ISIS contained and in retreat

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    Mar 26, 2016 12:38 AM GMT
    More indications that, not only does ISIS appear to have been contained, but it is in retreat. Of course, it is still a significant terrorist threat, but "peak ISIS" appears to have passed.

    Activists report the group is now forcing civilians to pay petty fines in dollars to raise cash
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-attempt-to-topple-us-economy-with-own-currency-failing-as-reliance-on-american-dollars-a6952566.html

    Isis second-in-command Haji Imam killed by US forces
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-second-in-command-haji-imam-killed-by-us-forces-a6952186.html

    In Syria and Iraq, the Islamic State is in retreat on multiple fronts
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/in-syria-and-iraq-the-islamic-state-is-in-retreat-on-multiple-fronts/2016/03/24/a0e33774-f101-11e5-a2a3-d4e9697917d1_story.html

    Islamic State’s moneymaking streams take a hit as it loses territory
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/islamic-states-money-makers-take-a-hit-as-it-loses-territory/2015/12/03/b08910aa-91f6-11e5-befa-99ceebcbb272_story.html

    Isis 'loses 40% of Iraq territory and 20% in Syria' as international air strikes support ground operations
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-loses-40-of-iraq-territory-and-20-in-syria-as-international-air-strikes-support-ground-a6797486.html
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    Mar 27, 2016 11:33 AM GMT
    More:

    Syria conflict: Ancient city of Palmyra 're-captured from IS'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35906511

    The US Just Whacked the Guy Who Handles ISIS's Paychecks
    "We are systematically eliminating ISIL's cabinet," says the secretary of defense.
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/us-just-whacked-guy-who-handles-isis-paychecks
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    Mar 27, 2016 7:10 PM GMT
    Better late than never.
    But the dead and destroyed are forever gone.

    What ISIS Really Wants
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980
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    Mar 29, 2016 8:44 PM GMT
    What about the report that Pentagon funded forces are fighting CIA funded forces. We need Bernie to cut defense funding big time. We pay double when Syrians move here after we have demolished their country .
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 04, 2016 5:14 PM GMT
    In some conspiracy corners, the worst of the worst is al-Nusra, because they are (allegedly) supported by Israel.

    GladiatorSam saidWho is killing civilians in Syria?
    12717898_10154363057188455_7355263296678
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    Apr 05, 2016 2:24 PM GMT
    Senior Jabhat al-Nusra leader killed in American airstrike in Syria
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Senior-Jabhat-al-Nusra-leader-killed-in-American-airstrike-in-Syria-450169

    || "Abu Firas," whose real name is Radwan Namus, was killed alongside his son and six JN jihadists in the Idlib village of Kfar Jalis.

    || Sixty-five year old Abu Firas was born in the Syrian city of Madaya and had served as an officer in the Syrian Arab Army. Following the notorious Hama massacre in 1982 in which the Syrian army killed tens of thousands of Muslim Brotherhood supporters, he left the army and went to Afghanistan, where he was a founding member of al-Qaida, together with Osama bin Laden.

    || When the Syrian civil war erupted in March 2011, he returned to Syria and joined JN’s ranks, serving as the organization's spokesman in Idlib and later, as the head of JN's Sharia institutions.

    || Following his martyrdom, JN activists on social media networks eulogized their leader and launched a campaign against Huthaifa Azzam, whom they accused of Abu Firas' killing.

    || Huthaifa Azzam, the son of al-Qaida's founder, Abdullah Azzam, has recently criticized JN in a series of remarks on Twitter. In his remarks, he revealed information about JN leaders that according to JN served the American intelligence in preparing the airstrike against Abu Firas.

    || Many JN activists also accused the United States of using drones only against al-Qaida leaders, describing the drone as a "weapon whose purpose is to bomb al-Qaida." On Thursday, four of the organization's militants were killed in a US airstrike in the city of Azan in southern Yemen.

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 06, 2016 5:25 AM GMT
    Wow. Did someone hack AyaTrolLiar founcer's account?

    ATLF> Iran has a brutal clerical regime and is guilty of many crimes

    A year ago, the Iranian apologist stated in this thread:

    Iran caught - again - trying to illegally enrich Uranium;
    Iran dreams of "a world without the US and Israel."

