"I Want You (to be a) Log Cabin Republican"

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 08, 2007 8:11 PM GMT
    You are at a party and a friend of yours walks up and introduces you to someone who is a Log Cabin Republican. He recites the merits of being a member of the organization and asks you if you would be willing to come to their meeting next week. Your response?

    BTW, I'm a conservative democrat fiscally, liberal on social issues... pretty open minded... but I wouldn't be here. He wouldn't want me at a meeting... I'd listen, but he'd consider me a sarcastic @&*! I'd be asking HIM to explain himself in no uncertain terms....
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    Oct 08, 2007 9:40 PM GMT
    I think I'd say something along the lines of "Thank you, but no, I believe that we would disagree on some issues."

    If he pressed you for more information I'd tell him that I'd "rather not discuss politics", but that "the weather was today wasn't it"?

    Or you could go the Whitney Houston route, "Hell to the no." Depends on how sarcastic you want to be in the moment...

    I was always told that one shouldn't discuss politics and religion with acquaintances as those topics can most easily lead to uncomfortable misunderstandings.
  • jarhead5536

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    Oct 08, 2007 10:53 PM GMT
    Speaking as a former LCR, you should politely decline and change the subject. I won't say bad things about people that aren't here to defend themselves, but think about adjectives like "misguided", "naive", and "willfully ignorant."
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    Oct 08, 2007 10:54 PM GMT
    I give him one of these bumper stickers for his SUV:
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    Oct 08, 2007 11:17 PM GMT
    Being as pervy as heterosexual Republicans, the LCR boys are great sex. Really.
  • Starboard

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    Oct 08, 2007 11:27 PM GMT
    I'm not a Republican, but I would accept the invitation just because I enjoy politics and I usally have A LOT of free time to kill.

    If the guy was a hot, pervy Log Cabin Republican I would offer to pay for gas and bring an appetizer.

    I have a lot of liberal friends (and family members) who freak out when I tell them that I watch Fox News. How can you consider yourself politically informed if you do not expose yourself to different points of view?
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    Oct 08, 2007 11:32 PM GMT
    Id have to make it a combination of all thoes. "HAHA! HELL TO THE NO THANK YOU! I'm sure we would disagree on quite a bit, but let's not spoil a good night with politics. More shrimp Cocktail?"

    Yeah I'd rather die than be a LCR. I was the President for my college's young democrats. I'd have to say I'm a Clintonian Democrat. Very maybe even Anally Conservative when it comes to Money and issues of the sort (taxes, WELFARE!, wage, etc.) but I'm very socially liberal. I don't mind helping people out when they hit rock bottom so long as they are working to pick themselves up and honestly I see no problem with universal health care so long as I can keep what insurance I had if I were still covered by my mom's insurance since that was pretty amazing insurance. I'll be back on it when I start up school again.

    I did meet a few actually the president of one college's chapter. Absolute hottie and we got a long quite a bit but yeah... anyone that thinks Bush is the next Regan is uh... nuts!
  • Starboard

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    Oct 08, 2007 11:41 PM GMT
    I don't think that even the most rabid Republicans consider Bush the next Reagan.
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    Oct 08, 2007 11:43 PM GMT
    Just to be fair, I would first explain my point of political view. If he still insisted, I would quietly turn and walk away, because I'm neither Democrat nor Republican. I prefer to think for myself. After all, we, as "gays", have enough labels placed on us already. Oh, and the house next door to my childhood home was a log cabin (raised on a farm)...they're only pretty in pictures, not in real life. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 08, 2007 11:46 PM GMT
    Since I don't know exactly what the LCR stand for, I would ask him to give a brief idea. Then I would decide and tell him my decision.
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    Oct 08, 2007 11:48 PM GMT
    LCR = Log Cabin Repugnican
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    Oct 09, 2007 12:21 AM GMT
    HndsmKansanhe'd consider me a sarcastic @&*!


    Don't go to it if you know you're just going to be unhappy and sarcastic. It would be a waste of your (and their) time.

    If you are open to new ideas, or are good friends with the person who invited you, I'd definitely give it a try. What do you have to lose by going to a meeting? It'd just be people talking about things they are concerned about, and care about. What's wrong with that?

    I think its very close-minded to flatly deny participating in a group or activity without first giving it a chance. Who knows, you may have more in common with them than you think!

    I consider myself to be a conservative (gasp!), but I also have gone to speeches given by Al Gore and John Kerry, among others. No group of people is all good/bad.icon_smile.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 09, 2007 12:40 AM GMT
    Well there Twisterguy.... I never said I wouldn't visit with the LCR or be sarcastic... I said he would probably consider me sarcastic for questioning his views...

