

    Which confirms I have not defended Saudi Arabia.
    To the contrary, while I said they were bad, I pointed out that Hamas, like Hizbullah and ISIS, is WORSE.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 07, 2016 6:10 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar pouncer will prattle on (off-topic, of course), but he can't change what I DID say:

    || While there is much to lament, at least [Saudi Arabia] holds trials and treats bodies with respect.
    || Unlike ISIS and Hamas, with their vigilante executions, leaving bodies out to rot.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 08, 2016 3:55 AM GMT
    Flunkies will be flunkies - as they spin only themselves dizzy:

    Thread: Gulf Nations Declare Lebanon's Hezbollah a Terrorist Group

    pouncer saidSaudi executes 70th convict this year

    How does this compare to Ḥamās?

    As we know, trolls can never discuss a topic in its thread.
    They always wish to discuss something else.

    In a thread about A, they divert with B.
    In a thread about B, they throw sand about C.
    In a thread about C, they raise A.
    It's just a pathological merry-go-round of lies.

    Never mind the underlying idiocy.
    Saudi Arabia is about 20x as populous as Gaza.

    Gaza: Halt Executions
    25 Alleged Collaborators Summarily Executed in 72 Hours

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/25/gaza-halt-executions

    Can you imagine the outcry if Saudi Arabia Summarily [with no trial] executed 500 people in 72 hours?

    Now contemplate:

    1. Why is it that something very close to 100% of threads spawned by the AyaTrolLiar pouncer on RJ, over half-a-dozen years, have been critical of Israel and none have taken Saudi Arabia to task for executions?

    2. Why is it that following those executions in 72 hours AyaTrolLiar pouncer not only didn't condemn that (the equivalent of 500 executions in Saudi Arabia), but was working overtime to defend his Hamas heroes?

    Just as he does now in this thread!

    Hamas Commander, Accused of Gay Sex, Is Killed by His Own
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4188753
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 08, 2016 5:06 AM GMT
    Once again the petty one proves me correct.

    He pretends to care about 70 executions in Saudi Arabia so far this year, but couldn't care less about 25 executions by Hamas in 72 hours - the per capita equivalent of Saudi Arabia executing 500 people.

    AyaTrolLiar pouncer saidOne need not agree with or even like a group to realise what it is fighting against is worse.

    Free Palestine.

    Such is his hateful perversion that he couldn't care less if Hamas directly or indirectly kills all the Palestinian Arabs because they are fighting against Jews/Israel which are infinitely "worse".

    That sounds like his usual reversal of the scientific method. That's not the conclusion (looking at the facts no sane person could agree) but the premise/model, thus the "facts" have to be constantly twisted to fit.

    He hates Jews/Israel more than he cares for Gazans and thus he embraces not just Hamas, but also monsters like Hizbullah (hint: look at the thread title).
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 08, 2016 5:53 AM GMT
    Once again showing us that a mind is a terrible thing not to have. AyaTrolLiar pouncer's lack of math/logic/thinking skills suggests a madrassah (religious) upbringing/education. The number of criminals in a society is a function of, proportional to, the size of the population. Casualties in a war zone are not. But this is his usual endless idiotic drift to try to get to his talking points (by which he thinks he scores points rather than flails and fails. It's part of what makes him so special).

    AyaTrolLiar pouncer said
    mwolverine saidCan you imagine the outcry if Saudi Arabia Summarily [with no trial] executed 500 people in 72 hours?

    Sure. Saudi Arabia executed almost twice as many people earlier this year in just 24 hours. (I suppose if Saudi Arabia were to massacre as many Saudis per capita as Israel has Gazans since 2009, we would have about 73,000 deaths, right?)

    Almost twice as many as 500 is 1,000. Yet he just told us the total number executed this year was 70....
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 08, 2016 3:42 PM GMT
    Now back to this thread.

    Why no "convoys" or "flotillas" to Madaya, under Hizbullah siege (not blockade) for months?