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/666082/?forumpage=3

    ATLF (3 April 2015)> Iran like every other nation should be judged not on its "rhetoric" but on its record.

    This after he attempted to dismiss statements by senior leaders in senior positions as just made by "a bureaucrat, speaking after his term of office holding virtually no political power".

    His point was that, some meaningless "rhetoric" aside, Iran's RECORD WAS GOOD.


    Similarly even after Iran admitted to NPT violations, the most he could muster was:

    ATLF> IF they have "violated" the NPT (as opposed to mere suspicions), then I condemn it

    Of course, he never did.


    In 2009 AyaTrolLiar founcer must have only been getting his news from the Iranian regime's mouthpiece "PressTV", because in 2012 he claimed:

    ATLF> Iran is NOT cracking down brutally on its own protesters. Probably because Iran doesn't HAVE protesters in the kind of numbers it would take to mount any serious challenge to the government


    Despite candidates being vetted (imagine if our upcoming election - not primary - was limited to choosing between Carson, Cruz and Huckabee because Kasich, Hillary and Bernie weren't allowed to run), ATLF lionized Iran as a true democracy. And heralded its freedom of press/opinion which he claimed isn't found in the USA/UK (note: USA/UK tie for #21 freest press in the world while Iran comes it at #172 - out of 175!).

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame:
    Freedom of opinion/press is found in Iran, not in US or UK.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151?forumpage=1

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 06, 2016 5:39 AM GMT
    The pathological propagandist persists:

    AyaTrolLiar Founcer> the poor Shi'ite underclass in south Lebanon who for years lived under brutal Israeli occupation

    Israel withdrew from all but a 6-mile wide security zone (to keep Hizbullah rockets out of range of Israeli population centers) months after routing the PLO (who used it as base to attack Israel). The other 99% of Lebanon, for 30 years - decades - was under Syrian occupation and control. Once again exposing he hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for Lebanese - even the poor Shia.


    ATLF> Hezbollah has elected members in the Lebanese parliament. They don't contribute any more members than are voted in.

    Hizbullah, the only Lebanese militia not to disarm in accordance with the Taif Agreement (which ended the long and bloody Lebanese civil war), had veto power - way beyond its 10-15% electoral representation.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25637594/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/lebanon-unity-deal-gives-hezbollah-veto-power


    Then there's the issue of Hizbullah involvement in the assassination of Rafic Hariri, Lebanon's democratically elected president. The UN investigated this for more than 6 years and thinking it was going to implicate Israel, AyaTrolLiar founcer praised it. Until he found out that arrest warrants were issued for 4 Hizbullah terrorists. Then (in the usual reversal of the scientific method), he condemned the UN investigation.

    The indictments were served by representatives of the International Court of Justice at The Hague
    http://www.stl-tsl.org/en/the-cases/stl-11-01

    Lebanon 101: Why Hezbollah hates the Hariri tribunal (UN STL).
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1331632



    In 2006, Hizbullah started a war against Israel only to get smothered (though claim "victory", despite apologizing to the people of Lebanon.)

    Nasrallah Tacitly Apologizes and Admits Defeat
    http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2006/08/nasrallah-tacitly-apologizes-and-admits-defeat/233683

    ATLF, his addled mind mad with hate of Israel/Jews and the USA/UK, supports Hizbullah precisely because it attacks Israel. Then he turns around and pretends it's good for Lebanon? Like he ever cared for Lebanon? Not when the PLO occupied the south for a decade, nor when Syria occupied most of the country for 30 years. Not today when Hizbullah has brought the Syrian civil war into Lebanon.


    Just as he's finally cracked about Iran, maybe in a few more years he'll admit that Hizbullah is a terrorist organization.

    Arab League Brands Hezbollah Group a Terrorist Organization
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4189600


    For now, we're stuck with this moron:

    ATLF (29 April 2015)> Islamic Jihad, not Hizballah (which didn't even exist at the time), was behind the marine barracks bombing in 1983.
    But what a joke by the idiot. - as if killing foreign occupying soldiers in a warzone has anything to do with "terrorism"?

    US and French troops (amongst others) were part of the UN Multinational Force - peacekeepers - invited by the Lebanese government.

    Hizbullah's "official" founding was in 1985, but on the ground it formed in 1982, trained by 1,500 Iranian Revolutionary Guards who arrived with Syrian consent.


