Chemical Castration?

  • BloodFlame

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    Mar 13, 2016 9:28 PM GMT
    So I've been wondering about this for some time last year about Chemical Castration.

    For someone like me, I genuinely that I'm meant to be alone. I mean, honestly, I don't really attract any guys (I mean, I do but they're way older than me and whenever I tried, we just never clicked, we're not in the same place at life). So I just came to realize that perhaps, it's just not meant to be for me.

    I was thinking that Chemical Castration would be the perfect thing to undergo. I mean, if you're not getting anyway, is it really that bad to consider lol.

    I feel that if I got this procedure, my life would be much easier. I would finally be confident in myself and not have to worry about what others think. I mean, I try not to already. I'm feminine, I'm not "normal", I'm not "dominant". It's pretty the trifecta but the problem is there is a small part of me that thinks there may be something wrong with me for how I am. And that thought always goes to "Will I ever find a guy with mutual feelings on both mental and physical?"

    I feel that if I killed my sex drive, these thoughts would be a thing of the past and I can finally be myself with no apologies or worries. The only thing that irks me is possible pain in the balls lol.

    But anyway, that's just me. Have any of you ever thought of chemical castration? Do you think one's life could improve if they had a procedure like this?
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    Mar 13, 2016 10:47 PM GMT
    What chemical would this be? I was temporarily castrated with Lupron injections as part of my cancer treatment, to suppress male hormone. This was to slow the cancer's growth while during the radiation therapy. But I had to get periodic shots, the effect wasn't permanent, and my hormone level recovered once the Lupron was stopped.

    The Lupron was the most unpleasant part of my cancer treatment. Because it gave me a severe case of menopause. Hot flashes and sudden dripping sweats, 24/7.

    If this chemical "castration" you're considering would also cause this, it won't be pretty. You should investigate all the possible side effects. That can also include muscle mass & bone density loss, and weight gain, which I also experienced.

    The origins of your unhappiness may be strictly emotional, and not hormonal at all. Nor would your cure be hormonal for an emotional problem. I would caution against such a dramatic, and perhaps irreversible decision as you are discussing here. Not until you have been evaluated by a mental health professional. Which I think any competent and ethical endocrinologist would require before performing such an elective procedure on you.
  • BlueSpruce

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    Mar 13, 2016 11:00 PM GMT
    Forget about Castration and try travel.
  • BloodFlame

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    Mar 13, 2016 11:58 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWhat chemical would this be? I was temporarily castrated with Lupron injections as part of my cancer treatment, to suppress male hormone. This was to slow the cancer's growth while during the radiation therapy. But I had to get periodic shots, the effect wasn't permanent, and my hormone level recovered once the Lupron was stopped.

    The Lupron was the most unpleasant part of my cancer treatment. Because it gave me a severe case of menopause. Hot flashes and sudden dripping sweats, 24/7.

    If this chemical "castration" you're considering would also cause this, it won't be pretty. You should investigate all the possible side effects. That can also include muscle & bone loss, and weight gain, which I also experienced.

    The origins of your unhappiness may be strictly emotional, and not hormonal at all. Nor would your cure be hormonal for an emotional problem. I would caution against such a dramatic, and perhaps irreversible decision as you are discussing here. Not until you have been evaluated by a mental health professional. Which I think any competent and ethical endocrinologist would require before performing such an elective procedure on you.


    I haven't heard of any brand or anything but I heard that they use this form of treatment on those undergoing transsexual surgery. It's supposed to stop testosterone.

    And I feel like it'd be the best thing for me at this point. It'd be nice to actually be content not having a sex-live and through castration, it'll just solidify it.

    BlueSpruce saidForget about Castration and try travel.


    I can't travel and besides, even if I did, I doubt it'd make much of a difference. I feel that the world just isn't for people like me but instead of killing myself, I think cutting off my sex drive would be a better option and then I could focus just being my natural self without any worry of appealing to people who find me unappealing. Oh, and I can focus 100% on my art without distraction. icon_smile.gif

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    Mar 14, 2016 12:13 AM GMT
    Seems extreme and unnecessary. I think you need to find a way to be happy by yourself; without the castration.