    Starvation in Syria 'a war crime,' U.N. chief says
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/15/middleeast/syria-madaya-starvation
    15 January 2016

    || (CNN) Ali was 16 years old and badly malnourished.

    || Workers for UNICEF, the United Nations Children's Fund, met him in a makeshift hospital in the Syrian city of Madaya. The city is controlled by rebels and under siege by forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad.

    || Its people are starving.

    || The UNICEF team screened the children they found in the hospital. They found 22 children under the age of 5 suffering from malnutrition, according to a statement Friday from Hanaa Singer, the organization's representative in Syria. They also found six children between the ages of 6 and 18 suffering from severe malnutrition.

    || One of whom was Ali. And, in front of their eyes, Ali died.

    || "The people we met in Madaya were exhausted and extremely frail," Singer said. "Doctors were emotionally distressed and mentally drained, working 'round the clock with very limited resources to provide treatment to children and people in need. It is simply unacceptable that this is happening in the 21st century."

    || The starvation here is no act of God -- not the result of drought or flooding or crop failure.

    || This famine is man-made. And it is drawing international condemnation. The use of starvation as a weapon in Syria is "a war crime," U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Thursday.

    || "U.N. teams have witnessed scenes that haunt the soul," Ban said. "The elderly and children, men and women, who were little more than skin and bones: gaunt, severely malnourished, so weak they could barely walk, and utterly desperate for the slightest morsel."

    || "Let me be clear: The use of starvation as a weapon of war is a war crime," he said. "All sides -- including the Syrian government, which has the primary responsibility to protect Syrians -- are committing this and other atrocious acts prohibited under international humanitarian law."

    || Madaya's 40,000 residents have been living under siege by Syrian government forces and allied militias [Hizbullah] for months, according to U.N. officials. Before an earlier convoy of aid arrived Monday, bringing many starving residents to tears, Madaya had received no foreign aid since October.

    || Food that is available is sold at "exorbitant" prices, she said. For example, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of rice costs $200.

    || "Civilians who have tried to escape or find food have been killed or injured by anti-personnel mines and sniper fire by pro-regime forces," Sison said at the Security Council meeting.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 09, 2016 4:56 AM GMT
    Once again showing us that a mind is a terrible thing not to have. AyaTrolLiar pouncer's lack of math/logic/thinking skills suggests a madrassah (religious) upbringing/education. The number of criminals in a society is a function of, proportional to, the size of the country's population. Casualties in a war zone are not. But this is his usual endless idiotic drift to try to get to his talking points (by which he thinks he scores points rather than flails and fails. It's part of what makes him so special).

    AyaTrolLiar pouncer said
    mwolverine saidCan you imagine the outcry if Saudi Arabia Summarily [with no trial] executed 500 people in 72 hours?

    Sure. Saudi Arabia executed almost twice as many people earlier this year in just 24 hours. (I suppose if Saudi Arabia were to massacre as many Saudis per capita as Israel has Gazans since 2009, we would have about 73,000 deaths, right?)

    Almost twice as many as 500 is 1,000. Yet he just told us the total number executed this year was 70....

    ATLP> [don't] compare a family dictatorship that beheads its SUBJECTS for the crime of blasphemy to a militant group that executes COLLABORATORS during a time of war

    Your "militant group" is playing "government" in Gaza and is murdering its own subjects on the street.

    Thanks for confirming not only that you failed math class, but that you support these vigilante murders by Hamas.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 09, 2016 5:15 AM GMT
    Similarly he refuses to condemn his Hizbullah heroes by saying others are worse.

    ATLP> there is always a "worse" atrocity), why not forget Madayah

    And again:

    ATLP> there is plenty of food, gas and medical supplies in Madayah
    ... the besiegers are at least not the type to prevent entry of ALL humanitarian aid (see the UN deal in January)

    Reality:

    Madaya: 'Another 16 starve to death' in besieged Syrian town
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35449107
    30 January 2016

    || October 2015: UN delivers one month's supply of food rations for 20,000 people in Madaya.

    Yet there are perhaps double that number trapped, and it was 3 months before the next resupply of ANY humanitarian aid (meaning ALL was barred for 3 months).

