American AUTHORITARIANISM: just a poli-sci theory on Trump rally violence, or part of a global slippery slope?

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    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/14/11224216/authoritarianism-trump-rallies-violence
    Donald Trump's rallies have a violence problem. But it's not a matter of fringe incidents or unwelcome hooligans tarnishing Trump's image. It's a problem that starts with Trump himself, that's been going on for a while, and that's getting worse.

    For the majority of Americans who are not Donald Trump supporters, the idea of a leading political candidate inciting violence against protesters — and being cheered for it — seems shocking. Where did this embrace of mob violence come from? Why does it seem that many of Trump's supporters not only tolerate but welcome and embrace his rhetoric?

    It's another version of the same question many Americans have been asking for the past year: How is this happening in the United States?

    Much of the answer can be found in academic research into political behavior that political scientists refer to as authoritarianism. According to this theory, authoritarians are a group of voters who prize order and conformity, and feel deeply threatened by social change, influxes of outsiders, and hierarchies being upended. When threatened, authoritarians support strongman leaders who promise drastic, decisive action to cast out outsiders and restore order.

    This theory goes a long way to explaining what's happening at these rallies...

    ... Fomenting and supporting violence against the protesters is a way for Trump to show authoritarian voters that he can be the kind of leader they crave...

    This theory's implications might help explain what's happening with the violence and incitement at Trump rallies, but they also offer a warning: That violent atmosphere isn't an unintended offshoot of Trump's rhetoric, but rather it appears likely to be core to his appeal and to the motivations and desires of his support base. That suggests that this week's violence may not be an aberration but rather a harbinger...

    ...They gravitate toward leaders who promise to target "out-groups," such as immigrants or minorities, telling their supporters that this out-group is responsible for the threats they perceive and promising to take decisive action to remove or suppress that threat....

    Vox's polling supported that theory, and seemed to demonstrate that authoritarianism helps explain not just Trump's rise but why his extreme policies and rhetoric were proving so popular....

    ...authoritarians see the protesters as not just hecklers, but as representatives of a much larger and terrifying threat to the world as they know it....

    ...The study of authoritarianism tell us that authoritarians will respond to this perceived threat by desiring a strongman leader who will promise a heavy-handed response...

    So when Trump implicitly condones or even encourages violence in response to the protesters, what authoritarians hear is something like a reassuring promise: I understand the scale of the threats that no one else sees, and I alone have the strength to do what is necessary to put down that threat. This is, after all, the same promise Trump makes when he says he will wall up the border or conduct mass deportations.

    ...it also explains why Trump is actively encouraging that violence: It is an obvious way to show his authoritarian supporters that he is the kind of leader they crave...


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    Mar 21, 2016 3:06 AM GMT
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/03/09/trumps-voters-arent-authoritarians-new-research-says-so-what-are-they/
    Trump’s voters aren’t authoritarians, new research says. So what are they?

    Instead, Trump’s supporters are distinctive in another way: They are true populists.

    What’s the difference between authoritarians and populists?

    Authoritarianism and populism are easy to conflate, but they actually refer to very distinct tendencies.

    Authoritarianism, as understood by political psychologists, refers to a set of personality traits that seek order, clarity and stability. Authoritarians have little tolerance for deviance. They’re highly obedient to strong leaders. They scapegoat outsiders and demand conformity to traditional norms.

    Populism, on the other hand, is a type of political rhetoric that casts a virtuous “people” against nefarious elites and strident outsiders. Scholars measure populism in a variety of ways, but we focus on three central elements:
    •Belief that a few elites have absconded with the rightful sovereignty of the people;
    •Deep mistrust of any group that claims expertise;
    •Strong nationalist identity

    Of course, authoritarians and populists can overlap and share dark tendencies toward nativism, racism and conspiracism. But they do have profoundly different perceptions of authority. Populists see themselves in opposition to elites of all kinds. Authoritarians see themselves as aligned with those in charge.

