Who can stop Trump? Republicans may have little choice but to vote Clinton

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    Mar 19, 2016 11:20 AM GMT
    Uh oh

    The party could change convention rules or bring in an independent candidate, but the more realistic (yet unwelcome) option may be to support a Democrat

    A bleak mood has swept over the Grand Old Party in the past 24 hours as the multiple implications of Trump’s latest victory in primary elections on Tuesday have slowly sunk in.

    The first realisation came quickly, as Marco Rubio’s chastening defeat in his home state of Florida forced him to join Jeb Bush, Rand Paul and Chris Christie on the heap of discarded alternatives.

    These once-promising candidates were meant to provide the answer to a problem that has dogged the party for a decade – how to appeal to a US electorate that is growing less white and less traditionally conservative.

    The problem, according not just to conservative activist Erick Erickson, but almost every conservative not directly involved in the Trump campaign, is that the billionaire’s uncompromising rhetoric has alienated a staggering percentage of the people he would need to vote for him in a general election.

    Half of Republican voters tell pollsters they do not know yet whether they could bring themselves to back Trump if he wins their party nomination.

    Many mainstream Republicans who are appalled at Trump’s antics are now realising they could have little alternative but to vote for Hillary Clinton or not vote at all.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/18/stop-donald-trump-presidency-republicans-vote-hillary-clinton
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 19, 2016 2:21 PM GMT
    Mainstream republicans will never vote for that crooked, power hungry whore Clinton so get out of your ultra leftist fantasyland. Trump will crush the Mary Queen of Goldman Sachs in November and hopefully so because the US cannot afford to have this unqualified bitch in the White House. She is only out for her own self aggrandizement and to hell with the American people. She has zero leadership skills as evidenced by her mediocre political career where everything was handed to her on a silver platter.
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    Mar 19, 2016 2:34 PM GMT
    i was at a local dive bar and observed the patrons were very beat up, phucked up. the great recession was not kind to this class of citizens.

    These people are the new Republican party. the under educated, wild west walmart crowd.
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    Mar 19, 2016 2:45 PM GMT
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    The real curious thing is what will be their convention. As much as I dislike the GOP, I'd rather they'd have remained intact than to either morph into whatever this is becoming or to birth whatever this is.

    We always knew they were smarmy as fuck under the surface but at least they had the fortitude to withhold the very worst of them from unleashing upon the world. But that's always been their undercurrent. They dipped into the dark side. Oh, they disguised it as religion, as being uppity, as being self-righteous, as pomposity, as patriotism, but always it was hostility, never from the heart.

    We already knew this about them. Only now they will know what comes bursting through their chest...

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    Mar 19, 2016 3:21 PM GMT
    pellaz saidi was at a local dive bar and observed the patrons were very beat up, phucked up. the great recession was not kind to this class of citizens.

    These people are the new Republican party. the under educated, wild west walmart crowd.
    Well the mainstream democrats are predominately welfare mothers and labor union thugs so pick your poison bunk.icon_wink.gif
  • KissTheSky

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    Mar 20, 2016 1:57 PM GMT
    Most true conservatives cannot bring themselves to vote for Trump.
    It's looking very likely they will run their own candidate on a third-party ticket. Current speculation is it could be Sen. Tom Coburn or Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 20, 2016 2:43 PM GMT
    I'm not sure that the phenomenon that is Trump is stoppable at this point. I've never seen anything quite like this. Our culture has created this perfect storm of Reality TV meets Politics. It's fascinating to watch but it's going to get really REALLY messy as we move into the summer. Glad I don't live in Cleveland.
  • rnch

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    Mar 20, 2016 2:46 PM GMT
    The GOP voters will, with great reluctance, while holding their noses, join the Democrats in electing Hillary Clinton as our next POTUS, giving her a landslide victory.

    There simply is NO logical, sane, rational, experienced GOP/TEA candidate for POTUS available and electable.



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    Mar 20, 2016 2:50 PM GMT
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    Well the mainstream democrats are predominately welfare mothers and labor union thugs so pick your poison bunk.icon_wink.gif

    That's the standard Republican propaganda, and false. There are just as many poor Whites on food stamps and others forms of welfare support. Likewise this labor union thugs lie. First of all you wouldn't have a 2-day weekend in the US, and a 40-hour week (being chipped away by Republicans and their corporate sugar daddies) if it weren't for unions.

    And in many unionized industries, like US auto (foreign makers in this country are avoiding unions by locating factories in worker-hostile Red States), a great number of the employees who benefit from union membership are Black. Hard working and hardly thugs. Oh, wait, they're Black, so in your lexicon that automatically makes them thugs, anyway, the Republican term for virtually any Black.
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    Mar 20, 2016 2:59 PM GMT
    rnch saidThe GOP voters will, with great reluctance, while holding their noses, join the Democrats in electing Hillary Clinton as our next POTUS, giving her a landslide victory.

