California Democrats Worried: Young Liberals Are Increasingly Disenchanted With Party

  • metta

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    Mar 04, 2016 6:21 PM GMT
    California Democrats Worried: Young Liberals Are Increasingly Disenchanted With Party


    http://theintellectualist.co/california-democrats-worried-young-liberals-are-increasingly-disenchanted-with-party/
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    Mar 04, 2016 7:51 PM GMT
    metta saidCalifornia Democrats Worried: Young Liberals Are Increasingly Disenchanted With Party


    http://theintellectualist.co/california-democrats-worried-young-liberals-are-increasingly-disenchanted-with-party/


    They are disenchanted with the DNC machine that produces a candidate like the criminal Hillary. This is the reason for the Bernie phenomena.



  • HottJoe

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    Mar 04, 2016 7:56 PM GMT
    Who wouldn't be worried with such a weak front runner? It's gotten to the point where people are hoping that Clinton does get indicted and is forced to end her candidacy. The progressives in the party want Sanders... but even Joe Biden would be better. At least he's not up to his neck in scandals of his own doing.

    Should Clinton win, it will be thanks to a backlash against Trump, not because she earned voters' trust.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 04, 2016 10:05 PM GMT
    Young liberals can be as stupid as young Republicans. With zero education and getting all their information from the internet, they have no idea why the deck has become so stacked against them. They see no difference in the tax and regulation policies of Republicans or Democrats. Or that Hillary is not a criminal. Or deceitful. They only know what someone said. Which is usually false or stupid. That's the whole thrust of Southbeach and increasingly Desertmuscle. Just keep repeating lies and most will assume there's some truth to them. I agree. If liberals sit on their hands and pout like they did in the midterm elections, Republicans will win.
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    Destinharbor saidYoung liberals can be as stupid as young Republicans. With zero education and getting all their information from the internet, they have no idea why the deck has become so stacked against them. They see no difference in the tax and regulation policies of Republicans or Democrats. Or that Hillary is not a criminal. Or deceitful. They only know what someone said. Which is usually false or stupid. That's the whole thrust of Southbeach and increasingly Desertmuscle. Just keep repeating lies and most will assume there's some truth to them. I agree. If liberals sit on their hands and pout like they did in the midterm elections, Republicans will win.


    yep. We seem to read that about the same. And I'm disappointed in the part that I had previously given too much benefit of the doubt on. Oh well, live and learn.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 04, 2016 11:17 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidYoung liberals can be as stupid as young Republicans. With zero education and getting all their information from the internet, they have no idea why the deck has become so stacked against them. They see no difference in the tax and regulation policies of Republicans or Democrats. Or that Hillary is not a criminal. Or deceitful. They only know what someone said. Which is usually false or stupid. That's the whole thrust of Southbeach and increasingly Desertmuscle. Just keep repeating lies and most will assume there's some truth to them. I agree. If liberals sit on their hands and pout like they did in the midterm elections, Republicans will win.

    Clinton is deceitful. When asked about her past "superpredator" comments by a BLM protester, her response was that no had ever asked that before. That is deceptive. She's been asked about those comments repeatedly. She lied directly a voter's face, and for no purpose. She just hurt herself by doing it. The problem is that everything she says is a lie. If she were to start telling the truth, she would have to say that she's running to be president because she wants to rake in the dough. That's the truth about Clinton. She flip-flops on every issue, and if you want to know why, check her donors.

    Anyone who votes for her is selling the soul of the country to Goldman Sachs.

    If you want someone who actually says what he means on behalf of voters, vote for Bernie. He's the only one.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 04, 2016 11:25 PM GMT
    Destinharbor thinks middle class people are "stupid" and that they need rich bankers to tell them who to vote for.

    And he wonders why Sanders supporters are feeling the Bern.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 04, 2016 11:26 PM GMT
    Hillary Clinton is a gangster politician. She takes bribes from foreign dictators at the expense of U.S. sovereignty!!
  • metta

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    Mar 05, 2016 5:38 AM GMT
    I don't think that some of you have seen the types of comments I have read from people saying they will leave the Democrats after the Primary. A lot of the messages are from Millenials and a lot are not. People are really angry about the Super Delegates. They realize that it has been around since the 80's but they feel that the Democratic party should be...well...Democratic. They are mad that the DNC only supports candidates that are from the establishment. That they designed the system to weed out grassroots candidates. They feel it was wrong for the leadership of the DNC to take sides within the party. They are mad that the DNC is allowing donations from lobbyists, etc. They see the Democrats talk about being against Citizens United but their actions show that they are not really willing to do anything about it.