    At the gym I visit (and am very friendly with) a straight guy who is a conservative right winger..and makes comments all the time. I listen, ask questions and I believe he probably has no idea I am a 180 from that kind of view. He has no idea where I come from other than I am informed on many issues. By my being sarcastic to him directly would only cause tension.. and we do get along, so why?
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    Oct 09, 2007 12:41 AM GMT
    You're not obliged to go to the meeting. But don't let anyone tell you that a couple can't be split politically. A great pair of friends (together for 10 years) are definitely split, but respectful. The republican is actually past president of the Georgia LCR, and the nicest guy I know--not in any way stereotypical republican. Another good friend is the VP currently. I've thought about whether it would work well with a conservative and I haven't had the opportunity to try it out yet. Hell, haven't had much of an opportunity with anyone lately.
  • DiverScience

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    Oct 09, 2007 1:31 AM GMT
    "Considering I'm a card carrying pinko liberal hippie tree hugging homosexual democratic socialist? Mmm... it might not be the best idea. I'd be happy to discuss things rationally with you, but I don't think I'd add anything to your meeting as a whole."
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    Oct 09, 2007 1:49 AM GMT
    From the Wikipedia article on Log Cabin Republicans

    "Platform
    The Log Cabin stresses its loyalty to the Republican Party: "We are loyal Republicans," its website says. "We believe in low taxes, limited government, strong defense, free markets, personal responsibility, and individual liberty. Log Cabin represents an important part of the American family—taxpaying, hard working people who proudly believe in this nation's greatness." They take no position on abortion.

    But Log Cabin dissents from socially conservative Republican views on matters relating to gay and lesbian rights. "We also believe all Americans have the right to liberty, freedom, and equality," it says. "Log Cabin stands up against those who preach hatred and intolerance. We stand up for the idea that all Americans deserve to be treated equally—regardless of their sexual orientation."


    Log Cabin's criticism of President Bush
    The 1992 Log Cabin Republican convention was held in The Woodlands, Texas, a Houston exurb. It was the first time LCR had such a large presence of the major national press at a convention. The big issue was whether or not LCR would endorse the re-election of President George H. W. Bush. The group voted to deny that endorsement, based on the 1992 Republican National Convention that preceded it in Houston.[5]

    Although Log Cabin supported the election of George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election, in September of 2004 LCR's board voted to withhold its endorsement of President George Bush's re-election, Bush's support of Federal Marriage Amendment being one of the significant reasons,..."

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    Well, maybe if the Republican Party splits, they can stay with the moderates and have some influence.

    I think I would accept the invitation so that I could ask why they try to influence the Republican Party on Gay issues, instead of influencing the Democratic Party on their other conservative issues. If they helped get the Dems elected, at least they could achieve their Gay rights issues.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 09, 2007 1:55 AM GMT
    I appreciate your expedience with regard to researching the background of the LCR, Caslon. I wondered if all here would know what the organization is, when I placed the topic.
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    Oct 09, 2007 2:12 AM GMT
    Wikipedia article cited aboveWe believe in low taxes, limited government, strong defense, free markets, personal responsibility, and individual liberty.

    I could go with that, but...

    Low taxes: not so low that there is no social safety net for the poor amongst us.

    Limited government: not so limited that it cannot protect the rights of the minority against the majority.

    Strong defense: sure, but isn't it funny that we can always come up with money for war, but when children need insurance, it's a budget breaker.

    Free markets: not to the point where the greed of the markets hurts the consumer and the environment, or we allow other countries to oppress their workers so we can have cheap consumer goods

    Personal Responsibility: everybody wants to be personally responsible, but bad things happen to good people and society thru its government needs to provide assistance. I think two years of welfare is great to let people cope with changes in their life.

    Individual liberty: Here the government needs to protect the minority from the majority. The majority doesnt need protection. But there are limits on majority rule. A majority, no matter how big, cannot vote to enslave any segment of society. Likewise, the majority cannot vote to exclude a minority from fully participating in all aspects of society. I don't care how many constitutional amendments are passed.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 09, 2007 2:41 AM GMT
    Keep up the good work Caslon
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    Oct 09, 2007 2:48 AM GMT
    Meetings of the political faithful and the religious faithful are the same in that there is always the urge to convert, and it is that urge -- even if unstated -- that I dislike about both.
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    Oct 09, 2007 3:12 AM GMT
    yeah, I'm sticking to the recruitment of homosexuals.
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    Oct 09, 2007 3:48 AM GMT
    college republicans are fun:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=J1UYquKlfT0
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    Oct 09, 2007 3:53 AM GMT
    Yes! I was looking for that vid earlier. Glad you found it.
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    Oct 09, 2007 5:02 AM GMT
    My response to ""I Want You (to be a) Log Cabin Republican"?

    I want you to be a caring, compasionate, sensitive human being who is more interested in working with real Americans on real problems than a devisive partisan politian beholden to corporations and religious zealots.

    We can't always all get what we want.

    R
  • Starboard

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    Oct 09, 2007 5:37 AM GMT
    I'm a little surprised that there aren't more guys out there that would go just out of curiousity. Before I get an inbox full of hate mail, I am not passing judgement on those who would not accept the invitation, I am just surprised. There are a lot of issues that intelligent liberals and conservatives can disagree on. I mean, it's not like you're being invited to a KKK rally. In the current hyper-polarized poltical environment, it's easy to forget that both Democrats and Republicans actively support their causes with the best intentions. Neither side has all of the answers and both sides make mistakes. And to equate the Republican party with the fear mongering, fiscally irresponsible, neo-con, science rejecting, evangelical, torturous leaders of the current administration is unfair. The reason why the president is polling so low is because he has lost the support of a lot of the people who voted for him.