Trump's Hostile Takeover of the GOP

  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 05, 2016 1:47 AM GMT
    One thing you have to hand to Trump is he is making the extremists in the GOP, those God, Guns, Gays, or Abortion one-issue voters, completely irrelevant. It does appear that he is bringing new voters to the Republican primaries, though it remains to be seen if that translates to the general election. Still, if he continues to win primaries, the old guard leadership will have to either embrace him, or split the party in two, with the Trump side the bigger faction. These public announcements by the GOP emeritus about how he is bad for the party is only going to backfire, no matter how true it might be. Shouldn't the party reflect the views of their voters, and not the other way around?

    No doubt we'll hear from those hangers on to the old ways how the party is "leaving" them, but the fact is that those issues have been all but settled and it's time for the GOP to move on, or step aside. No matter what happens in the next few months, the GOP is going to be changed forever.

    Incidentally, you may have noticed that Trump is picking up on some of Sander's policies, in particular free trade agreements and the trade deficit. Bernie has made that almost as big an issue in his campaign as his desire to break up the big banks and reign in Wall Street. I hear a lot of people who would vote for Sanders if he gets the nom, or Trump if he doesn't. Trump is smart to try and capitalize on that.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 05, 2016 1:55 AM GMT
    I am reminded of this speech from Aaron Sorkin's "The Newsroom", spoke by the fictional Republican news anchor played by Jeff Daniels:

    “No, I call myself a Republican because I am one. I believe in market solutions and I believe in common sense realities and necessity to defend itself against a dangerous world. The problem is now I have to be homophobic. I have to count the number of times people go to church. I have to deny facts and think scientific research is a long con. I have to think poor people are getting a sweet ride. And I have to have such a stunning inferiority complex that I fear education and intellect in the 21st Century. Most of all, the biggest new requirement – the only requirement – is that I have to hate Democrats.”

    A little OTT perhaps, but not by much. It certainly feels that way reading political forums on the Internet. I'm hopeful that the Trump candidacy is helping to change that and we can have public debate about ideas, not ideals.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 05, 2016 1:58 AM GMT
    The deal breaker for me is that Trump is courting the KKK. I know how these games are played, I can tell when someone is bullshitting about a faulty earpiece. The GOP may accept his backtracking, but it's undeniable that that's what he's doing, as far as I'm concerned. I think the GOP has always subtlety courted the KKK, but Trump is just shamelessly paying footsie with them under the table, and the GOP is furious that he's getting their votes. That's part of their core base, after all.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 05, 2016 2:01 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidTrump and Sanders overlap on a few issues.

    What's happening now to the GOP will happen to the Democrat party soon too. Only reason it hasn't happened this time around is that Debbie and Hillary are ruling with an iron fist. But those Bernie supporters will not be happy once they realize that the fix has been in since the beginning.

    In the meantime, large numbers of Democrats are leaving the party - ditching and switching - to vote for Trump.


    As I said, we'll see if that translates in the general. I think large numbers of voters are leaving both parties. I'm only registered Democratic this year so I can vote for Bernie in the primary. Still, IMO the revolt being staged against Trump right now will lose more voters from the extreme right wing than he will gain from moderate Democrats.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 05, 2016 2:26 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe deal breaker for me is that Trump is courting the KKK.


    You are really unbelievable. I'd like to think you're smarter than this
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 05, 2016 2:31 AM GMT
    He may or may not be courting the KKK, and he ultimately can't control who publicly supports him, look up Hookers for Hillary, but he is obviously saying things they like.
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    Mar 05, 2016 2:45 AM GMT
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    The issue was never that the KKK might support him but that he denied knowing who the KKK is. That's an issue. That he fosters hate to further his ambitions is an issue. That he'd say anything is an issue. That you guys have no idea who he really is because he'd say anything is an issue. That you've been glued to your TV sets watching reality TV and think that is reality on TV is an issue. That he's been on reality TV and so therefore you all think you know who he is because you think reality TV is real, because you think TV is real, those are issues too.

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    Mar 05, 2016 3:25 AM GMT
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    The issue was never that the KKK might support him but that he denied knowing who the KKK is. That's an issue. That he fosters hate to further his ambitions is an issue. That he'd say anything is an issue. That you guys have no idea who he really is because he'd say anything is an issue. That you've been glued to your TV sets watching reality TV and think that is reality on TV is an issue. That he's been on reality TV and so therefore you all think you know who he is because you think reality TV is real, because you think TV is real, those are issues too.

