Do You Have The Balls to Vote Outside Your Political Party?

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    Mar 18, 2016 2:53 PM GMT
    I've never voted anything but Democrat. But it's not because I'm afraid to vote outside my party. It's because that's what's always made sense at each individual election.

    I see so many people defending every single issue that their party stands for without any conscious thought at all. For example, it seems most Democrats are pro-equal rights, anti-gun, pro-welfare, pro-choice, pro-environment and anti-war. While 99% Republicans seem to be anti-gay, pro-gun, anti-welfare, pro-life, anti-environment and pro-war. Why is it I never meet a Democrat who's pro-life? Or a Republican who's pro-gay. Yes I've been told they exist (along with unicorns.) But seriously, why can't people think for themselves?

    I'm curious.....what is the party you affiliate with and name an issue you do NOT agree with that they stand for.
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    Mar 18, 2016 3:22 PM GMT
    War and recession during the George Bush years
    i made a lot of money during Obama and that is what counts.
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    Mar 18, 2016 3:54 PM GMT
    Radd said
    I've never voted anything but Democrat. But it's not because I'm afraid to vote outside my party. It's because that's what's always made sense at each individual election.

    Democrat, too. But I voted for the Republican incumbent Sheriff in Broward County, Florida. As in many US counties one of the most powerful county politicians, if not the top guy.

    But we knew him, liked him, all on a first-name basis, extremely gay friendly and supportive. Unlike his predecessors. He would offer helicopter support for our HIV/AIDS SMART Ride, give us the Sheriff's Office expandable outdoor stage in a big semi trailer for our SMART Ride events, march in our Stonewall Wall parade and have his department people staff a booth at the Pride Fest. Even run recruitment efforts in the gay community.

    But he unexpectedly lost to a Democratic challenger, for whom I didn't vote. Who seems OK so far, attends a lot of our gay fundraisers as his Republican predecessor did. Starting to have his controversies, as did the last Sheriff (which may have sunk him).

    But in a county of 1.8 million residents, and a huge county police force with related activities, I think that's inevitable. I'll make my decision for his continued reelection as he proves his worth.
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    Mar 18, 2016 4:58 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Radd said
    I've never voted anything but Democrat. But it's not because I'm afraid to vote outside my party. It's because that's what's always made sense at each individual election.

    Democrat, too. But I voted for the Republican incumbent Sheriff in Broward County, Florida. As in many US counties one of the most powerful county politicians, if not the top guy.



    Yeah, I seem to remember voting Republican on a couple of local elections. I should have clarified I wasn't talking about local elections, but I guess they're still valid in this discussion.
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    Mar 18, 2016 5:05 PM GMT
    Yes, I definitely do, but I have yet to find a candidate outside of my political party whose core values and policies are consistent with mine.
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    Mar 18, 2016 5:08 PM GMT
    It doesn't take "balls" to vote outside of a particular party. What a stupid set up. How about do you have the brains to select the candidate who will do the best job regardless of party affiliation?
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    Mar 18, 2016 5:10 PM GMT
    Absolutely!

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    Just not this year!


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  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 18, 2016 5:29 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidIt doesn't take "balls" to vote outside of a particular party. What a stupid set up. How about do you have the brains to select the candidate who will do the best job regardless of party affiliation?

    Sure. I've lived in so many red states that most elected offices were determined by the Republican primary and also the best candidates. But if you're talking Federal, I haven't voted for a Republican since Bush one the first time. Since then, with the onset of the Newt years, the Republicans have voted in lock-step for things that greatly offended me and have devolved to Donald. If I felt the better candidate was a R, I still could not vote for them at this point because they would still vote in lock-step (goose-step?) for an agenda I abhor. But I've worked with R Senators and Congressmen on many issues and even influenced them occasionally.

    There are a lot of issues I'm more Libertarian than Dem but not if that position would lead to discrimination which it often can be used to do. And I do feel the Dems are slow to declare any Federal initiative a failure and will throw $B's away on failed programs just to protect a constituency, though Gore as Veep was damned effective at reducing the number of paid Federal employees. The only Administration I can recall that reduced the Federal payroll.
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    Mar 18, 2016 11:30 PM GMT
    I don't belong to any political party, so unless I'm voting for myself, I'm always voting outside my party.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 18, 2016 11:50 PM GMT
    Politicians toe the party line. If they don't, they don't get party support when it comes to re-election, seeking new office and committee appointments. They will all say whatever they need to get elected, but once they are in they aren't going to buck the system.

    I don't agree 100% with the platforms of either of the two major parties, so for me I stay within my registered party (Democrat).
  • Ariodante83

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    Mar 18, 2016 11:53 PM GMT
    I've never voted lol.
  • Apparition

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    Mar 19, 2016 12:36 PM GMT
    Americans need more parties, less money in politics, and an end to the endless campaign.
    Other countries have laws against such things.
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    Mar 19, 2016 1:58 PM GMT
    Ariodante83 saidI've never voted lol.
    a lot of races are decided by a small percentage. I cant see how your vote is not important. Vote for whom you want but setup a Mail-in Ballot so you dont have to deal with driving to the polling place.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 19, 2016 2:23 PM GMT
    Apparition saidAmericans need more parties, less money in politics, and an end to the endless campaign.
    Other countries have laws against such things.
    Thank you.
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  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 19, 2016 3:58 PM GMT
    Radd saidI've never voted anything but Democrat. But it's not because I'm afraid to vote outside my party. It's because that's what's always made sense at each individual election.

