Poll: Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders tied among Democrats

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    Mar 24, 2016 3:55 PM GMT
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-tied-among-democrats/
    The survey, released Thursday, shows that Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the first choice among 49 percent of Democrats who have voted or intend to vote in their primary contests. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, notches 48 percent of support. Three percent of voters say they are unsure...

    In the general election, Sanders seemed to perform better than his Democratic rival against potential Republicans. Against Donald Trump, Clinton would lead by 18 points, but Sanders would lead by 24 points. If Cruz were the GOP nominee, Clinton would hold a 9-point edge, but Sanders would lead by 12 points. Clinton would lose to Kasich by 4 percentage points, compared to a Sanders win by the same margin.

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    Mar 25, 2016 2:50 PM GMT
    Regardless of what the polls show at this point, I simply cannot see Sanders winning the general election. His ideas are good, but perhaps too good to be realistic. I wish he were 20 years younger because he'd be a potent candidate 8+ years hence.
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    Mar 27, 2016 3:57 PM GMT
    Realistic is, what, something handed on a Trump stamped silver platter? Or does realistic sometimes take some work (and not by importing domestic help, being so hard to find the local variety while claiming to be making America great again).

    While his message is hardly before its time--one of my ancestors was a socialist organizer in the earlier 1900s in America, though capitalists can relax for another relative founded a respected financial firm--America has fallen behind the times on social issues for decades now.

    The middle class built this country up from the 1% debacle of the Great Depression and through the efforts of the middle classes made America great again. Finances were distributed accordingly. But then through all sorts of machinations, the wealthy stole more than their fair share of what the middle classes built, redistributing the wealth of the nation away from the middle class into the hands of the less than 1% while bribing the top 10% with just enough money to protect their scam.

    This has been ongoing for nearly 50 years now. Two generations of theft by the 1%, aided by their 10% court jesters as it was done in the days of kings, as it was done today. Undeniably, absolutely, clearly the Great Robbery. The math shows it:

    Distribution of the Wealth: The Great Depression through Circa 1969
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    Redistribution of the Wealth to the Wealthy: Circa 1969 through the Great Recession
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    Sanders was 20 years younger 20 years ago. I'm not sure why you think he's not electable when polls currently have him blowing Trump away 17.5 points on RealClear and 13 on Huffpoll.

    I said from the start that I'd be surprised if he got the primary but I'd not be surprised if he got the presidency.

    Why? Because as much as I am critical as fuck, I do believe in people. The truth Sanders speaks may take a while to sink in for some, may be obscured by Republican bullshit, but also:

    "There exists an obvious fact that seems utterly moral; namely, that a man is always a prey to his truths. Once he has admitted them, he cannot free himself from them.~~Albert Camus

    Whether or not he gets the nomination, I thank Sanders for giving truth voice, which is quite remarkable for a man at any age in this age of televised GOP deceit.
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    Mar 27, 2016 5:50 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidRegardless of what the polls show at this point, I simply cannot see Sanders winning the general election. His ideas are good, but perhaps too good to be realistic. I wish he were 20 years younger because he'd be a potent candidate 8+ years hence.





    Both sides and their supporters can post all the polls they can find to support their position; but the bottom line is:

    This November, a majority of mid-stream Americans will NOT vote for a grumpy old man whom they consider a "Socialist/Communist".



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  • carew28

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    Mar 27, 2016 7:55 PM GMT
    rnch said
    DOMINUS saidRegardless of what the polls show at this point, I simply cannot see Sanders winning the general election. His ideas are good, but perhaps too good to be realistic. I wish he were 20 years younger because he'd be a potent candidate 8+ years hence.





    Both sides and their supporters can post all the polls they can find to support their position; but the bottom line is:

    This November, a majority of mid-stream Americans will NOT vote for a grumpy old man whom they consider a "Socialist/Communist".



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    Indeed, in November, the majority of middle-class Americans won't vote for a socialist like Sanders. He's a shrewd politician, and in all likelihood he's aware of that. But Sanders has an awful lot of loyal supporters. He's done far better so far in the primaries than anyone expected a year ago, and he's put up an amazing opposition. His socialist ideas have an appeal to a broad coalition of working-class, elderly, and millenial voters, who've been pretty much shut out of the Wall Street economy.

    Clinton will likely get the nomination, thanks to her superdelegates (whose existence I'd never even been aware of till a few months ago), and the Wall Street big-money financial interests who are funding her campaign. But Clinton and Wall Street would be well-advised to take note of what's happening. It's not likely that Sanders supporters will automatically switch over to Clinton in November. If Clinton and Wall Street want their support, they're both going to have to change their economic practices to give working-class people some meaningful share in the economy, and not just lip-service.

    I think Sanders' primary motivation for running for the presidency at this late stage in his career is to create a political movement to further his grassroots socialist ideals, somewhat similar to the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, albeit maybe a bit more conventional, practical, and broader-based.