Bernie Sanders is no more a Democrat than Donald Trump is a Republican. Wadduathunk?

  • rnch

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    Mar 22, 2016 2:40 PM GMT
    Your thoughts, please.
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    Mar 22, 2016 3:13 PM GMT
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    No so. Not in the slightest. To compare Bernie to Trump thus is an absolute absurdity.

    Bernie embodies the true direction for a Democratic Party which has lost its way in trying to keep up with the Republican Joneses. A true Democrat can embrace Bernie.

    Trump is an aberration that would disgust a true Republican. The idiot Republicans on RJ hang on to him because that's all they've got. But Trump is nothing more than the flotsam of the Republican party crashing into the rocks and the jetsam of their tossing anything overboard that might keep them afloat.

    Bernie is deliberation. Trump is desperation.
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    Mar 22, 2016 3:53 PM GMT
    not altogether good
    Trump has re branded the republican party the party for the under educated.

    Sanders is cannon fodder.
  • rnch

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    Mar 22, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
    pellaz saidnot altogether good
    Trump has re branded the republican party the party for the under educated.

    Sanders is cannon fodder.





    How would you describe "Cannon Fodder?"
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    Mar 22, 2016 8:10 PM GMT
    rnch saidYour thoughts, please.

    Sanders built his Senate campaigns on convincing voters that he isn't a Democrat and distancing himself from Democratic Party positions. But saying rather that he's an Independent Socialist.

    Now that he needs a major political party in order to make a credible Presidential run, he miraculously becomes a Democrat. I'm just surprised Party rules and its leadership permitted this chameleon game. It was one thing to let him caucus with Senate Democrats (which I also thought was a mistake), but the Dems were willing in order to have a better chance of getting his vote on the Senate floor. Versus Sanders going over to the Republican side, with the parties close in numbers.

    As for Trump, he's played both political parties, as many business people in real estate do. Trump was never comfortable with either party, his political views too scatter-brained and inconsistent. But like many rich people he's a self-serving bigot, as his statements on the campaign trail have shown.

    Which was to be expected when he was merely concerned with his own business interests, and trying to find which party would give him the best deal at the moment. But as the political & moral leader of a world democracy he is totally unfit, dressed in any party's cloak. Although his inherent personal bigotry, lack of US Constitutional understanding and respect, and resorting to mob tactics, make him a natural fit for the Republicans.

    They can have him, and keep him. May Trump's legacy haunt the Republican Party for a generation.
  • rnch

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    Mar 23, 2016 5:30 PM GMT
    IMO both Sanders and Trump are independents; not really supporting either major political party, and should be running as independents.



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    Mar 23, 2016 5:54 PM GMT
    Trump is a true Republican. Sanders is a pseudo-Democrat with decidedly left-wing liberal leanings.
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    Mar 23, 2016 5:59 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidTrump is a true Republican. Sanders is a pseudo-Democrat with decidedly left-wing, liberal leanings Socialist beliefs.

    Much better.
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    Mar 23, 2016 7:57 PM GMT
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/23/bernie-sanders-democrat/
    ...So can Sanders accurately claim to be unaffiliated with a political party while still running for the Democratic nomination and sometimes calling himself a Democrat?

    It may seem oxymoronic, but yes, he can.

    ...Sanders’ electoral history places him firmly in the independent camp, but also shows that he has been gradually moving away from the far left....

    ...Liberty Union Party co-founder Peter Diamondstone doesn’t buy Sanders’ claims to independence. He told the Daily Caller that Sanders "became a full-time Democrat" in 1984, when he campaigned for Democratic presidential candidate Walter Mondale...

    ...Sanders lobbied for admission into the Democratic caucus for practical reasons (getting coveted committee assignments, mustering votes for bills), according to news reports from his first year in Congress. But party leaders wouldn’t let him join as he refused to become a Democrat.

    So in 1991, Sanders along with four liberal Democrats founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus and he became its chairman. During his second year in office, Sanders continued to agitate and criticize Democrats, lumping them in with Republicans and call both parties’ tax proposals "grossly inadequate."

    At some point, Sanders began to win the goodwill of Democratic leadership, all the while refusing to join the party.

    A month before he was re-elected to a third term in 1994, House Democrats blessed his claim for a leadership role on one of his committees...a spokesperson for his Republican opponent called Sanders "an adjunct to the Democratic Party" according to the Washington Post.

    The party backed Sanders’ 1996 re-election bid over one of their own. Burlington lawyer and Democrat Jack Long, after being informed that the party was committed to Sanders...

    By 1997, Sanders was still not a member of the House Democratic Caucus nor a Democrat. But he voted with the party more often than the average Democrat (95 percent of the time opposed to 80 percent). Keeping good to their promise, Democratic leadership gave Sanders a subcommittee chairmanship over a freshman Democrat.

    When he ran for the Senate a decade later in 2006, still as an independent, the party worked to stop Democratic candidates from running against him, and he was endorsed by numerous state and national Democrats.

    ...political affiliation in the United States is a matter of self-identification, in both the governing system and the party organizations...

    ...Sanders listed the Democratic Party as his party affiliation in his statement of candidacy...

    ...In November, Sanders announced that he was full-fledged Democrat and declared as a Democrat in New Hampshire...

    ...One thing is clear: Sanders isn’t enthusiastic about being part of the Democratic club, or any club for that matter.

    "He was never really a party guy," Guma, the author of the book on Sanders’ legacy in Vermont, told the Daily Beast. "His career was to be a voice and a candidate."

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