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    BloodFlame said
    I haven't heard of any brand or anything but I heard that they use this form of treatment on those undergoing transsexual surgery. It's supposed to stop testosterone.

    Then I suspect it may be Lupron, that I received through periodic injections during cancer treatment to suppress testosterone. But you might wanna research this topic before you consider "chemical castration".
  • BloodFlame

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    Mar 14, 2016 2:15 AM GMT
    xrichx saidSeems extreme and unnecessary. I think you need to find a way to be happy by yourself; without the castration.



    It's hard because that thought is always in the back of my mind. So if I just killed the sex drive (because let's done more harm than good), I could be 100% being alone.

    Art_Deco said
    BloodFlame said
    I haven't heard of any brand or anything but I heard that they use this form of treatment on those undergoing transsexual surgery. It's supposed to stop testosterone.

    Then I suspect it may be Lupron, that I received through periodic injections during cancer treatment to suppress testosterone. But you might wanna research this topic before you consider "chemical castration".


    I'll look into it.
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    Mar 14, 2016 2:20 AM GMT
    Dude......you're TWENTY-FOUR years old! You have your whole life ahead of you and at this young age you're going to decide you'll never every meet anyone? Come on. I'll say the same thing about this as they do about suicide: "Never choose a permanent solution for a temporary problem." You live in Henderson, Nevada for God's sake! Get the fuck out of that town and move to a real city where you have a shot at meeting someone nice. It's not you, it's your location.
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    Radd saidDude......you're TWENTY-FOUR years old! You have your whole life ahead of you ...
    You old guys need to stop saying that shit. Yeah I'm 45, but some of my best friends died while I was still in high school. His whole life could end before he wakes up tomorrow. Encourage him to be his best right now, cause his young age is no guarantee of continued life.

    BloodFlame: Do what you feel is best for you, and don't listen to the people who try to persuade you otherwise. If it's a mistake, it's a mistake. We all make them. The biggest regrets most people have is the regret of things they did not do...not the mistakes they made from things they did do.
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    Mar 14, 2016 2:31 AM GMT
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    The thing with travel is that we tend to bring our problems with us.

    I suggest talking out such a trip with a well qualified travel agent.
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    Mar 14, 2016 2:58 AM GMT
    Dear Millennial,

    Your young! Please do not get discouraged. May I suggest setting some life goals, objectives? FOCUS on them and set your aim high. Don't compare your life with others. We are all unique. I am a firm beleiver that we need to make the very best with what we have. That means, keeping your balls and growing up to be a fine man!
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    Mar 14, 2016 3:06 AM GMT
    BloodFlame said

    It's hard because that thought is always in the back of my mind. So if I just killed the sex drive (because let's done more harm than good), I could be 100% being alone.



    I'll look into it.


    have u looked into masturbation? it really clears the mind.

    and PS: it's not a coincidence that God gave you arms the exact length to reach your cock.
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    Mar 14, 2016 4:12 AM GMT
    Sounds to me like you're hoping for an easy way out of your problems. Drugs like opiates and alcohol are the usual easy options but chemical castration? I hadn't thought of that before. You need to talk to a professional AND it's obvious you need to shake up your life with a move to a more gay friendly city. Find the courage inside yourself to say "I deserve better than this!" and make a plan to accomplish it in a way that you can be proud of.
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    Radd saidDude......you're TWENTY-FOUR years old! You have your whole life ahead of you ...
    You old guys need to stop saying that shit. Yeah I'm 45, but some of my best friends died while I was still in high school. His whole life could end before he wakes up tomorrow. Encourage him to be his best right now, cause his young age is no guarantee of continued life.