    The U.N. Knew for Months That Madaya Was Starving
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/15/u-n-knew-for-months-madaya-was-starving-syria-assad

    || Madaya was the worst off of all the besieged towns in Syria, relief workers say.

    || Madaya is different from Fuaa and Kefraya. In Madaya, food prices have hit astronomical levels with rice costing a staggering $256 per kilogram, according to information collected by the Syrian American Medical Society. The siege in the two Idlib towns apparently was a lot looser: In Fuaa and Kefraya, rice cost $1.25 per kilogram prior to this week’s deliveries, while tomatoes cost under a dollar, and potatoes about 50 cents each, according to residents there who were in direct communication with besieged residents in Zabadani. Unlike Madaya, where the siege was enforced by snipers and landmines, some goods could apparently still reach the two Idlib villages.

    || No fruits or vegetables, by contrast, were available in Madaya, where residents have been reduced to subsisting on soup made of boiled grass and at most a fraction of a cup of rice daily.

    Let's get another glimpse at founcer's false flailing fiction:

    ATLP> Luckily for them, the besiegers are at least not the type to prevent entry of ALL humanitarian aid (see the UN deal in January), unlike the Gulf type, who operate no humanitarian corridors whatsoever

    He got it, again, exactly wrong.

    As will happen when one inverts the scientific method and invents "facts" to suit his desired "model", in reality just his biased, preconceived, false notions.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 10, 2016 4:48 AM GMT
    As noted elsewhere, founcer isn't someone who just makes "mistakes" (as he called them), it's someone who doesn't know how to think.

    This is the guy who claimed that 350,000 → 600,000 was 42% growth while 600,000 → 1,300,000 was 54% growth.
    (And always the class clown, his very next sentence was: "No need for a math major....")

    Reminds me of someone here who believed (can't say "thought") that 14 out of 100 is less than 9%.

    Four posts up, he was tripped by thinking that whereas crime in a country is proportional to its population, deaths in a warzone are not. (And other confusions.)

    Reason, like reality, is a foreign language to him and he tries to muddle through, constantly making "mistakes".

    Thus it is not surprising that AyaTrolLiar founcer provides no sources to support his mythologies.

    ATLF> the besiegers are at least not the type to prevent entry of ALL humanitarian aid (see the UN deal in January), unlike the Gulf type, who operate no humanitarian corridors whatsoever

    ATLF> In the Shia villages, not only was the siege much longer, but more civilians died of starvation

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo-idUSKCN0VC1VQ

    || Syria's state-run news channel Al-Ikhbariyah quoted Nubul mayor Ali Balawi as saying the siege by mainly Islamist rebels was "cruel and caused much hardship", with severe shortages of humanitarian goods. The only route that brought some food and essential goods came from Afrin to the north of the town.

    There was a humanitarian corridor.
    No mention of "starvation".


    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/15/u-n-knew-for-months-madaya-was-starving-syria-assad

    || Madaya was the worst off of all the besieged towns in Syria, relief workers say.

    || No fruits or vegetables, by contrast, were available in Madaya, where residents have been reduced to subsisting on soup made of boiled grass and at most a fraction of a cup of rice daily.


    ATLF> the "terrorist" groups on the other side see negotiation as a sign of weakness, and perpetrate far more gruelling sieges on defenceless villages

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35485563

    || State TV said troops and allied militiamen, backed by Russian air strikes, had reached Nubul and Zahraa. ...The offensive threatens to derail UN efforts to start peace talks in Geneva.

    || A UN spokeswoman told Reuters news agency that the offensive had uprooted hundreds of families in the towns of Bayanoun, Hariyatan, Anadan, Hayan and Rityan, and left three humanitarian aid workers dead.

    || there had been more than 320 Russian air strikes in the Aleppo area since Monday morning, and that at least 18 civilians were killed on Tuesday alone.

    This article also makes no mention of "starvation" in these towns.


    He ignores that his Hizbullah heroes, for 3 months (from Oct to Jan) allowed ZERO supplies, this after in October only 1 month supply for half the population was allowed in.