    There simply is NO logical, sane, rational, experienced GOP/TEA candidate for POTUS available and electable.


    I agree with you if the GOP nominee is Cruz. But Trump is a different animal. Very unpredictable as to how that could play out.
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    Mar 20, 2016 3:00 PM GMT
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    Many mainstream Republicans who are appalled at Trump’s antics are now realising they could have little alternative but to vote for Hillary Clinton or not vote at all.

    You forget the Republican motto: Party before People. If faced with that choice they'll either secretly skip voting for President once at the polling booth, just voting for the other Republican candidates for other offices, or swallow their principles and vote the Party choice for President. I think the majority will vote for Trump, for the good of the Party, to keep any Democrat out of the White House.
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    Mar 20, 2016 3:03 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rnch saidThe GOP voters will, with great reluctance, while holding their noses, join the Democrats in electing Hillary Clinton as our next POTUS, giving her a landslide victory.

    There simply is NO logical, sane, rational, experienced GOP/TEA candidate for POTUS available and electable.


    I agree with you if the GOP nominee is Cruz. But Trump is a different animal. Very unpredictable as to how that could play out.





    I am hoping that Trump is the Republican/TEA party nominee.

    Intelligent, decent, America loving Republicans that I know (yes, my fellow Democrats, these people still exist in the USA, contrary to what is shown on #FoxFeauxNews) will NEVER vote Trump (or Cruz!) into the most important political job in the world.

    As much as Cruz, they consider "President Trump" simply unthinkink-able and unvote-able.
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    Mar 20, 2016 3:37 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI'm not sure that the phenomenon that is Trump is stoppable at this point. I've never seen anything quite like this. Our culture has created this perfect storm of Reality TV meets Politics. It's fascinating to watch but it's going to get really REALLY messy as we move into the summer. Glad I don't live in Cleveland.


    I can agree with you on much of that. Only I'd add that I think it a mistake for Democrats to believe this favors them in the long run as amusing as some might think it to watch from safe distance now.

    I'm not even sure precisely what I mean by that or, rather, more precisely, what that ultimately means. But I'm certain I've seen this before. Not in the details as played out here in politics, but haven't we been experiencing this in the corporate world: this turmoil, this shaking things up, the hostility; and what came of that: centralized authority, employees turned into easily replaceable cogs, disloyalties, lack of security, loss of benefits, exported jobs, lower wages, corporate welfare, the loss of the family farm.

    And so also I'd consider your point: was this created systemically by our culture? This isn't just Reality TV meets Politics--besides that I never watch the crap and though that's a convenient phrase for it--because the dissemination of propaganda is nothing new to politics though it's been honed over the years. I think it is more a case of societal elements nudged towards critical mass. Or would we say that it is our culture which changed the corporate world to feed off us instead of to benefit us?

    Because I think this is more of that. The hopeful difference being that here we have a vote.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 20, 2016 3:45 PM GMT
    theantijock saidI think it is more a case of societal elements nudged towards critical mass. Or would we say that it is our culture which changed the corporate world to feed off us instead of to benefit us?


    I agree
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    Mar 20, 2016 5:35 PM GMT
    The Guardian's wishful thinking aside, this will never happen, for the simple reason that the rules of the GOP, nationally and statewide, whether cast in law, statutes, regulations, or party procedures, preclude it and individual GOPers from supporting or endorsing anyone other than a GOPer, upon pain of removal from the party. The Demos have similar rules, as do most other parties. In the USA, political parties are not state actors, and it is highly unlikely that either the national or any state party would vote to change the rules to allow GOPers to support Billary. I'm surprised the Guardian would consider such a notion; however wrong they may often be, their positions are usually better researched, if not reasoned.
  • Wendigo9

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    Mar 20, 2016 5:53 PM GMT
    Personally I would've supported Ben Carson, american history has always been rich whites in the white house, sad to see him drop out. #racist
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    MGINSD saidThe Guardian's wishful thinking aside, this will never happen, for the simple reason that the rules of the GOP, nationally and statewide, whether cast in law, statutes, regulations, or party procedures, preclude it and individual GOPers from supporting or endorsing anyone other than a GOPer, upon pain of removal from the party.


