Poll: 67% of Palestinian Arabs support murder of Israeli Jews, 25% even if attackers are little girls

  • mwolverine

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    Mar 12, 2016 2:56 PM GMT
    From the Palestine Centre for Policy and Survey Research (in Ramallah, capital of the Palestinian Authority, a think tank run by ivy-league educated Palestinian Arab academics):

    http://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/poll%2058%20full%20English.pdf

    || 67% support and 31% oppose use of knives in the current confrontations with Israel.
    || about three quarters (73%) oppose the participation of young school girls in the stabbing attacks and a quarter supports it.

    In previous years, as many as 75% supported even an attempted suicide bombing of an Israeli HOSPITAL by a Gazan woman who was a patient, allowed entry for humanitarian reasons.



    Israeli mother of six murdered by terrorist in her home with kids nearby
    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Mother-of-six-murdered-in-her-home-with-children-nearby-441826

    Pregnant Israeli Stabbed in Tekoa, South of Jerusalem
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pregnant-israeli-stabbed-tekoa-south-jerusalem-n498796[/url]

    American veteran killed as Palestinians unleash attacks in Israel
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vice-president-joe-biden-in-israel-amid-deadly-palestinian-attacks/

    Palestinian teen girls play bigger role in terror attacks on Israelis
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/25/why-palestinians-attacking-israelis-include-teen-girls/76331152

    Two 13-year-old Israeli Arab Girls Behind Stabbing Attack in Central City of Ramle
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.701317

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.701317

  • mwolverine

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    Mar 12, 2016 2:56 PM GMT
    This of course is the result of years of inciting hate, including amongst school girls:

    This long predates the establishment of the State of Israel. Professor Benny Morris writes:

    || Sheik Sulayman al-Taji, a leading Palestinian notable, declared in a poem in 1913: "Jews, sons of clinking gold ... are the weakest of all peoples and the least of them." And Haj Muhammad Amin al-Husseini, the Palestinian national leader during the 1930s and 1940s (in effect Arafat's predecessor), often cited The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a guidebook to history.

    || More recently, in its founding charter or "Covenant," which was composed in 1988, Hamas (which today commands the support of about one-half of the Palestinians and probably a far greater proportion in Gaza and the refugee camps) described "the Jews" as "an instrument of evil"; and it ascribes the outbreak of the French and Russian revolutions, the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the eruption of World War I and World War II to Jewish machinations. The "Covenant" posits the destruction of Israel as the organization's main political goal, and jihad as its method. Hamas (and Islamic Jihad) pamphlets during the first intifada, from 1987 to 1991, regularly described the Jews as "sons of apes and pigs."

    In their minds, Jews are supposed to be dimmis, a relegated minority, not their own masters let alone ruling over them:

    || Palestinian leaders and preachers, guided by history and religion, have traditionally seen the Jews as an inferior race whose proper place was as an abased minority in a Muslim polity; and the present situation, with an Arab minority under Jewish rule, is regarded as a perversion of nature and divine will.

    Children taught, brainwashed, to hate


    Watch this 92 year old long for the good old days when they could massacre Jews and take their spoils, like her father did.


    The underlying philosophy: "We desire death more than you love life"

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    Mar 12, 2016 2:57 PM GMT
    This does not surprise me not even one bit icon_lol.gif
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 12, 2016 2:58 PM GMT
    In the words of Ikrima Sabri, the Arafat appointed Mufti of Jerusalem:
    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/389.htm
    Sabri: We haven't sacrificed enough yet to be worthy of liberating Al-Aqsa. To liberate Jerusalem, Salah Al-Din Al-Ayyubi made great sacrifices for a long time, and we have to sacrifice until Allah's victory is completed. ...The younger the martyr - the greater and the more I respect him....

    Interviewer: Is this why the mothers cry with joy when they hear about their sons' death?