    BloodFlame: Do what you feel is best for you, and don't listen to the people who try to persuade you otherwise. If it's a mistake, it's a mistake. We all make them. The biggest regrets most people have is the regret of things they did not do...not the mistakes they made from things they did do.
    Except in this case the mistake would be permanent so it would probably be prudent to give the decision plenty of thought beforehand.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Mar 14, 2016 5:11 AM GMT
    castration, chemical or otherwise, will not stop your feelings ... you would need a lobotomy for that
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    AMoonHawk saidcastration, chemical or otherwise, will not stop your feelings ... you would need a lobotomy for that


    Or grad school. Or probably any other all-consuming obsessive endeavor that leaves no time or energy for anything else.
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    paulflexes said
    Radd saidDude......you're TWENTY-FOUR years old! You have your whole life ahead of you ...
    You old guys need to stop saying that shit. Yeah I'm 45, but some of my best friends died while I was still in high school. His whole life could end before he wakes up tomorrow. Encourage him to be his best right now, cause his young age is no guarantee of continued life.

    BloodFlame: Do what you feel is best for you, and don't listen to the people who try to persuade you otherwise. If it's a mistake, it's a mistake. We all make them. The biggest regrets most people have is the regret of things they did not do...not the mistakes they made from things they did do.



    Fuck off Captain Obvious. No shit he could die tomorrow. Do you really think no one thought of that but you? You're fucking retarded to encourage the guy to chemically castrate himself. What kind of person thinks this is good advice? "The biggest regrets are the regrets of things they did not do?" Yeah.....well this is a permanent mistake and the poor guy will probably be suicidal if he goes through with this. Think before you speak (old man.)
  • badbug

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    Mar 14, 2016 6:43 AM GMT

    I actually have thought of it. It could of been perhaps my first thought when i heard there was such a thing. I've also toyed with the idea of cutting myself really badly facially with a knife among other ideas on how to permanently seperate myself from the idea of romantic relationships with other people.

    I think the first time i heard of chemical castration was an old episode of law and order. I was probably 17? I immediately thought that that might be a good way to escape the torments of whatever you want to call it. At the time i really had no idea what i was going through, just that the idea of relationships and my proximity to them, the idea that i could have one but didn't but did but they weren't ever the way i wanted them to be when i had them etc...was just too much for me and chemical castration sounded like an easy way out, an easy way to turn that part of my emotional being off.


    Like other posters are saying, it's a very extreme idea. It's also not likely to work as well as we'd hope, in the moments we hope for such a thing, because a lot of those kinds of issues stem from our thoughts about what other people might be thinking and feeling, their validation, something we crave on more than just a sexual level. Feeling like an outcast or social "freak" already, it's probably not a good idea for us to take that step even further in our own minds.

    I don't remember exactly all the drawbacks of chemical castration, but when i did look into it with any seriousness, it seemed like a bad idea medically. As well as psychologically.



    I agree with the poster saying you are looking for an easy way out, though i think i would characterize it as more of looking for any way out. There really doesn't seem to be too many ways out of this type of over importance placed on our own perceptions of the perceptions of other people.

    Have you considered looking into any possible help by way of reading up on Body Dysmorphic Disorder and Histrionic Personality Disorder? Those are two disorders in which people have to find ways to cope with similar issues. I am not saying they explain what is going on with you, i am saying that some of the methods that are recommended in order to cope with strong emotions regarding ideas like physical beauty and rejection could help you.


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    Mar 14, 2016 9:49 AM GMT
    First question - are you receiving therapy? From what I've seen on here, you have some deep-rooted and serious issues that you should be addressing with a mental health professional, before you begin to consider anything more extreme.

    Secondly - what actually are your issues? That you're a feminine gay guy - what else? Why do you feel like you don't have a place in this world? Do you not realise that a lot of people feel like that too? I'm struggling to work out why you think you're unique. That sounds harsh and isn't meant to - I'm just trying to find out what your deal really is and why you're looking at extreme ways to remedy what you perceive as your situation, in case there are some other things that could be suggested for you to try that might help you.

    The fact you write something like:

    "I can't travel and besides, even if I did, I doubt it'd make much of a difference."

