The Mercury Doesn’t Lie: We’ve Hit a Troubling Climate Change Milestone

  • metta

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    Mar 08, 2016 2:31 AM GMT
    The Mercury Doesn’t Lie: We’ve Hit a Troubling Climate Change Milestone

    "Across the northern hemisphere, the temperature, if only for a few hours, apparently crossed a line: it was more than two degrees Celsius above “normal” for the first time in recorded history and likely for the first time in the course of human civilization."


    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/05/mercury-doesnt-lie-weve-hit-troubling-climate-change-milestone
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    Mar 08, 2016 6:23 AM GMT
    Stanford weighs in on warmth:

    History demonstrates that warmer is healthier. Since the end of the last Ice Age, the earth has enjoyed two periods that were warmer than the twentieth century. Archaeological evidence shows that people lived longer, enjoyed better nutrition, and multiplied more rapidly than during epochs of cold.

    http://web.stanford.edu/~moore/history_health.html
  • tazzari

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    Mar 08, 2016 6:56 AM GMT
    desertmuscl saidStanford weighs in on warmth:

    History demonstrates that warmer is healthier. Since the end of the last Ice Age, the earth has enjoyed two periods that were warmer than the twentieth century. Archaeological evidence shows that people lived longer, enjoyed better nutrition, and multiplied more rapidly than during epochs of cold.

    http://web.stanford.edu/~moore/history_health.html


    More reproducing we don't need. But I question what you are saying; until modern sanitation and medicine, life expectancy, on the average, was far shorter than it is now. Perhaps those who did live longer than average did so because of less pollution and chemicals in the food.
  • Relajado

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    Mar 08, 2016 1:31 PM GMT
    desertmuscl saidStanford weighs in on warmth:

    History demonstrates that warmer is healthier. Since the end of the last Ice Age, the earth has enjoyed two periods that were warmer than the twentieth century. Archaeological evidence shows that people lived longer, enjoyed better nutrition, and multiplied more rapidly than during epochs of cold.

    http://web.stanford.edu/~moore/history_health.html


    Sun is increasingly hotter - 20% more now than for dinsosaurs. Combi e that with greenhouses gasses produced by hellooo humanity's actions and we will eventually see the oceans boil, resulting in a steam greenhouse effevt. Bye bye planet. Global qarming is no joke and it is due to man's actions. Climate change, meven today and not mille ia in the future, has severe climatological impact, see more turbulence and more tornadoes etc. Let's not stick our heads in the sand.
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    Mar 08, 2016 5:41 PM GMT
    Where's the scientific evidence that higher taxes solve the problem?
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 08, 2016 8:45 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidWhere's the scientific evidence that higher taxes solve the problem?


    Who says that's the solution? Nobody.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 08, 2016 9:13 PM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    mx5guynj saidWhere's the scientific evidence that higher taxes solve the problem?


    Who says that's the solution? Nobody.


    Well, lowering taxes won't help either, because the lower-the-taxes party denies we have a problem in the first place.
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    Mar 08, 2016 9:27 PM GMT
    tazzari said
    Hypertrophile said
    mx5guynj saidWhere's the scientific evidence that higher taxes solve the problem?


    Who says that's the solution? Nobody.


    Well, lowering taxes won't help either, because the lower-the-taxes party denies we have a problem in the first place.


    Duh: In 2010, House Democrats passed the Waxman-Markey National Energy TAX bill (H.R. 2454)(aka Cap & Trade) that will actually spike energy bills, decrease our energy supply, discourage job creation and increase our dependence on foreign oil.

    http://naturalresources.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=5256

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    Mar 09, 2016 2:22 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidWhere's the scientific evidence that higher taxes solve the problem?


    A good depression would solve the problem for a decade or so.

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    Mar 09, 2016 3:00 AM GMT
    desertmuscl saidStanford weighs in on warmth:

    History demonstrates that warmer is healthier. Since the end of the last Ice Age, the earth has enjoyed two periods that were warmer than the twentieth century. Archaeological evidence shows that people lived longer, enjoyed better nutrition, and multiplied more rapidly than during epochs of cold.


    Ah, yes, the difference that 20 years make. You see, the paper quoted is from the 90s, and the 21st century is considerably warmer than the 20th. In fact, the last decades of the 20th century were already considerably warmer than the 20th century as a whole. And they were way colder than the first decade of the 21st.

    Now, nobody would much object if things stayed as they are. But considering how much warmer Earth has become in just four decades, the though of this going on for another century is downright scary.

    I don't have kids, so I have no selfish reason to care. I guess by the time I'll say my final good-bye, I'll get to sunbathe naked in January at my beachfront property in Alaska, which is currently 40 miles inland. You are, of course, all cordially invited. Unless my calculations are wrong, in which case you might be six feet under. Water. icon_twisted.gif
  • biathlete01

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    Mar 09, 2016 3:25 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    mx5guynj saidWhere's the scientific evidence that higher taxes solve the problem?