    Sabri: They willingly sacrifice their offspring for the sake of freedom. It is a great display of the power of belief. The mother is participating in the great reward of the Jihad to liberate Al-Aqsa... I talked to a young man... [who] said: '...I want to marry the black-eyed [beautiful] women of heaven.' The next day he became a martyr. I am sure his mother was filled with joy about his heavenly marriage. Such a son must have such a mother.

    Sabri: I am filled with rage toward the Jews. I have never greeted a Jew when I came near one. I never will. They cannot even dream that I will. The Jews do not dare to bother me, because they are the most cowardly creatures Allah has ever created...

    He's right about one thing; meet the mothers:

  • mwolverine

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    Mar 12, 2016 3:46 PM GMT
    It is the above underlying base of racist hatred which remains the obstacle to peace.

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 16, 2016 7:25 PM GMT
    Perhaps cause for optimism, a poll this month shows:

    || 59% agree and 37% disagree with [Hillary] Clinton’s statement that efforts should continue to achieve Israeli-Palestinian peace and that the best outcome for both sides is a two-state solution.

    59% support for a two-state solution is perhaps one of the highest recorded (I'll have to double-check that).

    The problem is that there's always a third (or more) who oppose it.
    More or less the third that is the base of support for Hamas.
  • badbug

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    Mar 17, 2016 10:08 AM GMT

    Hamas sounds too close to Hummus. Do you think that's why they are so popular? Maybe a lot of people are confused when they answer these types of polls.

    I think they should be forced to change their name to something nobody likes, like sauerkraut. I bet then we'd see those poll numbers climb even higher. Food for thought.


    "In other news, a bomb went off in downtown Tel Aviv today, Sauerkraut claimed responsibility"

  • mwolverine

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    Mar 20, 2016 5:05 PM GMT
    Good thinking, but Sauerkraut might encourage neo-nazi support for them.

    Maybe reference them as Halas ("stop it!") or Halash (weak)?
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 27, 2016 9:59 PM GMT
    Flashback to an October, 2014 poll:

    || The latest polls (October, 2014) show that 79.5% (PCPSR, Oct. 2014) of the Palestinian Arabs in the disputed territories support rocket attacks on Israeli civilians. This is not limited to Gazans (72.2%) but also in Judea and Samaria (Trans/Jordan's former so-called West Bank, 83.3%).

    || Did you see that? It's 11.1% higher in the WB than in Gaza!

    || Asked if it is justified to launch these rockets from the midst of civilian areas, 39.1% said no (33.7% in the WB, 49.3% in Gaza).

    || Did you see that? The numbers are more than 15% more extreme in the WB than in Gaza, and even in Gaza half the population is okay with rockets being launched at Israeli civilians from their back yard, despite knowing the danger it presents to them.

    || Alarmingly, only 29.2% (27.7% & 32.1%) believe that negotiations are the "most effective means for the establishment of a Palestinian state".

    || Yet 43.5% (42.7% & 44.9%) believe that "armed action" is the best way.

    || Indeed, 81.3% support what has been called the "Hamas way" (86.2% in the WB, 71.7% in Gaza).
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 30, 2016 3:25 PM GMT
    In the most recent PCPSR poll, from this month, some progress:

    || Support for use of knives in the current confrontations with Israel drops from 67% three months ago to 58% in this
    poll. Support for knifing attacks in the Gaza Strip stands at 82% and in the West Bank at 44%. Three months ago,
    support among West Bankers for knifing attacks stood at 57% and among Gazans at 85%.

    The question about such attacks carried out by little girls was not repeated.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 04, 2016 1:15 PM GMT
    While the statistics give us data, these anecdotes from our brother Corey provide a lot of color:


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    Apr 04, 2016 1:43 PM GMT
    mwolverine said...
    -67% support and 31% oppose use of knives in the current confrontations with...
    -about three quarters (73%) oppose the participation of young school girls in the stabbing attacks and a quarter supports it.


    sounds like downtown Chicago US
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 05, 2016 2:17 PM GMT
    In the first quarter of the year, there were 12 homicide stabbings in Chicago and 5 terrorist homicide stabbings in Israel. I'll be in both places in the coming months, guess I better be more careful in Chicago.

