Father of Modern Conservatism Barry Goldwater's Family is Against Donald Trump -- voting instead for Hillary

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    Mar 21, 2016 10:05 PM GMT
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    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/barry-goldwater-s-family-against-donald-trump-n542506
    PARADISE VALLEY, Arizona — Donald Trump's political rise has inspired comparisons to the turbulent summer of 1964, when Barry Goldwater became the original angry outsider, accused of riding fear and racial resentment to the Republican nomination.

    But Goldwater's widow and eldest son are as appalled by Trump as the establishment was appalled by Goldwater in 1964. Maybe more so. They see Trump as a "cowboy" and an "authoritarian" — not to mention irrational, unprincipled and a symptom of a lost party.

    They won't vote for any of the remaining Republican presidential candidates in 2016. And they don't believe Goldwater would either...

    ...She plans to vote for Hillary Clinton and, she continued, a lot of her friends from the Goldwater era are too. They think the Republican field has come unhinged and drifted hard-right, and, yes, she knows that's what they used to say about her late husband, the so-called father of modern conservatism....

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    Mar 23, 2016 5:02 AM GMT
    Who cares?lol
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    Mar 25, 2016 1:46 AM GMT
    Some years ago in California a Democrat who was very radical and unacceptable to most Democrats was nominated for the state legislature. As a result, officials in the Democratic party recommended voting for the Republican.

    Similarly Republicans should not feel compelled to vote Republican if a Republican candidate is completely unacceptable.
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    Mar 25, 2016 4:33 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidSome years ago in California a Democrat who was very radical and unacceptable to most Democrats was nominated for the state legislature. As a result, officials in the Democratic party recommended voting for the Republican.

    Similarly Republicans should not feel compelled to vote Republican if a Republican candidate is completely unacceptable.


    By their party history, I was surprised to read Goldwater's widow endorse Hillary over anything that party has to offer.

    Though if I were in that situation, were the opposing team not against my basic human rights, I'd be able to do that too. I did have occasion to vote Republican in my earliest participatory life before our Gay issues were much on the table. Or, rather, before being pushed off the table. But that probably only lasted about two years out of high school until Anita started gay bashing us. That made me quite leery of Republicans and then I think it was since Reagan's non response to the AIDS crisis that I've not once since voted for them.

    It was bad enough that they'd stop us from gaining our rights, perhaps they were confused; but they'd also just let us die? Message received.

    And as their Red platform stands, the best I could do, and I have, is to abstain from voting when my Blue party's candidate has not met minimal standards. Which when it comes down sometimes to voting for the least of the two evils sometimes anyway, my God, but that's a horrid statement I hate making.

    The last I abstained was when the Florida Democrats ran that opportunCrist. Hard to imagine him having been terrible enough to have voted Scott. But then, now we have Trump, so I guess ya never know how bad things can get no matter what horror you think you've known.

    Even while hell is a long way down, it throws a long shadow.
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    Mar 26, 2016 10:48 AM GMT
    A couple of my Republican friends, who are moderates, can't seem to abide Donald Trump either. They're beginning to wonder whether the Republican party hasn't lost its focus and is veering too far to the right. I remember reading that Julie Nixon Eisenhower, President Nixon's daughter, supported Barack Obama in his last election. And Ron Reagan and Patti Davis, Ronnie's and Nancy's children, I hear vote Democratic. I've heard that many Republican millenials will be voting for Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee as a protest against Donald Trump if he is the Republicans' choice.
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    Mar 27, 2016 4:11 PM GMT
    Corrected headline:

    "Father of Modern Conservatism Barry Goldwater's Widow is Against Donald Trump -- voting instead for Hillary"

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    Mar 27, 2016 8:47 PM GMT
    this is just more proof that HRC is more republican than Democrat.

    she's a lying big business defense hawk who's used to stepping on the throats of anybody in her way to get to the top.

    money money money, power power power. and lies through her teeth

    both parties are getting shit candidates for november. prepare to embrace the suck of at least 4 yrs of oppression and chaos.