    Who says that's the solution? Nobody.



    A balloon and hosepipe as the answer to climate change? It's just pie in the sky

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/giant-balloon-and-hosepipe-geoengineering


    Are the solutions more dangerous? No one knows.
  • wild_sky360

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    Mar 09, 2016 3:34 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidWhere's the scientific evidence that higher taxes solve the problem?

    HA!
    There ya go. Stake through the heart.
  • wild_sky360

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    Mar 09, 2016 4:12 AM GMT
    biathlete01 said
    Hypertrophile said
    mx5guynj saidWhere's the scientific evidence that higher taxes solve the problem?


    Who says that's the solution? Nobody.



    A balloon and hosepipe as the answer to climate change? It's just pie in the sky

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/giant-balloon-and-hosepipe-geoengineering




    Are the solutions more dangerous? No one knows.


    But we can guess. Do you think spraying 20 million tons of aerosolized aluminum, barium and strontium into the atmosphere annually could have a downside?

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    The "theoretical" solutions that the military has actually been implementing for 40 years are brutally effective and definitely more dangerous. Under the fallback guise of Solar Radiation Management the weather has been fully weaponized.

    Researchers like Dane Wigington suggest that the programs have become so ubiquitous that there is no longer any natural weather anywhere on the planet. Whistleblowers say the programs have so altered natural variations in climate that if they were to be halted, it could actually trigger the out of control events claimed to be the purpose of the programs to prevent.

    The CO2 farce is cover for the actual damage being done in the name of mitigating climate change.

    A very dense, concise, and infuriating outline:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0Ko2OU4Ec
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    Mar 09, 2016 4:26 AM GMT
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  • Relajado

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    Mar 09, 2016 10:38 AM GMT
    Yup, mat!

    And no conspuracy theories please.

    Science.

    And the science is unequivocal no matter what the oil companies would have you believe.
  • Relajado

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    Mar 09, 2016 10:39 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Relajado saidSun is increasingly hotter - 20% more now than for dinsosaurs.


    Uh.... you might want to double check that "statistic" you just invented.


    Ummm it is a yellow star. So this is fact. It is basic cosmology.
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    Mar 09, 2016 12:27 PM GMT
    Relajado saidSun is increasingly hotter - 20% more now than for dinsosaurs. Combi e that with greenhouses gasses produced by hellooo humanity's actions and we will eventually see the oceans boil, resulting in a steam greenhouse effevt.
    A little research goes a long way.

    "Since its birth 4.5 billion years ago, the Sun's luminosity has very gently increased by about 30%."
    and
    "Various complex bio-geological feedback loops have steadily decreased the greenhouse effect precisely because the Sun is getting brighter."

    Source: http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~infocom/The%20Website/evolution.html
  • Relajado

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    Mar 09, 2016 12:35 PM GMT
    Exactly.

    Now research ehat happens with greenhouse emissions continuing as are + increased sun output. Steam Greenhouse Effect and a second Venus.

    How long do we want humanity to last? If a few millenia, ok, continue as is. If not, and we're talking as long as possible, then time to make changes and not swallow oil company garbage because our favourite politicians tell us to.
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    Mar 09, 2016 12:40 PM GMT
    Relajado saidExactly.

    Now research ehat happens with greenhouse emissions continuing as are + increased sun output. Steam Greenhouse Effect and a second Venus.

    How long do we want humanity to last? If a few millenia, ok, continue as is. If not, and we're talking as long as possible, then time to make changes and not swallow oil company garbage because our favourite politicians tell us to.
    As the sun gets larger, earth will be pushed out into a larger orbit. It will be a few billion years before earth turns into another Venus.
  • Relajado

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    Mar 09, 2016 2:58 PM GMT
    No it won't. The increased thermal output will raise temperatures, combined with no ice caps and huge co2 levels, boiling the oceans, increasing the tempwrature.

    That's long term.

    Short term is worse air quality, acidic oceans, acid rain, longer flights, turbulence, general pollution, desertification, rising sea levels and more storms.

    But let's keep having Nero play the fiddle, or throw qnowballs in Congress, as the world burns.
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    Mar 09, 2016 6:45 PM GMT
    We need some heat in SF. It would be awesome to be able to grow tomatoes and actually go into the frigid water when I'm at the beach.
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    Mar 13, 2016 12:29 AM GMT
    we are going to need to hustle building carbon dioxide filters to renew the threshold of recoverable resources.
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    Mar 13, 2016 1:55 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidIf all the lefty libs like the Metta would just turn off their computers and stop charging their smartphones, we would see a huge drop in CO2 emissions.

    But being the hypocrites they are... they won't.


    Actually we did commission science to compare the dirtiest coal-fired power plant emissions against other detrimental sources and it turns out that the more coal we burn to counter your bullshit, the less climate change was effected by your hot air.

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