Let's be kind, and accept Hillary Cinton's apology that she misstated the Reagan's record wrt the HIV pandemic.

  • LeanBuilt

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    Mar 13, 2016 6:17 AM GMT
    Let's be kind, and accept Hillary Cinton's apology that she misstated the Reagan's record wrt the HIV pandemic.

    Her apology (2 hrs after) said: “While the Reagans were strong advocates for stem cell research and finding a cure for Alzheimer’s disease, I misspoke about their record on H.I.V. and AIDS, For that, I’m sorry.”

    Her error reportedly occurred after her extended explanation of Nancy Reagan’s efforts to expand stem cell research after her husband was diagnosed with Alzheimers. She then mistakenly said “It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS in the 1980s. And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan, in particular, Mrs. Reagan, we started national conversation when before no one would talk about it, no one wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something that really appreciated, with her very effective, low-key advocacy, but it penetrated the public conscience and people began to say ‘Hey, we have to do something about this too.’”

    I think RJ members should be kind, and recognize that when someone makes an error and then promptly corrects it, we should forgive them.

    I think it is true that Hillary and Bernie are both strong allies for gays and people with HIV/AIDS. I think it is also true that the Reagan's could have done a lot more to fight the AIDS pandemic early, and so many more lives were lost than would have occurred if the government cared more.

    So, let us remember in our comments on this thread the actual facts from the 1980's. Let us not hurt our strong ally Hillary Clinton by failing to notice she has admitted she had misstated the Reagan's efforts wrt the AIDS pandemic, and apologized to us.

    It's important to be kind.

    Postscript: Hillary has now extended her apology:

    " “I made a mistake, plain and simple. …

    To be clear, the Reagans did not start a national conversation about HIV and AIDS. That distinction belongs to generations of brave lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people, along with straight allies, who started not just a conversation but a movement that continues to this day.

    The AIDS crisis in America began as a quiet, deadly epidemic. Because of discrimination and disregard, it remained that way for far too long. When many in positions of power turned a blind eye, it was groups like ACT UP, Gay Men’s Health Crisis and others that came forward to shatter the silence — because as they reminded us again and again, Silence = Death. They organized and marched, held die-ins on the steps of city halls and vigils in the streets. They fought alongside a few courageous voices in Washington, like U.S. Representative Henry Waxman, who spoke out from the floor of Congress.

    Then there were all the people whose names we don’t often hear today — the unsung heroes who fought on the front lines of the crisis, from hospital wards and bedsides, some with their last breath. Slowly, too slowly, ignorance was crowded out by information. People who had once closed their eyes opened their hearts.

    If not for those advocates, activists, and ordinary, heroic people, we would not be where we are in preventing and treating HIV and AIDS. Their courage — and their refusal to accept silence as the status quo — saved lives.

    We’ve come a long way. But we still have work to do to eradicate this disease for good and to erase the stigma that is an echo of a shameful and painful period in our country’s history.
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    Mar 13, 2016 2:14 PM GMT
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    I was aware of the initial apology and this is the first I've read the extended so thank you for posting. I had already accepted for myself her apology and this further extension is very well said, should be unnecessary but is appreciated.

    Some of the initial reaction I think was way out of line. That anyone would mischaracterize the Clintons as anti-gay is to me bizarre. And I was there to live through it, having lost dear friends to AIDS. Even DADT was forced...

    [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_ask,_don%27t_tell#Origin[/url]
    The policy was introduced as a compromise measure in 1993 by President Bill Clinton who campaigned in 1992 on the promise to allow all citizens to serve in the military regardless of sexual orientation...

    ...after Congressional phone lines were flooded by organized anti-gay opposition, indicating substantial public opposition to Clinton's open service proposal.

    Congress rushed to enact the existing gay ban policy into federal law, outflanking Clinton's planned repeal effort. Clinton called for legislation to overturn the ban, but encountered intense opposition from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, members of Congress, and portions of the public. DADT emerged as a compromise policy.

    So he did promise us. He had tried to fulfill his promise but he did settle on compromise which at the time seemed the best solution considering the headwinds. How strong were those headwinds? The following president, Bush, and his GOP, proposed a Constitutional Amendment against us. That's how strong. The sanctioning of our relationships would have been denied constitutionally. And the undercurrent of that building headwind was what Clinton had to fight. So he compromised on his promise instead of completely losing his promise. An unfortunate step back which he later denounced.

    To Hillary's eulogizing, I accepted her apology immediately--which as you note she offered quickly and outright--and I believed that she thought she misspoke. Or does anyone here in what's left of their right mind think for one second that she forethought that speech, knowing what screaming queens we can be. Sorry, no, that didn't happen like that. What would be the strategy of that?

    What could have happened--and I've lived through more than my fair share of deaths so I'm real familiar with this shit--is that death fucks people up. It just does. It could have been that while she was talking about Nancy and diseases, she thought of AIDS but was on a roll of lauding the deceased first lady's accomplishments. So maybe in speaking extemporaneously, her mind might have shifted to AIDS and that just came out, maybe she couldn't stop herself once it did, and then she had to make up the rest of the story as she went along because she was already speaking and of course she couldn't say anything bad. So out came that "well, she was quiet about her support" bullshit.

    And that would fall in line with that Hillary really is very establishment minded, that her mind would default to praise establishment--Bernie grassroots minded, more critical of establishment--which is why I'm somewhat surprised (yeah, right) that more Republicans don't like her. Was this pandering to that? Again, she'd know we'd scream twice as if we'd just been fucked and then the dick was wiped on the drapes. So thinking she did this on purpose is likely bullshit. She fucked up. People fuck up when people die. Apology accepted.
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    Mar 14, 2016 1:54 PM GMT
    LeanBuilt saidLet's be kind, and accept Hillary Cinton's apology...

    a presidential campaign is a 100 - 200 million dollar effort. Not just one person. Nice if they could professionally manage it.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 14, 2016 3:51 PM GMT
    I totally buy it. Though kind of an odd thing to mis-remember. What I heard, read, was that while Nancy was oblivious to AIDS as wes her husband, in the end it was she that advisors asked to persuade Reagan that he had to address the pandemic, that they couldn't get him to budge and that she was the one to convince him. Maybe one or two years before he termed out. I think Hillary was just stretching to find something nice to say about a fellow First Lady for the funeral and she had to grasp for straws. Nancy's stem cel advocacy wasn't until Baby Bush was in office and on retreat to his race to ponder the fetal tissue issue while ignoring the security memos leading up to 9/11.