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    I have a friend who has every issue of TV Guide. That's an issue.
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    Mar 05, 2016 3:42 AM GMT
    All he's doing is bringing the haters out of the closet, so they don't have to vote Democrat anymore to pretend they don't hate.
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    Mar 05, 2016 4:07 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    theantijock saidtheantijock%20engage%20stalker%20reducti

    The issue was never that the KKK might support him but that he denied knowing who the KKK is. That's an issue. That he fosters hate to further his ambitions is an issue. That he'd say anything is an issue. That you guys have no idea who he really is because he'd say anything is an issue. That you've been glued to your TV sets watching reality TV and think that is reality on TV is an issue. That he's been on reality TV and so therefore you all think you know who he is because you think reality TV is real, because you think TV is real, those are issues too.

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    I have a friend who has every issue of TV Guide. That's an issue.


    lolol yes, that would be. very funny.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 05, 2016 4:18 AM GMT
    I think it's extremely dangerous for white people in America on either side of the aisle to have a laissez faire attitude about Trump's responses to the KKK. No one who isn't a white American takes that lightly. The KKK is a hate group that espouses genocide of non white people. They are like ISIS.

    Trump has also said he will go after our enemies' families and commit illegal torture. These are international war crimes.

    He wants to make it so he can sue the press for writing unflattering things about him. That is fascism. It is unconstitutional and unthinkable to all democrats and republicans.

    He's trying to turn the country against Muslims and Mexicans, and envisions rounding up millions of people, but where does his dangerous imagination stop?

    He's a rich megalomaniac who is petty, who has to have the world think his dick is big, who wants to fuck his own daughter. The whole world will see him as Hitler, they already do, and if he becomes POTUS it's because white America, and only white America, elected him.
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    Mar 05, 2016 5:32 AM GMT
    ^^^ regressive left in all it's glory, Trump never have sided with KKK and last time I checked even KKK has rights to exist in America and last time I checked violence was created towards KKK members from blacks, there is a difference between freedom of speech and actual violence, KKK is irrelevant on the world scene, while PC and islamist terrorism isn't
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    Mar 05, 2016 12:35 PM GMT
    Trump is comic retribution for the GOP's "God, guns and gays" fixation of the last 20 years.

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    Mar 05, 2016 12:38 PM GMT
    ^ so now pictures help as well, not just name calling ? icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 05, 2016 12:49 PM GMT
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    Yeah, here's one just for you.

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    Mar 05, 2016 1:04 PM GMT
    looks more like your mom when she shat you out
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 05, 2016 1:41 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidTrump and Sanders overlap on a few issues.

    What's happening now to the GOP will happen to the Democrat party soon too. Only reason it hasn't happened this time around is that Debbie and Hillary are ruling with an iron fist. But those Bernie supporters will not be happy once they realize that the fix has been in since the beginning.

    In the meantime, large numbers of Democrats are leaving the party - ditching and switching - to vote for Trump.
    The fix for Hillary is going to blow up in the democrats face and it will cause a deep fault line of dissention in the Democratic Party similar to the anger and disunity fracturing the GOP. American voters on both sides are fed up with the establishment candidates like Clinton, Cruz, etc, and are flocking in steadily growing numbers to support either Sanders or Trump.
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    Mar 05, 2016 3:00 PM GMT
    I agree that Trump is "taking over" the GOP--BUT I would not call it "hostile." "Hostile" connotes coercion. Trump's supporters are not being coerced into anything. Rather, their support for Trump is voluntary and intentional. If there's any coercion in the GOP, it's being perpetrated by the GOP moneymakers and purported powerbrokers, like Romney. I would agree, however, that many of Trump's supporters appear to be buying into Trump's vague, undefined and unrealistic promises--very much like Sanders' supporters. Many of Trump's and Sanders' supporters share a similar level of enthusiasm and naïveté.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 05, 2016 7:47 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI agree that Trump is "taking over" the GOP--BUT I would not call it "hostile." "Hostile" connotes coercion. Trump's supporters are not being coerced into anything. Rather, their support for Trump is voluntary and intentional. If there's any coercion in the GOP, it's being perpetrated by the GOP moneymakers and purported powerbrokers, like Romney. I would agree, however, that many of Trump's supporters appear to be buying into Trump's vague, undefined and unrealistic promises--very much like Sanders' supporters. Many of Trump's and Sanders' supporters share a similar level of enthusiasm and naïveté.
    If you want to see the worst case of coercion, look at the donkey dork democrats and their intense pressure on their voters to support the hapless Hillary ho. They are scared shitless that Bernie could easily crush the Mary Queen of Goldman Sachs which could be a costly, devastating blow to the establishment in the Democratic Party.
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    Mar 06, 2016 2:41 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI agree that Trump is "taking over" the GOP--BUT I would not call it "hostile." "Hostile" connotes coercion. Trump's supporters are not being coerced into anything. Rather, their support for Trump is voluntary and intentional. If there's any coercion in the GOP, it's being perpetrated by the GOP moneymakers and purported powerbrokers, like Romney. I would agree, however, that many of Trump's supporters appear to be buying into Trump's vague, undefined and unrealistic promises--very much like Sanders' supporters. Many of Trump's and Sanders' supporters share a similar level of enthusiasm and naïveté.