    It is of course not just the Democrats. Both the Republicans and Democrats have been slowly losing members with an increasing number of Independents. I think this election will create a lot more of them. In California, we can choose: No Party Preference.
    2013: http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx



    Here is one of the messages to give you an idea:

    "So today was really a turning point in my life. After 15 years as a registered Democrat, I've come to the decision to leave the party.

    I've essentially been told I'm not ideologically pure enough to be a Democrat, and that because I do not support Hillary Clinton for president, I'm not a real democrat (and neither is my candidate).

    I've been jerked around and bullied by the DNC for years, to vote for candidates I didn't especially believe in or agree with, because the GOP mustn't be allowed to win. And if I don't like it, well, too bad. If I ever dare to vote for someone who isn't a democrat, I'm wasting my vote, letting the GOP win, etc etc etc. I've never felt so alienated in my life.

    I have a farewell message for my former party. Democrats: my generation is sick of your shit. We are very liberal, anti-corporate, and our numbers are huge. If you push us out of the party, we will come for you, and we will vote against you. You could have embraced us and stood for real change, but you've proven yourselves to be so entrenched in the establishment, and so corrupt that you are actively trying to destroy our voice within the party and our participation in democracy as voters. My one regret is putting up with your UTTER FAILURE for so long."


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  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 05, 2016 3:01 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe saidHillary Clinton is a gangster politician. She takes bribes from foreign dictators at the expense of U.S. sovereignty!!


    And... you WILL be voting for her come November, Joe.
    You need to stop saying that because you don't know for fact how Joe will vote in November. Now shut upicon_exclaim.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 05, 2016 3:04 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Destinharbor saidYoung liberals can be as stupid as young Republicans. With zero education and getting all their information from the internet, they have no idea why the deck has become so stacked against them. They see no difference in the tax and regulation policies of Republicans or Democrats. Or that Hillary is not a criminal. Or deceitful. They only know what someone said. Which is usually false or stupid. That's the whole thrust of Southbeach and increasingly Desertmuscle. Just keep repeating lies and most will assume there's some truth to them. I agree. If liberals sit on their hands and pout like they did in the midterm elections, Republicans will win.

    Clinton is deceitful. When asked about her past "superpredator" comments by a BLM protester, her response was that no had ever asked that before. That is deceptive. She's been asked about those comments repeatedly. She lied directly a voter's face, and for no purpose. She just hurt herself by doing it. The problem is that everything she says is a lie. If she were to start telling the truth, she would have to say that she's running to be president because she wants to rake in the dough. That's the truth about Clinton. She flip-flops on every issue, and if you want to know why, check her donors.

    Anyone who votes for her is selling the soul of the country to Goldman Sachs.

    If you want someone who actually says what he means on behalf of voters, vote for Bernie. He's the only one.
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    Mar 05, 2016 3:06 PM GMT
    ^cite your source for that quote please.

    How do you even know that wasn't written by the GOP?

    To the superdelegates, maybe that needs revising, though I'd not want the party stolen by Hitler: has it ever been that superdelegates overturned a popular vote? Or is this more noise than substance? And is that noise mostly coming from the GOP?

    Because I don't believe, and I've not been shown, that if Bernie gets the popular vote that the superdelegates won't rally behind him as well. Their initial "support" means nothing since they can at any time during the primary change their "vote".

    And part of the reasoning behind the superdelegate system was to keep a last minute pulse on the electorate, not just of the party but of the nation. If it's clear that Bernie gets the popular Democratic support and if it looks like Bernie has the better chance of winning national, then why would the party's superdelegates throw that away? They wouldn't; they'd switch their vote.

    And in a case where you've got the threat of, say, a Bloomberg breaking up Bernie support nationally, isn't that something that ought to be considered by someone if the electorate is too short sighted to see it?

    And I'm not saying that I go with that argument I just made but I think it is a reasonable consideration that I can not simply dismiss.