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    Mar 27, 2016 10:29 PM GMT
    thadjock saidthis is just more proof that HRC is more republican than Democrat...


    That's not just Hillary. Obama was too conservative for me as well. The whole Democratic Party has moved too far over to the right. Which they did to survive as the extreme right Republican Wile E. Coyotes were stepping off their cliff, thinking themselves too good for gravity.

    The question now is does the left hoist slowly for what of them can be salvaged, or either shift gears quickly or slam on the brakes and let the Republican rope snap. Only we don't know what might arise from pile of pulp. Could be something ugly.
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    Mar 27, 2016 10:52 PM GMT
    Cutlass saidA couple of my Republican friends, who are moderates, can't seem to abide Donald Trump either. They're beginning to wonder whether the Republican party hasn't lost its focus and is veering too far to the right. I remember reading that Julie Nixon Eisenhower, President Nixon's daughter, supported Barack Obama in his last election. And Ron Reagan and Patti Davis, Ronnie's and Nancy's children, I hear vote Democratic. I've heard that many Republican millenials will be voting for Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee as a protest against Donald Trump if he is the Republicans' choice.


    About three years ago I belatedly changed my party registration from Republican to Democrat after being a life-long Republican. My brother and sister did the same thing completely independently. Even before changing my registration I hadn't voted Republican for several years.

    In 2007 I was at the national convention in Denver of the Log Cabin Republican Club. I was very disappointed to learn that they had a Ronald Reagan award because it was under the Reagan administration that many of our current problems began.
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    Mar 27, 2016 10:57 PM GMT
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    thadjock saidthis is just more proof that HRC is more republican than Democrat...


    That's not just Hillary. Obama was too conservative for me as well. The whole Democratic Party has moved too far over to the right. Which they did to survive as the extreme right Republican Wile E. Coyotes were stepping off their cliff, thinking themselves too good for gravity.

    The question now is does the left hoist slowly for what of them can be salvaged, or either shift gears quickly or slam on the breaks and let the Republican rope snap. Only we don't know what might arise from pile of pulp. Could be something ugly.


    A slight correction: Probably you meant to write "slam on the brakes" rather than "slam on the breaks".

    As you seem to have noticed, the Republican party has pulled the Democratic party rightward.
  • musclmed

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    Mar 27, 2016 11:19 PM GMT
    You are free to listen to whomever you like. But if anyone thinks of themselves as informed should really think twice before taking on faith what the children and grandchildren of a political figure long dead. Even the "spouse".

    We dont have kings or royalty in this country. So unless the child or relative is politically active then the endorsement is almost meaningless.

    I am wondering why no one is denouncing Hilary for not renouncing the endorsement. Goldwater was thought of as a racist. The reason is at least here is just like a court room the Op and others believe about 1/10 of what they post. They have an agenda. And its easily exposed.

    Why in hell would they parade around the fact that "Goldwater would vote for Hillary"..... Bizarre.
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    Mar 28, 2016 1:53 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    theantijock said
    thadjock saidthis is just more proof that HRC is more republican than Democrat...


    That's not just Hillary. Obama was too conservative for me as well. The whole Democratic Party has moved too far over to the right. Which they did to survive as the extreme right Republican Wile E. Coyotes were stepping off their cliff, thinking themselves too good for gravity.

    The question now is does the left hoist slowly for what of them can be salvaged, or either shift gears quickly or slam on the breaks and let the Republican rope snap. Only we don't know what might arise from pile of pulp. Could be something ugly.


    A slight correction: Probably you meant to write "slam on the brakes" rather than "slam on the breaks".

    As you seem to have noticed, the Republican party has pulled the Democratic party rightward.


    What I get no breaks? Correction made.

    Noticed? At times it nearly had me going Green Party but I think the Democrats maybe can find their way home. Certainly Bernie would help get us there.

    A political ship turns slow (Bernie) but sinks fast (Trump).