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    Mar 21, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
    The so-called "violence problem" is one caused and aggravated by Trump's opponents, including those naive young things who've yet to understand that in our system of ordered liberty under the rule of law, all sides are entitle to peacefully express their views. Repeating the mischaracterization of who does what at Trump's rallies - provided they're allowed to proceed - doesn't make it so, Herr Doktor Goebbels, and not all the pictures in the world will do so, either. Versteht?
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    Mar 21, 2016 6:12 PM GMT
    You are so full of shit, pool turd. Isn't it time for your swim?

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    Mar 21, 2016 6:22 PM GMT
    theantijock saidYou are so full of shit, pool turd. Isn't it time for your swim?

    Right on cue, and yes, today is a long-course day. Time for your meds, or have you gone completely off them?
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    Mar 21, 2016 6:41 PM GMT
    Bernie is a non contender. Trump is a freak. Hillary, as much as I loathe her, well, there you go. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 21, 2016 7:27 PM GMT
    There are many American fans of WWE and Jerry Springer. I just wonder what the IQ level of these fans are and or their own tendencies towards violence, these people are obviously Trump followers, why has this not come forward on mainstream media icon_confused.gificon_rolleyes.gif


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    If we are voting based on IQ, I would rather have this guy as my president, at least this man admits he is a Atheist, runs as and was elected governor, as an Independent icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Mar 21, 2016 7:44 PM GMT
    The people in charge of the US which half of them we don't even know about because the president is a puppet for the ruling business people, they have caused the violence at the Trump rallies because they are scared witless of their criminality and loss of control so are causing as much trouble for him as possible so they can keep manipulating the public, economy and world affairs, if Trump gets in which I think he could but as I expect with what happened in Florida with the total rigging of the Bush election so he could become president, that could easily happen with him so that he doesn't get in as president, although I don't agree with everything he says, he does actually care about all people and the country.
    I still don't know how he hasn't been assassinated yet. He has turned $1m, into several billion, do you not think he could turn the country around given the chance?
    Also he wants to expose 911 for what it really was and who really did it.
    The Bush's and Clintons amongst others have to go to prison for what they have done.
    The establishment are crapping their pants because of Trump.
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    Mar 21, 2016 7:49 PM GMT
    Jesse Ventura knows what is going on and is a moral guy, he knows about the FEEMA camps and the hundreds of thousands of coffins all waiting to be used.
    Look it up if you don't believe me, he has tried to expose all that over the internet.
    If you want to know whats really going on, listen to Info Wars, Alex Jones on youtube podcast most nights
    You won't hear the truth on mainstream news
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    Mar 21, 2016 9:29 PM GMT
    http://qz.com/643497/we-are-witnessing-the-rise-of-global-authoritarianism-on-a-chilling-scale/
    We are witnessing the rise of global authoritarianism...

    Many have observed the authoritarianism underlying the campaign of US presidential hopeful Donald J. Trump, most vividly brought into relief by the attempts to quash protest, to muzzle the press, to stoke violent confrontations, and to deny culpability for any of it. The Harvard scholar Pippa Norris has recently warned that Trump is part of a larger pattern in the West, citing radical populists like France’s Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.

    But in fact authoritarianism is on the rise nearly everywhere...

    ...the international authoritarian moment can be explained by three interconnected factors: the globalization of the economy and the emergence of gargantuan, non-state multinational corporate actors; the globalization of conflict, as manifest in the Long War (on Terror); and the globalization of crisis, as with public health and environmental threats....

    Trends dating back decades, but really coalescing in the 1990s, have helped to weave together the global economy and make each country more interconnected and interdependent than ever before....to create sprawling, multinational corporate entities...of their unimaginable reach and power...unaccountable...not even that of the United States, has the ability to provide true oversight over them...

    ...people the world over are feeling increasingly anxious. They have sensed a loss of control over their lives and the conditions that inform their communities...

    ...Public health threats like Ebola and Zika coupled with terrifying weather conditions have further amplified the sense that forces beyond anyone’s control could destroy us at any moment....