    He doesn't seem to understand that black market pricing is a function of scarcity and that the cost of rice in Madaya (where we have documentation of dozens of people dying from starvation) was 200x higher than in other besieged areas, with no fruits or vegetables available at all.


    He ignores that the siege of Madaya, unlike other places, was enforced with landmines and snipers.
    (See the foreignpolicy.com link above.)
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 11, 2016 3:53 AM GMT
    As noted elsewhere, founcer isn't someone who just makes "mistakes" (as he called them), it's someone who doesn't know how to think.

    This is the guy who claimed that 350,000 → 600,000 was 42% growth while 600,000 → 1,300,000 was 54% growth.
    (And always the class clown, his very next sentence was: "No need for a math major....")

    Reminds me of someone here who believed (can't say "thought") that 14 out of 100 is less than 9%.

    Earlier in this thread, he was tripped by "thinking" that because I pointed out crime in a country is proportional to its population, so also must be deaths in a warzone. (And other confusions.)

    Reason, like reality, is a foreign language to him and he tries to muddle through, constantly making "mistakes".

    Thus it is not surprising that AyaTrolLiar founcer provides no sources to support his mythologies.
    Evidently he has learned a lot from the links I have provided. That's progress, even if he's too petty to admit it.

    Shame, though, that he twists that information rather than present it honestly.
    Let me guess, that's also just another "mistake"?!


    ATLF> the besiegers are at least not the type to prevent entry of ALL humanitarian aid (see the UN deal in January), unlike the Gulf type, who operate no humanitarian corridors whatsoever

    ATLF> In the Shia villages, not only was the siege much longer, but more civilians died of starvation

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo-idUSKCN0VC1VQ

    || Syria's state-run news channel Al-Ikhbariyah quoted Nubul mayor Ali Balawi as saying the siege by mainly Islamist rebels was "cruel and caused much hardship", with severe shortages of humanitarian goods. The only route that brought some food and essential goods came from Afrin to the north of the town.

    There was a humanitarian corridor.

    ATLF> Afrin is the Kurdish enclave. That the PYD managed to sneak in aid unbeknownst to the takfiri terrorists, much like an aid convoy slipping into Gaza through Egypt, does not equal a "humanitarian corridor".

    That the aid came from the Kurds is irrelevant. But to posit that this route remained "unbeknownst" to the forces laying siege - 3.5 years! - is the usual false founcer invention of "data" to suit his preconceived notions.


    ATLF> "1,000 “martyrs”, at least half of them civilians, and the 100 children who died of shellfire and starvation"

    How many by shellfire and how many by starvation (not mentioned in other articles)?
    founcer doesn't know, but threw that out there cause it's the best he could do.

    But look what else he reveals: Half the "martyrs" were NOT "civilians"? Thus exposing his own prior lie:

    ATLF Lie> defenceless villages (not because they harbour "terrorists" but because their religion marks them for death).

    Oops. "Mistake"? Or invented "fact" to suit his preconceived notions?
    More founcer foolishness follows:

    ATLF> Over a thousand died in Madaya?

    He's comparing deaths over 3.5 years and a few months?!

    While we know that half the casualties in the Shia villages were fighters (i.e. there was fighting), how many fighters were killed in Madaya? Or were all the deaths from starvation?!


    ATLF> Again, we see that some lives matter more than others (I wonder why that could be?)

    Yup. For founcer, the only lives that "matter" are those he can use in his propaganda war against Jews/Israel.

    Consider that for years he not only ignored the Syria conflict, but claimed that the one thread I posted about it was just a diversion from the dozens of anti-Israel threads he and others posted.

    To this racist monster, only a few thousand lives in Gaza mattered. If Jews/Israelis were murdered, they had it coming - their lives didn't matter. Nor did the 250,000 killed in Syria. Yup, no "convoys" or "flotillas" for them, just for Gaza.