    Worries me. Why can't you travel? And then saying if you did it wouldn't make a difference - if you truly want to help yourself and improve your life, that's the sort of attitude that needs to change. Don't be so dismissive. If you have tried something, I mean really thrown yourself into it and given it 100% and it doesn't work, maybe THEN you can doubt the difference it makes. And then try something else.
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    Mar 14, 2016 6:57 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidSounds to me like you're hoping for an easy way out of your problems. Drugs like opiates and alcohol are the usual easy options but chemical castration? I hadn't thought of that before. You need to talk to a professional AND it's obvious you need to shake up your life with a move to a more gay friendly city. Find the courage inside yourself to say "I deserve better than this!" and make a plan to accomplish it in a way that you can be proud of.


    I just find myself over it and I live in Vegas (well, near Vegas but still) and if I can't make it here, I doubt it won'y be any different anywhere else.

    thadjock said
    BloodFlame said

    It's hard because that thought is always in the back of my mind. So if I just killed the sex drive (because let's done more harm than good), I could be 100% being alone.



    I'll look into it.


    have u looked into masturbation? it really clears the mind.

    and PS: it's not a coincidence that God gave you arms the exact length to reach your cock.


    I already do that lol.

    AMoonHawk saidcastration, chemical or otherwise, will not stop your feelings ... you would need a lobotomy for that


    Oh.. Yeah, I heard that they don't do those anymore but I wish they did.

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    Mar 14, 2016 7:10 PM GMT
    2Bnaked saidDear Millennial,

    Your young! Please do not get discouraged. May I suggest setting some life goals, objectives? FOCUS on them and set your aim high. Don't compare your life with others. We are all unique. I am a firm beleiver that we need to make the very best with what we have. That means, keeping your balls and growing up to be a fine man!


    I do but it does get a little lonely, I must admit. I was fine being alone in the beginning but after seven, going on eight years, it's really getting me. I just feel that at a certain point, you know what your future is going to look like


    badbug said
    I actually have thought of it. It could of been perhaps my first thought when i heard there was such a thing. I've also toyed with the idea of cutting myself really badly facially with a knife among other ideas on how to permanently seperate myself from the idea of romantic relationships with other people.

    I think the first time i heard of chemical castration was an old episode of law and order. I was probably 17? I immediately thought that that might be a good way to escape the torments of whatever you want to call it. At the time i really had no idea what i was going through, just that the idea of relationships and my proximity to them, the idea that i could have one but didn't but did but they weren't ever the way i wanted them to be when i had them etc...was just too much for me and chemical castration sounded like an easy way out, an easy way to turn that part of my emotional being off.


    Like other posters are saying, it's a very extreme idea. It's also not likely to work as well as we'd hope, in the moments we hope for such a thing, because a lot of those kinds of issues stem from our thoughts about what other people might be thinking and feeling, their validation, something we crave on more than just a sexual level. Feeling like an outcast or social "freak" already, it's probably not a good idea for us to take that step even further in our own minds.

    I don't remember exactly all the drawbacks of chemical castration, but when i did look into it with any seriousness, it seemed like a bad idea medically. As well as psychologically.



    I agree with the poster saying you are looking for an easy way out, though i think i would characterize it as more of looking for any way out. There really doesn't seem to be too many ways out of this type of over importance placed on our own perceptions of the perceptions of other people.

    Have you considered looking into any possible help by way of reading up on Body Dysmorphic Disorder and Histrionic Personality Disorder? Those are two disorders in which people have to find ways to cope with similar issues. I am not saying they explain what is going on with you, i am saying that some of the methods that are recommended in order to cope with strong emotions regarding ideas like physical beauty and rejection could help you.




    I'm familiar with body-dysmorphia but I don't think I suffer from that.

    Radd saidDude......you're TWENTY-FOUR years old! You have your whole life ahead of you and at this young age you're going to decide you'll never every meet anyone? Come on. I'll say the same thing about this as they do about suicide: "Never choose a permanent solution for a temporary problem." You live in Henderson, Nevada for God's sake! Get the fuck out of that town and move to a real city where you have a shot at meeting someone nice. It's not you, it's your location.