    ATLF> Give me Hezbollah any day

    Yup.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 06, 2016 5:49 AM GMT
    The AyaTrolLiar founcer comedy continues:

    ATLF> You can agree or disagree with the Houthis and their rebellion, but they are Yemenis. The Saudis bombing their country and massacring its people are not, and are guilty of war crimes beyond those of Israel

    Yet while there have been scores of anti-Israel threads posted and reposted, about which most Westerners (the vast majority of RJ users) are familiar with, not a thread about Yemen - about which the majority of Westerners/RJers know next to nothing?

    Clearly ATLF hates Israel/Jews more than he hates the Saudis, which is more than he loves Yemenites.


    Recall further that when I first entered a thread about Syria going on 5 years ago, AyaTrolLiar founcer insisted there was nothing to see and that it was just to divert attention from the dozens of anti-Israel threads.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 06, 2016 5:55 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam said
    mwolverine saidIn some conspiracy corners, the worst of the worst is al-Nusra, because they are (allegedly) supported by Israel.

    Why would Israel supports Al Nusra Front (al-Qaeda) terrorist group in Syria?

    It does NOT.
    Israel has NOT funded, trained or armed JN.

    It HAS provided HUMANITARIAN AID.
    Both to civilians and combatants, as governed by the Geneva Conventions.


    Sam> If Israel supports Al-Nusra Front, then Israel is bad as Hizballah and Al-Nusra Front.

    Except it doesn't (more below) and as per your own source, al-Nusra has only killed 356 civilians while Hizbullah has fought with the Assad regime which has killed 183,827 civilians.

    For every civilian killed by al-Nusra, Hizbullah and the regime have killed more than 500.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315347/Watch-heart-pounding-moment-Israeli-commandos-save-Islamic-militants-Syrian-warzone-risking-lives-sworn-enemies.html

    || The casualty – who doesn't look older than 20 – is losing blood fast. He has been shot in the intestines and the liver, and has a deep laceration in his left ankle. After putting him on an emergency drip, the commandos stretcher him back to the armoured car and head back to Israel.

    || Almost nothing is known about the Syrian as he is wheeled into emergency surgery 40 minutes after the rescue. He may be a member of a relatively moderate Islamist group, or he may be a jihadi. For its part, Israel says it either does not gather, or does not disclose, this information.

    || MailOnline witnessed Israeli army medics treating a sick two-month-old baby and a middle-aged man who had suffered a heart attack, both of whom were evacuated across the Syrian border by the commandos. The rescue of the baby girl was particularly poignant. Her older brother had died of a rare bone disease, and her mother feared that she was showing symptoms of the same disorder. Distraught, the woman decided to brave the dangers of the border and appeal to the enemy for help.

    || 'Israel is a world leader in providing humanitarian assistance, both in the Middle East and around the world,' he said. He also pointed out that this is not the first time the Jewish State has given medical care to those bent on its destruction and their families.

    || In October, a Tel Aviv hospital treated Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' brother-in-law, and last year it treated the daughter of the Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh.

    || MailOnline was given access to interview Syrian militants at the Ziv Medical Centre in Safed, northern Israel, one of a number of hospitals at which they are treated... The casualties lavished praise on Israel. 'I will not fight against Israel in the future. Israel looks after wounded people better than the Arabs. The Arabs are dogs,' said a wiry rebel fighter who gave his name as Ahmed, 23, who was recovering from a gunshot wound to the groin.

    || 'Before I came here, I wouldn't have said this. But there are many people who got injured and came to Israel for treatment, and they told me about it. I feel safe here in Israel. But when I am well again, I will go back and fight.'

    || Another rebel, 20-year-old Mohammed, whose leg had been all but destroyed by fire from a Russian-made 'Dushka' heavy machine gun, agreed. 'Thanks to Israel for letting me in,' he said, eyeing the surgical frame supporting his shattered leg. 'The butcher Assad is my enemy. Israel is not my enemy. The one who treats you is not your enemy.' As soon as he was well enough, he added, he too intended to go back to Syria to take up arms again.

    || The Israeli doctor in charge of their treatment, Russian-born Professor Alexander Lerner – a leading expert in treating war injuries – did not disguise his delight at these responses.
    'We are trying to build peace with our neighbours and win their hearts and minds,' he said. 'There are now 2,000 Syrians who have had their lives saved by Israel. We hope that this will change their life position. In the future, they will be more friendly to Israel and they won't want to fight us.'