    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/15/u-n-knew-for-months-madaya-was-starving-syria-assad

    || Madaya was the worst off of all the besieged towns in Syria, relief workers say.

    || No fruits or vegetables, by contrast, were available in Madaya, where residents have been reduced to subsisting on soup made of boiled grass and at most a fraction of a cup of rice daily.

    ATLF> [crawls back under his rock]


    ATLF> the "terrorist" groups on the other side see negotiation as a sign of weakness, and perpetrate far more gruelling sieges on defenceless villages

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35485563

    || State TV said troops and allied militiamen, backed by Russian air strikes, had reached Nubul and Zahraa. ...The offensive threatens to derail UN efforts to start peace talks in Geneva.

    The above he misattributes to me rather than the BBC report to accuse that I'm "lying". Another "mistake"?!

    ATLF> Syrian and Russian efforts to save the besieged villagers threatens to "derail" the UN peace talks...?

    When a side starts an offensive just as peace talks are to begin, that's not supportive of peace talks.
    Recall that he (as is typical, inventing a "fact" to suit his biased preconceived notions) accused the other side of avoiding peace talks. His usual reversal and perversion of reality.


    || A UN spokeswoman told Reuters news agency that the offensive had uprooted hundreds of families in the towns of Bayanoun, Hariyatan, Anadan, Hayan and Rityan, and left three humanitarian aid workers dead.

    || there had been more than 320 Russian air strikes in the Aleppo area since Monday morning, and that at least 18 civilians were killed on Tuesday alone.

    ATLF> [silence, those lives don't matter to him.]


    This article also makes no mention of "starvation" in the Shia towns.

    ATLF> [stays under his rock]


    He ignores that his Hizbullah heroes, for 3 months (from Oct to Jan) allowed ZERO supplies, this after in October only 1 month supply for half the population was allowed in.

    ATLF> [hibernating under that rock]


    He doesn't seem to understand that black market pricing is a function of scarcity and that the cost of rice in Madaya (where we have documentation of dozens of people dying from starvation) was 200x higher than in other besieged areas, with no fruits or vegetables available at all.

    ATLF> You mean like in Gaza? Or in the Shia villages where the food from the PYD was so expensive the poor could not afford to eat?

    The pathetically and pathologically dishonest troll left out the part in red, which renders his response meaningless (other than, of course, his attempt to divert with Gaza - where there is no black market for rice, fruits or vegetables, only for luxury goods).


    He ignores that the siege of Madaya, unlike other places [IN SYRIA, if I have to spell it out for him], was enforced with landmines and snipers.
    (See the foreignpolicy.com link above.)

    ATLF> ...Gaza...

    ROTFL. We're discussing SYRIA.
    Syrian lives simply don't matter?
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 11, 2016 4:43 AM GMT
    Tell us how many people starved and over what period of time.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 11, 2016 7:11 AM GMT
    ATLF> You might also want to ponder the impact of such a devastating siege on 45,000 people, as opposed to a few hundred thousand in Madaya

    Given the flunky can't calculate population growth rates (and similar comical errors), it's plausible that he thinks that 45,000 is > than "a few hundred thousand"


    Feel free to provide a link to Fisk's article.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 11, 2016 7:31 AM GMT
    With idiots like you it's hard to tell if it's a typo or just another "mistake".

    ATLF> I have quoted from Fisk's article already, so it is available to anyone who wants to read it.

    You haven't provided a link.

    AyaTrolLiar founcer pretends to have sources, but often - like so much else in his life - just pretends they are his sources, limited to quoting, for example, a half-sentence that appears in Wikipedia but not actually having access to his alleged primary source.

    He's flunky university.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 11, 2016 7:39 AM GMT
    Why do you, routinely, not provide your sources?
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 11, 2016 9:25 AM GMT
    Yes, but why doesn't he cite his sources when he initially quotes them?

    Oh, because then one might see that his own source contradicts his claim!

    For example, while AyaTrolLiar pouncer pretends there were no fighters in the villages, Fisk writes that half the casualties were civilians. Who were the other half?

    There is also a paucity of sources and evidence. We have a nebulous claim that someone told Fisk there were more than 50 people who died of starvation. Over what period? 3.5 years? Was this confirmed by any humanitarian organization?