    ...All of this has left people fearful that their better days are behind them. They feel a distinct loss of sovereignty—of nation, of community, and of self. This fear has perhaps been most acute amongst the historically powerful and largely middle class communities in each region...Enter the populists who promise to make things right through brutal efficiency and an iron fist...

    ...The problems outlined here are systemic, global, and amorphous. They are solvable, but not easily, and not immediately. It is much easier to find someone to blame...Trump on Muslims and Hispanics. Putin on Ukrainians. Erdoğan on Kurds. And the list goes on. The slope from here to scapegoating all dissenters as “enemies of the state” is proving frighteningly slippery...

    Because what we are witnessing is of transnational scope, focusing on Trump, or on any particular leader, misses the forest for the trees. The confluence of forces described above have created the perfect conditions for authoritarianism to seem useful, helpful, and even necessary. Particular individuals have opportunistically made their moves, some securing power, some holding on to it, and others seeking it. Trump and leaders of his ilk are only feeding the demons. To this extent, it does not matter whether the Republican frontrunner wins or loses the presidential election in America; he will have already helped nurture and empower the US branch of a disambiguated, international authoritarian movement. And that should give us all pause.

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    Mar 22, 2016 12:09 AM GMT
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/03/11/its-not-just-trump-authoritarian-populism-is-rising-across-the-west-heres-why/
    It’s not just Trump. Authoritarian populism is rising across the West. Here’s why.

    ...Trump...fits the wave of authoritarian populists whose support has swelled in many Western democracies...

    ...There’s been an increase in populist figures throughout the West over the past two decades...

    ...Some populist leaders and parties rise temporarily in opinion polls then plummet equally rapidly...But even flash parties can infect the political culture and mainstream parties...

    ...These parties steal votes mainly from the center right. Populist appeals also draw support from certain characteristics associated with the center left, especially by appealing predominately to men, the less educated, and the economically marginalized...

    The standard economic account explains populism as arising when growing inequality and social exclusion mobilize the dispossessed. But populist authoritarian leaders have arisen in several affluent post-industrial “knowledge” societies, in cradle-to-grave welfare states with some of the best-educated and most secure populations in the world, like Sweden and Denmark — where you’d expect social tolerance and liberal attitudes instead of xenophobic appeals.

    Some observers have offered U.S.-based explanations for Trump in particular, arguing that his popularity is a reaction to the election (and reelection) of the first African-American president to the White House; a backlash against Obama’ policies and style; public anger against fat cats in elections; or the tea party tilt pushing House Republicans to the right. But populists have gained in many modern democracies without any of this.

    Why is angry populism on the rise?

    Here’s why. Populist authoritarianism can best be explained as a cultural backlash in Western societies against long-term, ongoing social change.

    Over recent decades, the World Values Survey shows that Western societies have been getting gradually more liberal on many social issues, especially among the younger generation and well-educated middle class. That includes egalitarian attitudes toward sex roles, tolerance of fluid gender identities and LGBT rights, support for same-sex marriage, tolerance of diversity, and more secular values, as well as what political scientists call emancipative values, engagement in directly assertive forms of democratic participation, and cosmopolitan support for agencies of global governance.

    This long-term generational shift threatens many traditionalists’ cultural values. Less educated and older citizens fear becoming marginalized and left behind within their own countries.

    ...Most remarkably, by the most recent wave in 2011, almost half — 44 percent — of U.S. non-college graduates approved of having a strong leader unchecked by elections and Congress.

    This deeply disturbing finding reflects attitudes usually observed in states such as Russia
    ....


    The Republican Party has prepared the way for an authoritarian movement

    By giving voice to and amplifying fears of cultural change, the Republicans have opened the way for a populist leader...

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    Mar 22, 2016 12:33 AM GMT
    The article nails it. On the political forums on bodybuilding.com, the trait that is most admired by the conservatives there is the "Alpha", which at best means "authoritarian". Most of them consider themselves to be Alpha, and love Trump because that's how they view him.

    I say they are responding to a bully, and anyone who has a differing point of view is considered a weak "beta", to whom they usually respond with homosexual epithets. Seems like projection to me.

