Republican Speaker Paul Ryan and hypocrisy

  • ChicagoSteve

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    Mar 04, 2016 10:47 PM GMT
    Republican Paul Ryan, who is currently the Speaker of the U.S. House Of Representatives, just made a speech earlier this week.(clip below).




    Ah, excuse me Mr. Ryan, you stated that anyone who aspires to be the nominee of the Republican party "must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry". He was speaking in this case about Donald Trump not disavowing the endorsement of David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. But Ryan's statement also refers to the rejection of bigotry. Republicans have not exactly been rejecting bigotry when it comes to gay marriage or gay rights in general. That is what I call hypocrisy.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 04, 2016 11:08 PM GMT
    The KKK has been supporting the GOP for decades. They court them using coded language. Drumpf is more effectively courting them, and now they're afraid of losing KKK votes.

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    Mar 06, 2016 11:30 AM GMT
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  • musclmed

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    Mar 06, 2016 2:27 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe KKK has been supporting the GOP for decades. They court them using coded language. Drumpf is more effectively courting them, and now they're afraid of losing KKK votes.



    Should we tarnish the Democratic party by people who support it?
    The roots of the KKK run deep in the Democratic party.
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    Mar 06, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
    Bigotry and racism run deep in America - no matter your political party affiliation, or lack thereof. After all, it's the abuse of racial minorities that made America great. That it is now back in the spotlight and part of the national discussion shows just how active it has been under the surface all these years.

    When reviewing a politician's history for signs of hypocrisy, the easiest is to compare your current wages and benefits to theirs. If you're old enough, begin your comparison in 1980. My guess is every politician who says they are out to help the working class of America now earns considerably more than they did in 1980, even after adjustments for inflation, while your wages and benefits have stayed flat at best, and most likely have fallen due to inflation. Hillary and Bill, Ronny and Nancy, George and Barbara, George and Laura, Barbara Boxer, Orrin Hatch, Charles Rangel,Patrick Leahy, Richard Shelby, et al.

    Is it just coincidence that our representatives and senators have salaries that put them well into the top 5% of wage earners in the US? They have to rub shoulders with those they serve, not those they've left behind.

    Raw Average Sen. or Rep. salary:
    In 1980 = $69,000
    In 2014 = $174,000

    Adjusted for inflation:
    1980 = $168,000
    2014 = $191,000

    And note, that is only their salary. This doesn't include the perks of lifetime healthcare, full retirement (after 2 or 6 years of 'work' - where work is only 100 days per year), office staff and support, security, their private gym and cafeteria, etc.

    Data from: "Salaries of Members of Congress: Recent Actions and Historical Tables on Senate.gov"
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    Mar 06, 2016 6:48 PM GMT
    Further, I can't wait for Speaker Ryan to draft the Republican Platform for Donald Trump.

    As well thanks to Ted Cruz(gimme a break) Congress will still remain contentious and pass nothing of value for the American people.

    Thanks Steve
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    Mar 06, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    HottJoe saidThe KKK has been supporting the GOP for decades. They court them using coded language. Drumpf is more effectively courting them, and now they're afraid of losing KKK votes.



    Should we tarnish the Democratic party by people who support it?
    The roots of the KKK run deep in the Democratic party.

    You mean the old southern Dixiecrat wing of the Democratic Party, which began in the Civil War Reconstruction era. And morphed into today's Republican Party. You do need to keep up on your US history, it might help you make more intelligent and informed statements.
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    Mar 07, 2016 7:15 PM GMT
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    musclmed said
    HottJoe saidThe KKK has been supporting the GOP for decades. They court them using coded language. Drumpf is more effectively courting them, and now they're afraid of losing KKK votes.



    Should we tarnish the Democratic party by people who support it?
    The roots of the KKK run deep in the Democratic party.

    You mean the old southern Dixiecrat wing of the Democratic Party, which began in the Civil War Reconstruction era. And morphed into today's Republican Party. You do need to keep up on your US history, it might help you make more intelligent and informed statements.

    You're as far off on your own history, Artless, as you are on your analogies. The GOP was founded in the 1850s in the North, not the South; conservative Demos deserted their own party in droves when they became disgusted with the race-based pandering towards "minorities" and the permissive and pusillanimous domestic and foreign policies of LBJ and Carter, and Obama has only hastened their exodus. "Today's Republican Party" is more a product of the GOP administrations since Wilson, Truman, and LBJ; it wasn't "morphed" - or "birthed," for that matter - from anything but its economic and philosophic principles, which essentially are free enterprise and free will, not a free ride.

    And why is it that Demos are always so quick to distinguish the Dixiecrats from what they call "their base," but are loathe to allow the GOP to do so among its various constituencies? You want hypocrisy? The Demos deal in it in spades.
  • ChicagoSteve

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    Mar 07, 2016 9:43 PM GMT
    But MGINSD, what about what I was pointing out regarding this video? Paul Ryan was stating that the Republican party, the party of Lincoln, does not represent or condone bigotry. But that is exactly what they have done with the GLBT voter base. They have really rallied against us and aligned the GOP with the religious right. The GOP does not support our rights, that is fact.
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    Mar 08, 2016 3:02 AM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidBut MGINSD, what about what I was pointing out regarding this video? Paul Ryan was stating that the Republican party, the party of Lincoln, does not represent or condone bigotry. But that is exactly what they have done with the GLBT voter base. They have really rallied against us and aligned the GOP with the religious right. The GOP does not support our rights, that is fact.