    Oooh, just shows you how "evil" those Israelis are, eh?

    || According to one senior Israeli army officer, Israel's humanitarian mission may also be part of a security strategy, aiming to 'keep the northern border quiet and our soldiers safe' by using medical treatment as an 'insurance policy'. 'The Syrians will not strike us because they know we'd stop helping them,' Lieutenant Colonel Malka told MailOnline. 'They are desperate for our medical help. They have no doctors, not even a vet. Once we treated a man who had been stitched up by a friend with a needle and thread. 'If they want our help to continue, they know they must stop anybody from attacking our soldiers and civilians.'

    You remember this, right?

    ATLF> Hezbollah has 150,000 missiles, thousands of which are precision-guided, can strike anywhere in Israel or Lebanon, and weigh in excess of one ton.

    He's so proud of his terrorists, eh?

    Then he's surprised that Israel doesn't want them on another front?

    Back in 1982, after US envoy Phillip Habib brokered a truce between Israel and the PLO in Lebanon, the PLO then started firing at the same Israeli population centers from Syria (rather than Lebanon) claiming that didn't violate the ceasefire. (While claiming that the ceasefire precluded Israel from shooting back.)


    Sam> Israel stills occupy small part of Lebanon

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2000/20000618.sc6878.doc.html

    || the Security Council this afternoon endorsed the work done by the United Nations as mandated by the Security Council, including the Secretary-Generals conclusion that, as of 16 June [2000], Israel had withdrawn its forces from Lebanon in accordance with Security Council resolution 425
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 06, 2016 6:22 AM GMT
    Mt Dov ("Shebaa Farms") is part of the Golan Heights and prior to 1967 was Syrian.

    Most Lebanese government maps show it as part of the Golan.
    Never between 1949-1967 did anyone claim this was Lebanon.
    Only after Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000 did anyone claim this was Lebanon.

    Note: This is an area covering a total of about 8 square miles, in which no one lives (there were once 3-4 sheep pens here).

    It was invented as a pretext for Hizbullah terrorists to continue attacking Israel/Jews.

    Nancy Soderberg, former United States Ambassador to the United Nations, wrote:
    When it was clear the Israelis were going to withdraw fully from Lebanon, Syrian and Lebanese officials fabricated the fiction that this small, sparsely populated area was part of Lebanon. They even produced a crudely fabricated map to back up the dubious claim. I and United Nations officials went into the map room in the United Nations and looked at all the maps of the region in the files for decades. All showed the Shebaa Farms clearly in Syria.

    More from the UN Statement from May, 2000:
    On May 15, 2000, the United Nations received a map, dated 1966, from the Government of Lebanon which reflected the Government's position that these farmlands were located in Lebanon. However, the United Nations is in possession of 10 other maps issued after 1966 by various Lebanese government institutions, including the Ministry of Defense and the army, all of which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic. The United Nations has also examined six maps issued by the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic, including three maps since 1966, which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic.

    From Wikipedia:
    In an 18 June 2000 statement, the Security Council noted that Israel and Lebanon had confirmed to the Secretary General, that identification of the withdrawal line was solely the responsibility of the UN and that both sides would respect the line as identified. On a fact-finding visit to the region, Terje Rød-Larsen, the UN special envoy to the Middle East, noted that both 1923 Anglo-French maps and the 1949 Armistice agreement place the area in Syria.[38]

    UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, said (April, 2002):
    With reference to the disturbances along the Blue Line emanating from Lebanese territory, I call on the Government of Lebanon and all relevant parties to condemn and prevent such violations. The Security Council itself confirmed in June 2000 that Israel had withdrawn from southern Lebanon in compliance with UN Security Council resolutions 425 and 426. Attacks at any point along the Blue Line, including in the Shebaa Farms area in the occupied Golan Heights, are violations of Security Council resolutions. Respect for decisions of the Security Council is the most basic requirement of international legitimacy.