    Unlike in Madaya, where dozens died in a few months, with concrete numbers and confirmation from numerous organizations.

  • mwolverine

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    Mar 11, 2016 4:31 PM GMT
    There is a legal blockade of Gaza, with hundreds of trucks bringing in food and medicine daily. There is no starvation in Gaza. There is no black market of rice, potatoes or fruits and vegetables (which provide nutrients). Gaza has a problem with OBESITY.

    As usual, AyaTrolLiar founcer prefers to focus on Israel. He can't get his hate of Israel/Jews out of his mind even for 2 minutes.

    fruit+stand+in+gaza.jpg

    land%20crossings.jpg
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 11, 2016 4:35 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer can't explain why he doesn't openly present sources, nor can he stop is pathological lies:

    While AyaTrolLiar pouncer pretends there were no fighters in the villages, Fisk - his source! - writes that half the casualties were civilians. Who were the other half?

    || 1,000 “martyrs”, at least half of them civilians

    ATLF> civilians who took up arms to defend their village

    Then they would be "civilians". But Fisk - your source - tells us they were not.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 11, 2016 4:56 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer can't explain why he doesn't openly present sources, nor can he stop is pathological lies:

    There is a legal blockade of Gaza, with hundreds of trucks bringing in food and medicine daily. There is no starvation in Gaza. There is no black market of rice, potatoes or fruits and vegetables (which provide nutrients). Gaza has a problem with OBESITY.

    As usual, AyaTrolLiar founcer prefers to focus on Israel. He can't get his hate of Israel/Jews out of his mind even for 2 minutes.


    ATLF> [can't stop, it's pathological with him - and he'll prove me right again, below]

    Because one thread about Syria is too much. It took pages to get him to talk about Syria rather than Saudi Arabia. And now he wants to divert with Gaza? Because the 2,000 who have died in Gaza since the start of the conflict in Syria matter so much more to him than the 250,000 who have died in the same time period in Syria.


    He ignores that the siege of Madaya, unlike other places in Syria, was enforced with landmines and snipers.

    ATLF> [blah blah blah Gaza blah blah blah]


    || Syria's state-run news channel Al-Ikhbariyah quoted Nubul mayor Ali Balawi as saying the siege by mainly Islamist rebels was "cruel and caused much hardship", with severe shortages of humanitarian goods. The only route that brought some food and essential goods came from Afrin to the north of the town.

    There was a humanitarian corridor, contrary to his lie, confirmed by his source Fisk.

    That the aid came from the Kurds is irrelevant. But to posit that this route remained "unbeknownst" to the forces laying siege - for 3.5 years! - is the usual false founcer invention of "data" to suit his preconceived notions.


    || Madaya was the worst off of all the besieged towns in Syria, relief workers say.

    || No fruits or vegetables, by contrast, were available in Madaya, where residents have been reduced to subsisting on soup made of boiled grass and at most a fraction of a cup of rice daily


    He ignores that his Hizbullah heroes, for 3 months (from Oct to Jan) allowed ZERO supplies, this after in October only 1 month supply for half the population was allowed in.

    ATLF> [hibernating under that rock]


    He doesn't seem to understand that black market pricing is a function of scarcity and that the cost of rice in Madaya (where we have documentation of dozens of people dying from starvation) was 200x higher than in other besieged areas, with no fruits or vegetables available at all.

    ATLF> You mean like in Gaza? Or in the Shia villages where the food from the PYD was so expensive the poor could not afford to eat?

    The pathetically and pathologically dishonest troll left out the part in red, which renders his response meaningless (other than, of course, his attempt to divert with Gaza - where there is no black market for rice, fruits or vegetables, only for luxury goods).


    || State TV said troops and allied militiamen, backed by Russian air strikes, had reached Nubul and Zahraa. ...The offensive threatens to derail UN efforts to start peace talks in Geneva.

    The above he misattributes to me rather than the BBC report to accuse that I'm "lying". Another "mistake"?!