    The last time I looked, the general election was a secret ballot (or is the GOP planning to surveil the voting booths now?).
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    Mar 20, 2016 9:38 PM GMT
    Wendigo9 saidPersonally I would've supported Ben Carson, american history has always been rich whites in the white house, sad to see him drop out. #racist


    Our current President isn't white though, so I'm pretty sure skin color doesn't matter anymore.
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    Mar 23, 2016 7:55 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidMainstream republicans will never vote for that crooked, power hungry whore Clinton so get out of your ultra leftist fantasyland. Trump will crush the Mary Queen of Goldman Sachs in November and hopefully so because the US cannot afford to have this unqualified bitch in the White House. She is only out for her own self aggrandizement and to hell with the American people. She has zero leadership skills as evidenced by her mediocre political career where everything was handed to her on a silver platter.


    That is purely and simply stupid. There is not a single politician in America that has had to face more venom and bile than Hillary Clinton. If you don't believe me, just look at your own bile-filled post and its gratuitous accusations. "Whore?" Really?
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    Mar 24, 2016 2:08 AM GMT
    Thoughtful and responsible Republicans might vote for Clinton, but Bernie's rabid fans would rather vote for Trump than vote for Clinton.
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    Mar 24, 2016 10:05 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rnch saidThe GOP voters will, with great reluctance, while holding their noses, join the Democrats in electing Hillary Clinton as our next POTUS, giving her a landslide victory.

    There simply is NO logical, sane, rational, experienced GOP/TEA candidate for POTUS available and electable.


    I agree with you if the GOP nominee is Cruz. But Trump is a different animal. Very unpredictable as to how that could play out.
    The republicans are not going to join the democrats in voting for the hapless Hillary ho. The total opposite is going to happen when many democrats will join the republicans in electing Donald Trump President of the United States. Clinton doesn't stand a chance against Trump. The only democrat that can beat Trump is Bernie Sanders. But many democrats in both urban and suburban areas are too goddamned stupid to accept that reality and they keep on being blind sycophants to the Mary Queen of Goldman Sachs.
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    Mar 24, 2016 10:35 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidMainstream republicans will never vote for that crooked, power hungry whore Clinton so get out of your ultra leftist fantasyland. Trump will crush the Mary Queen of Goldman Sachs in November and hopefully so because the US cannot afford to have this unqualified bitch in the White House. She is only out for her own self aggrandizement and to hell with the American people. She has zero leadership skills as evidenced by her mediocre political career where everything was handed to her on a silver platter.


    That is purely and simply stupid. There is not a single politician in America that has had to face more venom and bile than Hillary Clinton. If you don't believe me, just look at your own bile-filled post and its gratuitous accusations. "Whore?" Really?
    No idiot, that is the truth. That woman has had everything handed to her on a silver platter. The Secretary of State position was just given to her by President Obama just to shut her up because she was bitching and crying about her loss to him in the 2008 democratic primaries. Get your head out of your ass.
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    Mar 25, 2016 2:16 AM GMT
    Riiiight President just hands out an important role such as SOS to anyone. Sorry its not another FEMA appointment. If dont believe me post-Brussels attack watch detailed response Hillary Clinton gave vs Bernie or anyone from GOP. This is a woman that has been in WH since 90s, in briefings, in Senate and now Situation Room unlike ALL other candidates.

    But you're correct...she was just "handed" the role for shits and giggles.

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    roadbikeRob saidMainstream republicans will never vote for that crooked, power hungry whore Clinton so get out of your ultra leftist fantasyland. Trump will crush the Mary Queen of Goldman Sachs in November and hopefully so because the US cannot afford to have this unqualified bitch in the White House. She is only out for her own self aggrandizement and to hell with the American people. She has zero leadership skills as evidenced by her mediocre political career where everything was handed to her on a silver platter.


    That is purely and simply stupid. There is not a single politician in America that has had to face more venom and bile than Hillary Clinton. If you don't believe me, just look at your own bile-filled post and its gratuitous accusations. "Whore?" Really?
    No idiot, that is the truth. That woman has had everything handed to her on a silver platter. The Secretary of State position was just given to her by President Obama just to shut her up because she was bitching and crying about her loss to him in the 2008 democratic primaries. Get your head out of your ass.
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    Mar 25, 2016 5:10 AM GMT
    rnch saidThe GOP voters will, with great reluctance, while holding their noses, join the Democrats in electing Hillary Clinton as our next POTUS, giving her a landslide victory.

    There simply is NO logical, sane, rational, experienced GOP/TEA candidate for POTUS available and electable.



    I do recall that being said about Reagan. No matter who the GOP candidate is - it will be a better choice than any Clinton. The choice is made.




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    Mar 25, 2016 6:09 AM GMT
    The rush of liberals go to TRUMP and the saggy old conservatives rush to snobby hilliary. A twist.....why? THEY ARE ALL AFRAID! Yup....hahahhaa fuck the establishment political bullshit