    I don't know, can I really blame my location? I mean, I see people around me here who still managed to find someone so it really is glaring that I can't do it too, no matter how hard I try. That's why I don't think it'll be different if I moved to another area.

    And I know something like this is weird to hear from someone in their 20s but after you see a pattern, you kinda figure what your future is going to be like. I don't want to be that older man who's never had real intimacy and gets driven to bitterness because of it. That's why I feel that if I just cut it all off, I finally wouldn't be thinking about that stuff for good and can finally be 100% happy being my weird self without any worry on finding someone who won't like me anyway.

    PulseFit saidFirst question - are you receiving therapy? From what I've seen on here, you have some deep-rooted and serious issues that you should be addressing with a mental health professional, before you begin to consider anything more extreme.

    Secondly - what actually are your issues? That you're a feminine gay guy - what else? Why do you feel like you don't have a place in this world? Do you not realise that a lot of people feel like that too? I'm struggling to work out why you think you're unique. That sounds harsh and isn't meant to - I'm just trying to find out what your deal really is and why you're looking at extreme ways to remedy what you perceive as your situation, in case there are some other things that could be suggested for you to try that might help you.

    The fact you write something like:

    "I can't travel and besides, even if I did, I doubt it'd make much of a difference."

    Worries me. Why can't you travel? And then saying if you did it wouldn't make a difference - if you truly want to help yourself and improve your life, that's the sort of attitude that needs to change. Don't be so dismissive. If you have tried something, I mean really thrown yourself into it and given it 100% and it doesn't work, maybe THEN you can doubt the difference it makes. And then try something else.


    I'm not saying I'm "special". In fact, I think I'm the opposite of that. The truth of the matter is I feel fine with the other aspects of my love but when it comes to "love", I don't think that's ever going to work for me. I've tried but it's no use and as I see everyone I know around have each found someone, it just feels like maybe I'm not meant to find someone or if I do, I have to settle and be unhappiness. Like I said, I don't want to put anyone in that position.

    And that's why since I'm not even using my sex drive, I just might as well get rid of it and try to become asexual. I know asexuality doesn't work that way but I look at some of these people and they seem so happy not having any sexual attraction and I feel like someone like me would really benefit from it.

    As far as travel goes, I don't have the money for that and I feel that even if I did, it really wouldn't make any different.

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    Radd saidDude......you're TWENTY-FOUR years old! You have your whole life ahead of you and at this young age you're going to decide you'll never every meet anyone? Come on. I'll say the same thing about this as they do about suicide: "Never choose a permanent solution for a temporary problem." You live in Henderson, Nevada for God's sake! Get the fuck out of that town and move to a real city where you have a shot at meeting someone nice. It's not you, it's your location.


    I don't know, can I really blame my location? I mean, I see people around me here who still managed to find someone so it really is glaring that I can't do it too, no matter how hard I try. That's why I don't think it'll be different if I moved to another area.

    And I know something like this is weird to hear from someone in their 20s but after you see a pattern, you kinda figure what your future is going to be like. I don't want to be that older man who's never had real intimacy and gets driven to bitterness because of it. That's why I feel that if I just cut it all off, I finally wouldn't be thinking about that stuff for good and can finally be 100% happy being my weird self without any worry on finding someone who won't like me anyway.




    YES! You CAN blame your location! This is why most people who don't fit into societal norms move to bigger cities. There ARE people who are into fem guys but your chances of finding them in a narrow minded small down are next to nothing. And likewise, those who prefer fem guys also move to larger cities to find them.
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    Mar 14, 2016 7:42 PM GMT
    Radd said
    paulflexes said
    Radd saidDude......you're TWENTY-FOUR years old! You have your whole life ahead of you ...
    You old guys need to stop saying that shit. Yeah I'm 45, but some of my best friends died while I was still in high school. His whole life could end before he wakes up tomorrow. Encourage him to be his best right now, cause his young age is no guarantee of continued life.