    I do like what Alan Grayson has done. I happen to like him generally anyway. But even that, while people say he's bucked the system, really is, in part, the system, because he's taken the pulse of the electorate, at least within the party, though superdelegates need to be looking nationwide, not just party wide. I'll put that into a separate thread in a moment as I don't see a thread on it yet.
  • metta

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    Mar 05, 2016 5:54 PM GMT
    Another example:

    "Today I was told by a Hillary Clinton supporter that Bernie Sanders is "a communist" and "a rapist". I was also told that I am not a "real" democrat, and neither is Bernie Sanders. Today was really the last straw for me. After speaking with many Hillary Clinton supporters, not only am I officially ‪#‎BernieOrBust‬ , but I will also leaving the democratic party after I vote in the primary.

    I was a democrat for 15 years, but after the experiences I've had in this election, between the DNC's overwhelming bias, Bill Clinton's shenanigans at the polls, and the absolutely reprehensible character of the Hillary supporters, I'm done."
  • metta

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    Mar 05, 2016 6:06 PM GMT
    The Democratic State parties have been scheduling voting days on Jewish religious holidays. They can't vote on those days.

    They did it in Nevada and now they are doing it in Kansas.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/elections/nevada-democratic-caucus-overlooks-sabbath-observers


    "NPR stated that 15,000 Orthodox Jews in Johnson County, a very heavily Jewish area in Kansas, are not able to caucus tomorrow due to Sabbath. The Democratic Party in KS does not allow absentee ballots to be sent in; you have to physically travel to the caucus location in order to participate. The individuals they interviewed were for Bernie, but could not attend caucus due to the Sabbath. However, the Republican Party in KS allows absentee ballots to be sent in. "
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    metta saidAnother example:

    "Today I was told by a Hillary Clinton supporter that Bernie Sanders is "a communist" and "a rapist". I was also told that I am not a "real" democrat, and neither is Bernie Sanders. Today was really the last straw for me. After speaking with many Hillary Clinton supporters, not only am I officially ‪#‎BernieOrBust‬ , but I will also leaving the democratic party after I vote in the primary.

    I was a democrat for 15 years, but after the experiences I've had in this election, between the DNC's overwhelming bias, Bill Clinton's shenanigans at the polls, and the absolutely reprehensible character of the Hillary supporters, I'm done."


    again, please cite your source.

    metta saidThe Democratic State parties have been scheduling voting days on Jewish religious holidays. They can't vote on those days.

    They did it in Nevada and now they are doing it in Kansas.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/elections/nevada-democratic-caucus-overlooks-sabbath-observers


    "NPR stated that 15,000 Orthodox Jews in Johnson County, a very heavily Jewish area in Kansas, are not able to caucus tomorrow due to Sabbath. The Democratic Party in KS does not allow absentee ballots to be sent in; you have to physically travel to the caucus location in order to participate. The individuals they interviewed were for Bernie, but could not attend caucus due to the Sabbath. However, the Republican Party in KS allows absentee ballots to be sent in. "


    I seriously doubt those numbers and just now googling:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html
    shows Kansas with 17,425 total Jewish

    I've read elsewhere that generally 11% are Orthodox so that would make 1,916 total orthodox in all of Kansas, not 15,000 in one county.

    further:

    http://www.city-data.com/county/religion/Johnson-County-KS.html
    shows
    reform 4,598
    conservatives 2,354
    orthodox 500

    500? really now. that seems a far chicken little cry from 15,000. And I presume that's including children who don't vote.

    So unless you've got some better numbers to show, that seems to back up what was my feeling on reading your post which sounds to me like more GOP nonsense.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 05, 2016 7:10 PM GMT
    metta saidAnother example:

    "Today I was told by a Hillary Clinton supporter that Bernie Sanders is "a communist" and "a rapist". I was also told that I am not a "real" democrat, and neither is Bernie Sanders. Today was really the last straw for me. After speaking with many Hillary Clinton supporters, not only am I officially ‪#‎BernieOrBust‬ , but I will also leaving the democratic party after I vote in the primary.

    I was a democrat for 15 years, but after the experiences I've had in this election, between the DNC's overwhelming bias, Bill Clinton's shenanigans at the polls, and the absolutely reprehensible character of the Hillary supporters, I'm done."
    I most likely will be joining you in severing my ties to the Democratic Party and truly become a full fledged independent. I have been a registered democrat for 29 years and I am thoroughly disgusted with the corrupt shenanigans of the DNC. I have also been pissed off at the democrats over the way they ran most of the older northern US cities into the sewer with their horrendously failed urban policies. icon_mad.gif