    And furthermore in January, 2005:
    The continually asserted position of the Government of Lebanon that the Blue Line is not valid in the Shab'a farms area is not compatible with Security Council resolutions. The Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for purposes of confirming Israel’s withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425 (1978 ). The Government of Lebanon should heed the Council’s repeated calls for the parties to respect the Blue Line in its entirety.

    Only in the minds of sick people mad with hate and useful idiots are "150,000 missiles, thousands of which are precision-guided... and weigh in excess of one ton" warranted to "liberate" an area smaller than 3x3 miles).

    ATLF> [Hizbullah] exists to reclaim occupied Lebanese land
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 06, 2016 5:24 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer, as usual, ignores 90% of what I said (what could he already say?), and then flails and fails on the rest:

    ATLF> if Syria and Lebanon agree it belongs to Lebanon, why contrive a dispute?

    They do not, as noted above Syria has not said so. They say the border can only be determined after an Israeli withdrawal (and they've often said that ALL of Lebanon is part of Syria, so don't look for them to cede this tiny spot).

    The "contrived" "dispute" is the claim that this territory, not considered part of Lebanon for more than half a century, suddenly was declared so in order to justify Hizbullah's 150,000 missile inventory (to "liberate" an 8-mile square area?! Or to destroy Israel and genocide Jews - it's stated intention?)


    ATLF> Israel complied with [Resolution 425] it after 22 years? A

    Israel initially complied with it in 1978 but kept getting attacked from the PLO state-within-a-state in southern Lebanon. Notice again how founcer gives the PLO a pass for its decade-long brutal occupation of southern Lebanon and Syria's 30 year occupation of 99% of Lebanon... and is only concerned (allegedly out of love of the Lebanese?) with Israel's 6-mile wide security strip (to keep terrorist rockets out of range of Israeli population centers).


    ATLF> Israel treats... armed fighters ("illegal combatants"...), mainly belonging to al-Qaida (Nusra) and Isis, and subsequently returned to the battlefield in contravention of international law.

    Treating injured people is not a "contravention of international law" (something which until recently ATLF thought the UN, as a legislature, passed).


    We're all well familiar with AyaTrolLiar founcer's warped methodology of cherry picking out-of-context quotes:

    ATLF> his previous admission:

    That was a quote from a newspaper article, which goes on to explain that heeding the concern of its own Druze population, Israel is caring for wounded people in exchange for Nusra not attacking Druze in Syria.

    || “We’ve assisted them under two conditions,” Ya’alon said of the Israeli medical aid to the Syrian rebels, some of whom are presumably fighting with al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra Front to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad. “That they don’t get too close to the border, and that they don’t touch the Druze.”

    Once again ATLF reveals that he hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for Druze or Arabs.


    ATLF> lame justification:

    Let's look at what I said in context:

    al-Nusra has only killed 356 civilians while Hizbullah has fought with the Assad regime which has killed 183,827 civilians.
    For every civilian killed by al-Nusra, Hizbullah and the regime have killed more than 500.


    Which exposes the rest of his bambling idiocy about only 40% of casualties in Syria being civilians.


    ATLF> Unlike some twisted perverts however, I do not consider that any of this justifies massacres or war crimes, of which both sides are guilty.

    Just last week he was justifying Hizbullah's starvation of Madaya because there were militiamen in the town (while hypocritically condemning a less brutal siege, denying there were militiamen there, despite his own source - Robert Fisk - and others saying so).


    US and French troops (amongst others) were part of the UN Multinational Force - peacekeepers - invited by the Lebanese government

    ATLF> the Syrians, who led an international force in Lebanon with a mandate (several times renewed) by the Arab League. ...the Syrians initially while they were massacring Palestinians

    But they were invited by the Arab League so that was ok?

    The point, of course, was that Hezbullah didn't attack "occupiers" as he claimed - and supported! - but murdered hundreds of peace-keepers.


    ATLF> After the civil war ended, Syria and Lebanon entered into a treaty to legitimise the presence of Syrian soldiers there (they were needed to suppress anti-government rebellions as the Lebanese authorities proved incompetent). They did not occupy "99%" of Lebanon but various areas over the next 15 years.

    The 1989 Taif agreement stipulated that Syria would withdraw in 2 years.
    It didn't withdraw until after international outcry following the Hariri assassination.
    In which Syria has been implicated, just Syria "suppress[ing] anti-government rebellions" by assassinating the elected president?

