When There's a Holy War at Work

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    Mar 14, 2016 6:28 PM GMT
    Its no wonder us LGBTs have problems in some workplaces and workplace protections from discrimination. Its the same ole argument from the people who consider themselves 'christian'. These people take the first amendment to the extreme, but continue to forget the separation of church and state applies in the workplace too

    I don't care what religion you want to practice, most people do or hold their beliefs in private. You should not bring that into the workplace. See, its the same 'argument' right wing nut jobs make about LGBT, that we should not bring 'our lifestyle' into the workplace.

    Just as we learned with the Kim Davis saga, what if an HR person or hiring manager, with power or authority, refuses to recognize the local, state, federal laws or workplace policies that protect LGBTs while they believe their religious beliefs obstruct them from doing their jobs

    Well, there is a difference between who you are as a person (say evolution) and what you believe (say creation). Ones beliefs can be objectionable, lead to opinion or discrimination. icon_idea.gif

    I remember one manager at a workplace (manufacturing), that walked around all day after receiving his 'blessing' from ash Wednesday. Something he had done, outside of the workplace, on his own time but then came to work with his forehead mark. Why? To counter protest LGBT employment protections that the company just implemented?

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    http://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/when-there-s-a-holy-war-at-work.html

    Americans are a religious people. Only 3.1 percent of American adults claim to be atheists. So, you'd think that with almost everyone believing in God to some extent, that religion would be a natural part of the work day. Except it isn't, generally. Some people got all sorts of uncomfortable when a businessman Eric Little posted a picture of his work bible study on the company LinkedIn and Facebook pages. An HR manger warned him that if they disciplined an employee who wasn't part of the bible study, they could face a religious discrimination lawsuit. Little responded,

    Why would you guys assume attendance or non-attendance would have any impact whatsoever on any of my team? Do you think it's impossible for Christians to be tolerant, unbiased or fair? Why would you assume that we are not respectful to all beliefs, including atheists and agnostics?

    Still, the HR manager is right to be nervous. Companies are required to provide reasonable accommodations for religious beliefs and they are required to treat employeess equally, regardless of the employee's or manager's religious belief. I absolutely believe that Little is correct-Christians can be tolerant, unbiased and fair, as can people of all religions and no religions. But, when you're disciplining an employee, they'll often grasp onto anything that makes them different and claim that's the reason for the discipline. Not their own error.
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    Mar 14, 2016 6:54 PM GMT
    So what are you suppose to do if you find yourself on the receiving end of a religious bigot, in a position of authority, in the workplace? icon_confused.gif I assume for most people, your employment relationship will probably end badly icon_redface.gif




    Kim Davis’s Deputies Say They Were Too Afraid Of Her To Issue Licenses
    http://crooksandliars.com/2015/09/are-kim-davis-s-deputies-too-afraid-her

    So the clerks wanted to comply with the law but their boss wouldn't let them? (Remember, one of them was her son.) That's not imaginary oppression, that's actual oppression! Via Think Progress

    In an interview with the Kentucky Trial Court Review, Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins expressed exasperation with Kim Davis, the anti-gay clerk who has refused to issue marriage licenses due to her objections to marriage equality. Davis, Watkins said, “does not represent” the county or its values, and he added that he told Davis that he “will not and cannot support” her in her refusal to obey the Constitution.

    Perhaps most significantly, Watkins also says that he learned that Davis’s deputy clerks would issue marriage licenses to all couples legally entitled to one, but that they are too afraid of Davis to do so.

    If Judge David Bunning, the federal judge who is expected to hold Davis in contempt after a hearing Thursday morning, orders Davis’s deputies to issue marriage licenses, Watkins says, the deputies will comply.

    Davis’s refusal to comply with the Constitution has potentially placed her deputies in legal jeopardy. In an order announcing the contempt hearing, Judge Bunning said that Davis “and each of her deputy clerks shall be present at the hearing.” The deputies’ willingness to issue licenses if Davis is no longer an obstacle, however, may save them from sanctions since the primary purpose of the contempt hearing is to pressure Davis’s office to comply with the law.
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    Mar 14, 2016 7:09 PM GMT
    If I ran a business, employees would not be able to bring anything outside of the workplace into the workplace. There would be no decorating ones office with family pictures, puppy calendars, plaques with trite religious or positive thinking slogans, etc. - nothing outside of work. Some peoples' offices are shrines to their families, religion, hobbies, etc. I think it's completely unacceptable. The most I would allow would be a plant, except for Christmas cactus or poinsettias. No Christmas trees. No menorahs. No whatever it is Muslims like to bring into the workplace - bomb vests etc. And I don't want to hear about Ramadan or your stomach growling with hunger. No proselytizing about anything at any time, whether verbal or non verbal. All conversations are to be about work. I don't care if you kid is top of his class or your spouse is dying. As far as personal dress - no jewelry of any kind. That includes wedding rings. No scarves, especially headscarves, even if it is 10 degrees below zero. No clothing with images or words. No team apparel. Solid colors, polkadots, stripes, plaids, geometric prints only.

    Have I forgotten anything?

    Oh, no smelly food in the lunchroom.
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    Mar 14, 2016 7:22 PM GMT
    ELNathB said...

    Perhaps most significantly, Watkins also says that he learned that Davis’s deputy clerks would issue marriage licenses to all couples legally entitled to one, but that they are too afraid of Davis to do so.
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    Gutless wienies!
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    Mar 14, 2016 7:26 PM GMT
    Religion is the solution to, and the cause of, all the world's problems.

    Go atheists! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 15, 2016 1:53 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    ELNathB said...

    Perhaps most significantly, Watkins also says that he learned that Davis’s deputy clerks would issue marriage licenses to all couples legally entitled to one, but that they are too afraid of Davis to do so.
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    Gutless wienies!




    Harassment, intimidation and retaliation are all illegal, adverse actions in the workplace according to our countries federal and state labor laws.

    In the name of religious beliefs, it gets a pass on these adverse actions? icon_confused.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    In order to feel safe in the workplace today, It has become apparent now, that we LGBT people must question company representatives, management and 'human resource' as to their individual religious beliefs since these people seem to bring those beliefs into the workplace which could cause conflict between those without the same beliefs. icon_idea.gif


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    Mar 15, 2016 2:12 AM GMT
    I would rather call it an UNholy war. There are no holy aspects about it.