    I see so many people defending every single issue that their party stands for without any conscious thought at all. For example, it seems most Democrats are pro-equal rights, anti-gun, pro-welfare, pro-choice, pro-environment and anti-war. While 99% Republicans seem to be anti-gay, pro-gun, anti-welfare, pro-life, anti-environment and pro-war. Why is it I never meet a Democrat who's pro-life? Or a Republican who's pro-gay. Yes I've been told they exist (along with unicorns.) But seriously, why can't people think for themselves?

    I'm curious.....what is the party you affiliate with and name an issue you do NOT agree with that they stand for.
    Despite my independent leanings, I am still a democrat though most likely not for much longer. The things I detest about the democrats are their long term monolithic rule in most older northern US cities which has become catastrophic over the past three to four decades due to their horrendously failed urban policies. This has also resulted in deep seated distrust between these cities and many of their suburbs which has made metropolitan wide problem solving virtually impossible. Also political corruption is much more rampant in these older northern US cities than it is in the rest of the country.

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    Mar 19, 2016 4:19 PM GMT
    I vote for the one who i think is the least corrupted of all , and shows it can help make my and my peers life better , political parties aren't important to me .
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    Apr 01, 2016 3:19 AM GMT
    I stood in line for 3 hours to cast my vote. I was plagued by voters who boasted of being a baby killers and anti Trump. All they needed was a mega phone to get their point out there more.

    Berni and Trump supporters an odd mix for sure!

    BTW.
    I am pro life, Pro gay and all for adoption...pro responsible. I am anti drug use (harmful or addictive prescriptions) I am pro guns-with background checks and getting rid of guns like machine guns AKS. I am pro business and less big wasteful Federal Government. I for entitlements for those who absolutely can't work. I am a capitalist who believes in Philanthropy to help save others. How basic, right?
  • you_know_Its_...

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    Apr 01, 2016 6:19 AM GMT
    Social politics is not linear. We need graphs

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    by no means complete, just the first 20 names I can think of icon_lol.gif
  • AMoonHawk

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    Apr 01, 2016 6:27 AM GMT
    This is why people as a whple try to vote for the most center minded candidate possible, because extreme right and extreme left are where all the crazies are
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    Apr 01, 2016 11:06 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThis is why people as a whple try to vote for the most center minded candidate possible, because extreme right and extreme left are where all the crazies are


    Unfortunately, we never find that out until after the fact...
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    Apr 02, 2016 2:19 AM GMT
    I don't affiliate myself with either party. Every election I'm forced to choose between the lesser of two evils. In general I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Most of the time I end up voting Democrate because I have nothing in common with tea party whack jobs who want to take all your rights away and impose their moral code on everyone else.
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    Apr 02, 2016 2:43 AM GMT
    I'm a Constitutionalist, which limits the powers of government, not the citizens.

    This also means that neither political party has total control. Beyond the military and foreign affairs, courts, police, fire and local government services, the usefulness of gov't declines rapidly.
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    Apr 02, 2016 5:23 AM GMT
    you_know_its_true saidSocial politics is not linear. We need graphs

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    by no means complete, just the first 20 names I can think of icon_lol.gif


    Haha, pretty accurate at the corners, though it's a bit of a toss-up with the guys closer to the middle. Other than his drawings, theonewhoknocks is actually consistently quite "clean", morally, if you look at his non-violent-porn related posts lmao.
  • metta

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    Apr 02, 2016 5:37 AM GMT
    I grew up in a heavily Republican area with parents that were Republican. When my dad took me to the temporary GOP office next door to one of his offices to register to vote, I still remember that the form already had Republican checked off. I was first a Republican and voted mostly Republican. I became disillusion with them for a variety of reasons, including their anti-gay stances. Then I switched to Independent for about a month or two. Did more research and switched to the Green Party, the ONLY party at the time that openly supported marriage equality, protecting the environment and a national health care system. That was, I think, over 25 years ago. I recently changed a couple months ago to No Party Preference so that I can vote for Sanders in the Primary. I have never been registered as a Democrat.

    While being a Green Party member, I mostly voted for Democrats. I did not even vote for Ralph Nader when he was running under the green party. If Sanders does not win the nomination, I may be voting for the Green Party's Jill Stein...which would be the first time I voted for a Green Party member for President. Kind of funny considering I'm not under the Green Party at the moment.
  • whytehot

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    Apr 05, 2016 12:57 AM GMT
    LMAO... mmtm is racist AND dirty. No wonder he's hidden his profile icon_lol.gif