    Indeed, rather than condemn this murder, he seeks to rationalize and justify it by villifying the victim:

    ATLF> the right-wing, corrupt representative of the Sunni-Christian overclass Hariri

    In response to my statement that Hizbullah was the only militia not to disarm in accordance with the Taif Agreement, he tells us that's not a relevant agreement (though he just conjured it above without naming it).


    ATLF> UN tribunal... Not only did it indict and frame presumably innocent Syrians, but since changed its story and focused exclusively on Hezbollah.

    It didn't "change its story", you were misled (perhaps by an article Tokugawa posted) which claimed the tribunal was going to implicate Israel. Thus its praises were sung. And then, when that report proved wrong and the evidence implicated Hizbullah... AyaTrolLIar founcer pulled his usual reversal (of the scientific method and more).

    If these Hizbullah agents are innocent and the evidence will implicate Israel, then why don't they turn themselves in for the world to see what happens at the International Court of Justice at The Hague - an institution in which founcer claims he has great faith? Why has Hizbullah suddenly reneged on its agreement to cooperate?


    Hizbullah's "official" founding was in 1985, but on the ground it formed in 1982

    ATLF> Just as the "official" founding of Hamas was in 1987, though on the ground it formed, under the exact same leadership, as early as the 1970s.

    Not only does that out his prior propaganda lie that hundreds of US Marines and Frenchmen serving as peacekeepers were murdered by Hizbullah (which he supported!), but the reversal fails.

    The predecessors of Hamas were primarily non-violent CHARITIES that ran schools, hospitals and orphanages. Hamas was founded as a violent group, completely distinguishable from its predecessors.

    Hizbullah didn't change in 1985. It was the same organization as it was in 1982.


    brutal and bloody Lebanese civil war

    ATLF> In which Israel sided with the ruling Christian-fascist axis against the leftist Muslim-Palestinian coalition of the disempowered.

    Yes, folks, for haters like founcers it's that simple. Never mind that there were some 20 different militias/sides and that alliances changed regularly. For haters like him, there was the right side (whatever that was) and the side Israel supported.

    Likewise such useless idiots ignore decades of Lebanon's civil war (and some 150,000 deaths) and focus ONLY on the relatively brief periods of Israel's involvement.

    It comes as no surprise that once again we see that AyaTrolLiar founcer hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for Lebanese, Syrian or Palestinian Arabs.


    ATLF> By what law... Hezbollah is not allowed to capture Israeli soldiers to negotiate a prisoner swap?

    The Geneva Conventions forbid the taking of hostages.

    If Hizbullah wants its POWs released, it should end its war and make a peace agreement with Israel. Oh, wait, it's goal is to destroy Israel and murder all the Jews. (Which is why it was behind the assassination of another elected Lebanese President who was going to make peace.)

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 06, 2016 5:26 PM GMT
    He closes by highlighting the depths of his depravity:

    ATLF> If Israel wants a second round in Lebanon against Hezbollah, it and its Iron Dud are more than welcome to converge on the northern border. Except we all know it will never happen, because Israel knows the results will be even worse than last time (which badly shook up Israel, achieved no military objectives, and plunged the government and military into a quagmire of scandal).

    Yup, doesn't matter how many Lebanese are killed by Hizbullah's hubrus (which AyaTrolLiar founcer shares), as long as some can claim that Israel "lost" that's all that matters to him.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 06, 2016 5:35 PM GMT
    Let's get back to this thread:

    GladiatorSam saidWho is killing civilians in Syria?
    12717898_10154363057188455_7355263296678

    Iran and pro-Iranian government Assad.

    AyaTrolLiar founcer> civilian death toll... For the civil war overall, the figure is about 40%

    The numbers above add up to 194,208 civilians killed (mostly - 95% - by Assad/Hizbullah).

    For the 40% figure to be right, the total number of people killed in Syria would need to be going on 500,000.

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 07, 2016 6:01 AM GMT
    mwolverine saidWow. Did someone hack AyaTrolLiar founcer's account?

    ATLF> Iran has a brutal clerical regime and is guilty of many crimes

    A year ago, the Iranian apologist stated in this thread:

    Iran caught - again - trying to illegally enrich Uranium;
    Iran dreams of "a world without the US and Israel."