    Fair enough, CS; and unfortunately so for many, but not all GOPers. But, it is only the radical right wing of the GOP that caters to the homophobes and opposes gay rights. My point is that why is that wing of the GOP seen as THE GOP, while the Dixiecrats are consistently deemed only a PART - and a small, former one at that - of the Democrats?
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    Mar 08, 2016 3:28 AM GMT
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    Democrats today generally eschew bigots who made up part of the Dem Party's past before the platforms of both parties reversed roles, while Republicans currently embrace their bigots which make up part of their present &, it seems, their future.

    If it is just your radical right wing, then why do you let that wing wag the bird. Or is it just the radical right wing which insists the entire GOP place a Scuzlia on the court who would seek to demean us from the highest bench?

    We can isolate Dixiecrats in our past because that's just cutting off a old toe nail. We don't need that to walk... For you to get rid of your radicals, you'd have to pull out a living lung you need to talk.

    Meanwhile, did I see a calling of hypocrite in the same breath as just named the Republican party a party of free will who can't distinguish itself by throwing off bigots as Democrats have because you've yet to be "allowed"? Really!?!

    Because if that's the case, permission granted. lol Hell, we thought that was understood. We didn't know we had to say anything. You can start with Trump.
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    Mar 08, 2016 3:43 AM GMT
    Hillary just loved the Democrat's own Grand Kleagle of the KKK.

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    Mar 08, 2016 3:44 AM GMT
    But it's not racist when Democrats hate on Black Republicans.

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    Mar 08, 2016 3:55 AM GMT
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    Mar 08, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
    S2Ki...

    And poor people have been voting Republican for 50 years, and, unbelievably, they are still poor, too. Funny how it works on both sides of the aisle. Meanwhile, those who say they will 'change Washington' (from both sides of the aisle) continue to line their pockets, and enact legislation which keeps the poor down, and does its best to increase the number of poor. Stagnant wages since 1980 is due to policies from both parties, in cahoots with one another. And the American electorate actually believes there is a difference between Dem and Rep. 'Politics' in America is strictly a circus show to keep the publics' eye off the real target of elected officials - total control of the population. NSA, FBI,CIA, drones, death warrants to kill people in other countries (what happened to the American ideal of a trial before your peers, and innocent before proven guilty?), etc. Elected officials are lawless and the American public approves it, hence we are in the current state of affairs.
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    Mar 08, 2016 5:08 PM GMT
    S2Ki said140422-barkley-democrats.jpg
    Older northern US cities have been under monolithic rule of the donkey dork democrats for the past five to six decades and almost all of them are in the shitter of bankruptcy and decay. All you have to do is look at cities like Baltimore, Detroit, Flint, Gary, St Louis, etc. and you will see that almost all these northern cities are still deeply troubled urban bastions of abandonment, decay, and horrific mismanagement thanks to the Democratic Party and its endless pandering to crooked organized labor and the unmotivated urban poor combined with its harebrained urban renewal programs and special tax giveaways to politically connected real estate developers.
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    CrabNebula saidS2Ki...

    And poor people have been voting Republican for 50 years, and, unbelievably, they are still poor, too. Funny how it works on both sides of the aisle. Meanwhile, those who say they will 'change Washington' (from both sides of the aisle) continue to line their pockets, and enact legislation which keeps the poor down, and does its best to increase the number of poor. Stagnant wages since 1980 is due to policies from both parties, in cahoots with one another. And the American electorate actually believes there is a difference between Dem and Rep. 'Politics' in America is strictly a circus show to keep the publics' eye off the real target of elected officials - total control of the population. NSA, FBI,CIA, drones, death warrants to kill people in other countries (what happened to the American ideal of a trial before your peers, and innocent before proven guilty?), etc. Elected officials are lawless and the American public approves it, hence we are in the current state of affairs.


    The Great Depression through Circa 1969...the rebuilding of the wealth of the Nation after the wealthy crashed it last time...
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    Circa 1969 through the Great Recession when the wealth of the Nation was redistributed away from the middle classes, wealth redistributed to the wealthy....
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    The Decade Leading up to the Great Depression, look familiar to anyone?
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    Mar 08, 2016 5:33 PM GMT
    Distribution of the Wealth During Presidential Administrations

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    Mar 09, 2016 5:52 AM GMT
    Appreciate the graphs and snapshots of American financial 'history'. Unfortunately, snapshots can sometimes miss influencing factors. It will be interesting to see what the graphs show for the Obama years. His administration has faced an energy crises exactly opposite of Nixon/Ford/Carter - oil prices fell dramatically and availability increased dramatically. Will that change in energy price/availability show up as an increase in wages or wealth for the bottom 80-90%?

    Other thoughts - How does that graph look when compared to the USA's military budget? Or spending on Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid?

    Fun stuff!
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    Mar 09, 2016 2:24 PM GMT
    I still cannot reconcile how anyone could say that Trump is the antithesis of everything that this country stands for, and with a straight face publicly state that he or she would support the eventual Republican nominee even if that nominee turns out to be Trump.