    BloodFlame: Do what you feel is best for you, and don't listen to the people who try to persuade you otherwise. If it's a mistake, it's a mistake. We all make them. The biggest regrets most people have is the regret of things they did not do...not the mistakes they made from things they did do.



    Fuck off Captain Obvious. No shit he could die tomorrow. Do you really think no one thought of that but you? You're fucking retarded to encourage the guy to chemically castrate himself. What kind of person thinks this is good advice? "The biggest regrets are the regrets of things they did not do?" Yeah.....well this is a permanent mistake and the poor guy will probably be suicidal if he goes through with this. Think before you speak (old man.)


    Radd is one of the most sensible people on here from the posts I have read of his so I think you should listen to him, he cares about other people and obviously your welfare, the thing is, I had to wait until I was 38 before I met someone I really liked, it didn't last for reasons out of my control but I had the time of my life with this guy and the thought of it keeps me warm in my bed at night even though I am on my own. None of us are born knowing how to be or what we are capable of, we have to learn how to do everything, we all have a value and so do you, just because you haven't found your bearings quite yet doesn't mean you won't, a wise older friend once told me because I didn't have a clue where my life was going career wise, he said "relax a little, the most interesting people I have met in my life are the ones that never knew what they wanted to do so they tried many things which of course made them a much more rounded person" wise words indeed, I have done many things so far in my short life and hopefully many more things to come, I can talk about many interesting things for hours and know things many others don't, I may not be a Dr or a lawyer but that doesn't mean I am not smarter in other ways than they are. I am probably more contented than they are though and there is no reason why you couldn't achieve that too, all it takes is effort and know how through experience. If you make a decision like this to chemically castrate yourself, that is a very brutal way to deny yourself something we are all born with, sex with the right person is a beautiful thing and its worth waiting for the right person to experience that with even if you have to wait as long as I did or longer. I think if you went down this route, it is final and I think if you did meet someone one day it could have a very serious effect on your mental wellbeing and there would be no going back, you can't reverse it, you have your whole life ahead of you, why screw it up on a whim.
    I think maybe you should talk to a professional and be positive and forward thinking and find some value in yourself. I found that through helping others which gives me a purpose and I feel I really make a difference to some peoples lives, that makes me proud of who I am, I have travelled around the world on my own and have many varied interests and many friends around the world who I can visit. Don't get me wrong, my life isn't perfect by any means but I appreciate what I have and the people in my life, maybe you can't see how people love and appreciate you and the difference you could make to others, even the girl or guy you talk to in the shop and may make their life a little more easier because you made the effort to say hi and hows your day going, smile and the world will smile with you. You never know who you will meet and what experiences you will have in the future, its all out there waiting for you to discover, so don't make a silly decision when you have only just started your adult life, you will regret it if you do anything drastic.
    Go and do something cool like buy a bike and go on a road trip with a tent and see where that takes you, who you meet and what amazing experiences you have, sleep in a field or on a beach and go for a midnight swim, go to music festivals and learn all the amazing things and amazing scenery we have in this world, respect nature and that includes you too, you were born with the ability to have sex, you have it for a reason, you never know you may one day decide to have a kid, I never wanted to when I was young but I do now, I see the world so differently than when I did when I was 24, its all out there, go explore.
    Hope that helps, you just gotta get things in perspective which takes practice and experience.
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    Mar 14, 2016 7:55 PM GMT
    You could use a good bout of therapy with a sympatico therapist. Seriously.

    You are young, and your conclusions about your life to date are, from the perspective of my advanced age, pretty warped.

    Good luck.
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    BloodFlame saidHave any of you ever thought of chemical castration? Do you think one's life could improve if they had a procedure like this?


    Chemical castration removes the desire for sex. I would guess it's not that hard to find sex in a city like Vegas, so I am also guessing your frustration stems for a desire for a deeper connection, and chemical castration is not going to do anything about that.

    I understand your reservations about travel and the comments made on here about you taking your problems with you. In my experience, though, places with large numbers of people living there short-term (like tourists) tend to also be places where deep connections are routinely frustrated. It's just too easy to give up on someone and wait for the next new thing to come along.