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/666082/?forumpage=3

    ATLF (3 April 2015)> Iran like every other nation should be judged not on its "rhetoric" but on its record.

    This after he attempted to dismiss statements by senior leaders in senior positions as just made by "a bureaucrat, speaking after his term of office holding virtually no political power".

    His point was that, some meaningless "rhetoric" aside, its RECORD WAS GOOD.


    Similarly even after Iran admitted to NPT violations, the most he could muster was:

    ATLF> IF they have "violated" the NPT (as opposed to mere suspicions), then I condemn it

    Of course, he never did.


    In 2009 AyaTrolLiar founcer must have only been getting his news from the Iranian regime's mouthpiece "PressTV", because in 2012 he claimed:

    ATLF> Iran is NOT cracking down brutally on its own protesters. Probably because Iran doesn't HAVE protesters in the kind of numbers it would take to mount any serious challenge to the government


    Despite candidates being vetted (imagine if our upcoming election - not primary - was limited to choosing between Carson, Cruz and Huckabee because Kasich, Hillary and Bernie weren't allowed to run), ATLF lionized Iran as a true democracy. And heralded its freedom of press/opinion which he claimed isn't found in the USA/UK (note: USA/UK tie for #21 freest press in the world while Iran comes it at #172 - out of 175!).

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame:
    Freedom of opinion/press is found in Iran, not in US or UK.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151?forumpage=1

    ATLF> I have repeatedly stated my opposition to Iran's stance in Syria.

    Oh, then I guess all the above is just fine.

    It's no big deal, just a "stance", with hundreds of thousands of civilians dead.
    Nothing to see, move along.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 07, 2016 6:07 AM GMT
    mwolverine said
    AyaTrolLiar founcer gives us a perfect example aboveIran, for all its faults, actually has parliament seats reserved for minorities

    The Iranian Majlis has 290 seats, of which a total of 5 are reserved for religious minorities.
    Jews have one seat, one voice.
    There can be no more than 1 Jew in the Iranian parliament.
    And this he boasts of?!

    Seriously, is there anyone who still doubts he is an Iranian plant?
    I'd at least like to think that no allegedly educated Westerner could be that ignorant/stupid about concepts of democracy.

    Can you imagine if in the USA minorities weren't allowed to serve as Senators and had to split 7 seats in the House?
    Cause you couldn't possibly have a black person represent a white constituency?

    Imagine that someone would present that as a good example? icon_eek.gif

    ATLF> It is a good example, compared with Saudi Arabia

    Were we discussing Saudi Arabia? No.
    Then he says what he really means, a comparison to the USA:

    ATLF> Whether elections are rigged by a committee of billionaires in New York or a committee of clerics in Tehran is irrelevant to me.

    Even while drawing that false equivalence, he's praising Iranian "democracy" while condemning American democracy.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 07, 2016 6:13 AM GMT
    Israel initially complied with it in 1978 but kept getting attacked from the PLO state-within-a-state in southern Lebanon. Notice again how founcer gives the PLO a pass for its decade-long brutal occupation of southern Lebanon

    Sam> PLO never occupied Lebanon, they have Palestinian refugee camps that needed to be protect.

    The Palestinian Arab refugee camps in Lebanon were perfectly safe from 1948 till the early 1970s. It was the PLO presence there that started the trouble.

    Surely Damour (a Christian town and the site of one of the first massacres of the Lebanese civil war) wasn't a "Palestinian refugee camp that needed to be protect[ed]" when the PLO attacked it, right?

    In reality, the PLO formed a state-within-a-state known as "Fatahland". It terrorized the inhabitants, taking what it wanted from them. When Israeli forces arrived, the Lebanese (including the Shia) greeted them as liberators, showering them with rice and flowers.


    ATLF> Not a "brutal occupation". A non-state actor seeking refuge is not an "occupier".

    Does that only apply to his PLO heroes (which he discarded once they formally abandoned violence in favor of negotiations) or also to Al Qaida and ISIS?

    A non-state actor that tried to take over Jordan but was defeated and expelled, who blew up planes, school buses and Olympic athletes. And terrorized, brutally, the Lebanese population.

    http://my.telegraph.co.uk/truthful/truthful/5101143/Damour_Massacre_January_1976_The_massacre_of_Christians_in_Lebanon_by_Syrian_amp_Muslim_Palestinians


    ATLF> was claiming to support equal rights for Palestinians in Lebanon? Yet now he accuses them of having brutally "occupied" the poor Lebanese?!