    ATLF> Syrian and Russian efforts to save the besieged villagers threatens to "derail" the UN peace talks...?

    When a side starts an offensive just as peace talks are to begin, that's not supportive of peace talks.
    Recall that he (as is typical, inventing a "fact" to suit his biased preconceived notions) accused the other side of avoiding peace talks. His usual reversal and perversion of reality.


    || A UN spokeswoman told Reuters news agency that the offensive had uprooted hundreds of families in the towns of Bayanoun, Hariyatan, Anadan, Hayan and Rityan, and left three humanitarian aid workers dead.

    || there had been more than 320 Russian air strikes in the Aleppo area since Monday morning, and that at least 18 civilians were killed on Tuesday alone.

    ATLF> [silence, those lives don't matter to him.]


    He's comparing deaths - from fighting! - over 3.5 years with deaths - from starvation! - in a few months?!

    Yup. That's AyaTrolLiar founcer for you. As Sharkspeare said long ago, "an all around sh*tty excuse for a human being".


    Reason, like reality, is a foreign language to him and he tries to muddle through, constantly making "mistakes":

    While AyaTrolLiar pouncer pretends there were no fighters in the villages, Fisk - his source! - writes that half the casualties were civilians. Who were the other half?

    || 1,000 “martyrs”, at least half of them civilians

    ATLF> civilians who took up arms to defend their village

    Then they would be "civilians". But Fisk - your source - tells us they were not.

    AyaTrolLiar founcer obviously is missing a lot of screws, but it's hard to tell if facts are entirely meaningless to him or if he's not smart enough to read through his own sources (cherry picking only from the cherry picked):

    Fisk, his source, writes:

    || pro-regime militiamen, a force perhaps 5,000-strong who were armed with rifles, rocket launchers and a few mortars.

    And he lies and lies and lies, claiming these are "civilians who took up arms".
    They just happened to have rocket launchers in the tool shed?
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 11, 2016 5:11 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer obviously is missing a lot of screws, but it's hard to tell if facts are entirely meaningless to him or if he's not smart enough to read through his own sources (cherry picking only from the cherry picked). What in one brief moment of clarity years ago he conceded was a "warped methodology" (maybe the drugs were properly administered that day):

    ATLF> So armed jihadis come to my neighbourhood and surround my house, firing into it, starving me out, but I am not a "civilian" because I take up weapons and decide to defend myself?

    Except it is Fisk - his source, who distinguished them from being "civilians", because the above isn't what happened.

    If he believed what he was saying, he should call out Fisk's categorization. Instead he pretends I'm wrong for providing what his source wrote!

    And he lies and lies and lies, claiming these are "civilians who took up arms".
    While Fisk reported:

    || pro-regime militiamen, a force perhaps 5,000-strong who were armed with rifles, rocket launchers and a few mortars.

    How many rocket launchers do you have with you in your mum's basement?
    Did the Shia stock them in their tool or goat shed?
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 11, 2016 5:38 PM GMT
    Maybe if he'd ever been to the region he'd know that goat sheds are as common there as tool sheds are here. Of course he'll just attempt to use that comment as a diversion from his lies to his vapid accusations that I'm a racist.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3385

    Mar 11, 2016 6:05 PM GMT
    ATLF Lie> defenceless villages (not because they harbour "terrorists" but because their religion marks them for death).

    His source Fisk> 1,000 “martyrs”, at least half of them civilians

    Who were the other half?

    ATLF perpetuated lie> civilians who took up arms to defend their village

    Then they would be "civilians". But Fisk - your source - tells us they were not.

    And thus his source, Fisk, further reports, contrary to AyaTroLiar founcer's delusional reversal of the scientific method:

    || pro-regime militiamen, a force perhaps 5,000-strong who were armed with rifles, rocket launchers and a few mortars.

    ATLF> the distinction is clearly between armed civilians and unarmed civilians

    ROTFL. It's pouncer pathological. He can't stop with his lies to make "reality" fit his warped views.

    Where did civilians find AK47 assault rifles (pictured in Fisk's report), rocket launchers and mortars after they were under siege?