    Well, the takeover of the GOP is by Trump and his supporters, so no, they aren't the ones being coerced. Trump is bringing supporters to the primaries, many as far as I can tell would not have voted in the primaries were it not for him, and in doing so have made some minor factions in the party irrelevant. The TEA party people, anti-abortion people, anti-gay people, and others through an unholy alliance who have been controlling the GOP's agenda for the last couple cycles have been pushed out, and this is a good thing for governance.

    I agree that he is mostly talk with no substance, like any authoritarian. Listen to his speech/news conference from last night. He tosses out statements like they're facts, but they just aren't. He pulls numbers out of thin air, and because he is an authoritarian and says them like he knows what he's talking about, his supporters respond positively without question.
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    DOMINUS saidI agree that Trump is "taking over" the GOP--BUT I would not call it "hostile." "Hostile" connotes coercion. Trump's supporters are not being coerced into anything. Rather, their support for Trump is voluntary and intentional. If there's any coercion in the GOP, it's being perpetrated by the GOP moneymakers and purported powerbrokers, like Romney. I would agree, however, that many of Trump's supporters appear to be buying into Trump's vague, undefined and unrealistic promises--very much like Sanders' supporters. Many of Trump's and Sanders' supporters share a similar level of enthusiasm and naïveté.


    Well, the takeover of the GOP is by Trump and his supporters, so no, they aren't the ones being coerced. Trump is bringing supporters to the primaries, many as far as I can tell would not have voted in the primaries were it not for him, and in doing so have made some minor factions in the party irrelevant. The TEA party people, anti-abortion people, anti-gay people, and others through an unholy alliance who have been controlling the GOP's agenda for the last couple cycles have been pushed out, and this is a good thing for governance.

    I agree that he is mostly talk with no substance, like any authoritarian. Listen to his speech/news conference from last night. He tosses out statements like they're facts, but they just aren't. He pulls numbers out of thin air, and because he is an authoritarian and says them like he knows what he's talking about, his supporters respond positively without question.


    That's the Artful Dealer. I've had a few of these guys in my life--one a friend from childhood--and even though they can be a good person to their family and friends, when it comes to business, they have zero scruples and at the level of domestic (which they might consider family or friend) or especially international politics which is that much further removed from their self-perceived self, that's the part that's dangerous.

    In business, they have zero issues with fucking the other guy. They don't consider that to be an aspect of morality. To them, it is just business. All is fair in love and war and business. They think they can cheat, they think they can abuse, they think they can carpet bomb, friendly fire be damned. They think it is a game that there is no repercussion to their soul. Karma's little time out. It's just business, like a bathroom break to take a shit. Taking care of business. Until they get caught...

    They've found the gentleman as owns the box; two or three more's a coming to 'dentify him; and the Artful's booked for a passage out,' replied Master Bates. 'I must have a full suit of mourning, Fagin, and a hatband, to wisit him in, afore he sets out upon his travels. To think of Jack Dawkins—lummy Jack—the Dodger—the Artful Dodger—going abroad for a common twopenny-halfpenny sneeze-box! I never thought he'd a done it under a gold watch, chain, and seals, at the lowest. Oh, why didn't he rob some rich old gentleman of all his valables, and go out as a gentleman, and not like a common prig, without no honour nor glory!

    ...problem being, this guy could take us down with him.

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    Mar 07, 2016 5:36 AM GMT
    "Trump is really a New York Democrat, which is why conservatives have lined up against him. They call him a 'con man' who is 'hijacking' their party. But is the Republican party really theirs any more? Or is it undergoing the sort of change the Tory party underwent in the Eighties, when Mrs Thatcher attracted vast numbers with no heritage of voting Conservative? It smells like that."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12183862/Hillary-Clinton-will-find-it-harder-to-crush-Donald-Trump-than-she-thinks.html

    The GOP of 1988-2012 is dead. Good.

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 07, 2016 12:50 PM GMT
    If Bernie keeps winning more primaries, the same thing is going to happen to the democrats. The Wall Street neoliberals and the DNC hierarchy are going to lose control of the party and the voters who support Sanders are going to prevail. The DNC is going to have to refund all the money used by the Mary Queen of Goldman Sachs to purchase delegates and super delegates or risk the angry wrath of the Wall Street crowd.