    I think this positive response to authoritarians is why conservatism and religious fundamentalism seem to go hand in hand. They all like father-figures.

    If I had to say what distinguishes liberals from conservatives most of all, it would be this.
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    Hypertrophile saidThe article nails it. On the political forums on bodybuilding.com, the trait that is most admired by the conservatives there is the "Alpha", which at best means "authoritarian". Most of them consider themselves to be Alpha, and love Trump because that's how they view him.

    I say they are responding to a bully, and anyone who has a differing point of view is considered a weak "beta", to whom they usually respond with homosexual epithets. Seems like projection to me.

    I think this positive response to authoritarians is why conservatism and religious fundamentalism seem to go hand in hand. They all like father-figures.

    If I had to say what distinguishes liberals from conservatives most of all, it would be this.


    I thought all three articles pretty good. The first looking at it from very current application, the second showing the overlap of populism with authoritarianism and the third article I really liked by that Pippa Norris. Real smart.

    With the understanding of those perspectives, it makes a lot of sense that while some of their support might have come from already right-leaning Democrats who feel disenfranchised not simply by the Democratic Party but by the entirety of preexisting politics, their core emanates from within the Republican Party which was its lair & now its womb.

    Now the question: Will mother Republican embrace her child to fuck the world...

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    or finally realize who she fucked...

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    Mar 22, 2016 3:19 PM GMT
    interestingchap saidThe people in charge of the US which half of them we don't even know about because the president is a puppet for the ruling business people, they have caused the violence at the Trump rallies because they are scared witless of their criminality and loss of control so are causing as much trouble for him as possible so they can keep manipulating the public, economy and world affairs, if Trump gets in which I think he could but as I expect with what happened in Florida with the total rigging of the Bush election so he could become president, that could easily happen with him so that he doesn't get in as president, although I don't agree with everything he says, he does actually care about all people and the country.
    I still don't know how he hasn't been assassinated yet. He has turned $1m, into several billion, do you not think he could turn the country around given the chance?
    Also he wants to expose 911 for what it really was and who really did it.
    The Bush's and Clintons amongst others have to go to prison for what they have done.
    The establishment are crapping their pants because of Trump.


    "He has turned $1m, into several billion, do you not think he could turn the country around given the chance?"

    ??? The very most sceptical figure that we have of Trump's assets is that in 1974 his proportion of the company owned by his father was $40 million. That's in 1974! He inherited a vast fortune and more than one source has calculated that he would have been better to have put the money in the stock market.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 22, 2016 11:42 PM GMT
    I think it's funny that people are turned on by Trump's supposed anti-establishment campaign.

    He is part of the establishment. He doesn't take special interest money because he's part of the special interests. He's not in someone's pockets. Others are in his. There's no difference, except he's dangerous particularly in the area of foreign policy.
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    Mar 23, 2016 9:29 PM GMT
    Hypertrophile saidI think it's funny that people are turned on by Trump's supposed anti-establishment campaign.

    He is part of the establishment. He doesn't take special interest money because he's part of the special interests. He's not in someone's pockets. Others are in his. There's no difference, except he's dangerous particularly in the area of foreign policy.


    I'd not heard it expressed like that before but it rang true on reading. And it goes to another post on another thread where the poster said that Trump speaks truth and my response there was that some truth can hide a bigger truth.

    Your observation of not being in the pocket but of being the pocket speaks exactly to that point. This is not only typical of a con man, but also characteristic of a pathological liar who will use some truth to fabricate a fiction.
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    Mar 24, 2016 11:02 PM GMT
    Hypertrophile saidI think it's funny that people are turned on by Trump's supposed anti-establishment campaign.

    He is part of the establishment. He doesn't take special interest money because he's part of the special interests. He's not in someone's pockets. Others are in his. There's no difference, except he's dangerous particularly in the area of foreign policy.
    He is much more anti establishment than the hapless Hillary ho along with all the other crooked, entrenched, establishment politicians.