    However, I'm guessing that 2/3rds of Chicago's population doesn't support those stabbings. And if such attacks were perpetrated by little girls, I'm sure that 1/4 of the population wouldn't cheer them on.
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    Apr 05, 2016 2:39 PM GMT
    mwolverine said... I'm sure that 1/4 of the population wouldn't cheer them on.
    if there was significant oil reserves in a new country (carved out after ww2) the size of Chicago i bet things would be much worse. Instead Chicago the haves drive SUV's and have nots do the shooting.

    An interesting linky on Chicago:
    heyjackass.com/

    Just in Feburary there was lots of activity:
    http://abc7chicago.com/news/more-than-40-murders-in-chicago-in-february-cpd-says/1225309/


    your posts are informative/sad but not difficult to figure
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 07, 2016 2:20 PM GMT
    pellaz saidif there was significant oil reserves in a new country (carved out after ww2) the size of Chicago i bet things would be much worse.

    Neither Israel or Palestine has oil reserves. (Thus the old joke, especially appropriate this time of year: "Moses, you had to turn left instead of right?")

    Israel wasn't "carved out after ww2". Mandate Palestine, the Jewish state-to-be, was established after WW I and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire - a quarter century earlier.

    100 years ago "Palestine" was not the name of an Arab "country" or ethnic group but the Latin/European name for the Land of Israel.
    From the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica:

    || Palestine: A geographical name of rather loose application. Etymological strictness would require it to denote exclusively the narrow strip of coast-land once occupied by the Philistines, from whose name it is derived. It is, however, conventionally used as a name for the territory which, in the Old Testament, is claimed as the inheritance of the pre-exilic Hebrews

    Thus Europeans chose that name for this Mandate (the League Of Nations mechanism to create independent states):

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

    || Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people

    || The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions

    On May 15th 1948, after the UN terminated the Mandate and as British troops withdrew, Israel declared independence (only to be formally attacked by Arab armies, though attacks on Jews had started months earlier).

    See also:

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland - and early 20th century Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691

    The Emergence of Palestinian Arab Nationalism
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4193729

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 11, 2016 5:19 AM GMT
    IDF records drastic drop in Palestinian terrorism in March
    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/IDF-records-drastic-drop-in-Palestinian-terrorism-in-March-450157

    March saw an overall number of 6 terrorism incidents (including shootings, stabbings, and vehicle rammings), compared to 56 in February, 45 in January, and 40 in December.

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 13, 2016 3:06 AM GMT
    Abbas: We are searching schools, in one 70 children had knives
    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Abbas-We-are-searching-schools-in-one-70-children-had-knives-449917

    || Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said on Thursday he was working to stop Palestinian knife attacks and other street violence against Israel and had offered to meet Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to rekindle peace efforts.

    || The remarks appeared to be an effort by the Western-backed Abbas to turn the tables on Israel, which has cast him as responsible for the diplomatic deadlock and the surge of bloodshed.

    || Speaking to Channel 2 TV, Abbas gave rare details on his domestic security drives, a touchy matter as many Palestinians deem such moves collaboration with their enemy.

    || "Our security forces go into the schools to search pupils' bags and see if they have knives. You don't know this," he said. "In one school, we found 70 boys and girls who were carrying knives. We took the knives and spoke to them and said: 'This is a mistake. We do not want you to kill and be killed. We want you to live, and for the other side to live as well.'"

    Hamas and its apologists disagree.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 21, 2016 4:04 PM GMT
    Hamas Claims Responsibility for Jerusalem Bus Bombing
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.715554

    Luckily the only death was the suicide bomber himself - reportedly a teenage boy.

    Anyone want to guess what percentage of Palestinian Arabs will support this in the next poll?

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