    Wow, the depths of idiocy. Palestinian Arabs born in Lebanon, to parents, grandparents and great-grandparents born in Lebanon, should today be Lebanese citizens with equal rights. Does he or anyone else disagree?

    That has nothing to do with the PLO terrorists who ravaged the countryside in the 1970s.

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 07, 2016 6:18 AM GMT
    Sam> We all agree that Golan Height doesn't belongs to Israel, it should returns to Syria.

    That's a strange statement - especially from a Palestinian Arab - given that the Golan was part of historic "Palestine" before 1923, as we've seen in maps from previous centuries.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

    Surely you're not including the areas of British Mandate Palestine that Syria conquered by force in 1948, right?

    Mt Dov is part of the Golan, so if the Golan is Syrian, so is Shebaa Farms.


    Sam> Lebanon is insisting on Israeli withdrawal from all Lebanese territory in the Mount Hermon area.

    The UN has already certified that Israel has withdrawn to the international border.

    While AyaTrolLiar founcer and Sam quote selectively from my UN source, they ignore:

    || both governments have confirmed that establishing the identifying line was the sole responsibility of the United Nations, the Secretary-General notes, and that they would respect the line the United Nations' identified.

    The UN made its determination 16 years ago.

    War-mongers like Hizbullah and AyaTrolLiar founcer are happy to use a less than 3x3 mile area as a pretense to fight forever.
    I'm sure the sheep that once lived there have a "right to return" to their former pens, as do their millions of descendants.

    Even in a thread about ISIS and the war in Syria, with perhaps half a million dead, for those stuck on hate it's all about Israel/Jews.

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3384

    Apr 07, 2016 6:25 AM GMT
    Treating injured people is not a "contravention of international law" (something which until recently ATLF thought the UN, as a legislature, passed).

    ATLF> Returning terrorist gangsters to the battlefield in somebody else's coumtry, and supplying them with material support, is illegal.

    Strange admission that Iran and Syria providing material support (e.g. missiles, finances, training) to Hizbullah and Hamas is illegal.

    Israel has not provided "material support", it has only treated the wounded.


    al-Nusra has only killed 356 civilians while Hizbullah has fought with the Assad regime which has killed 183,827 civilians.
    For every civilian killed by al-Nusra, Hizbullah and the regime have killed more than 500


    ATLF> Which makes them far deadlier than the "evil" Hamas

    No, it makes them only more successful. Lament that as you will.


    ATLF> Isis, which Israel also treats

    For those whose minds have been consumed by their hate, it's all about Israel.
    Pay no attention to the murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians by Assad/Hizbullah... Israel has treated a few dozen ISIS "militants"! Scandal!


    ATLF> Isis... has filled Syria and Iraq with mass graves

    For each civilian murdered by ISIS (which I despise and have routinely criticized rather than serve as their apologist), Assad/Hizbullah (with which AyaTrolLiar has a love affair) have murdered 84.


    Just last week AyaTrolLiar founcer was justifying Hizbullah's starvation of Madaya because there were militiamen in the town (while hypocritically condemning a less brutal siege, denying there were militiamen there, despite his own source - Robert Fisk - and others saying so)

    ATLF> Madāyah was a Sunni village held hostage against its will by Ahrār al-Shām.
    Its people were demonstrating in the streets for Hizbullāh and the Syrian army to save them, and were fired upon for doing so.

    Wow. Just last month he was defending Hizbullah's siege of Madaya.
    Having found his arguments untenable, he's replaced them with new nonsense.
    His usual reversal of the scientific method, choosing/inventing "data" to support his notions masqueraded as a "model".

    Arab League Brands Hezbollah Group a Terrorist Organization
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4189600?forumpage=2

    40,000 starving Syrians trapped by Assad regime forced to make soup from grass because they’ve 'eaten every stray cat and dog in the city'
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/siege-of-madaya-40000-starving-syrians-trapped-by-assad-regime-forced-to-make-soup-from-grass-a6800811.html

    First Hizbullah wasn't behind the murders of hundreds of US, French and Italian peacekeepers in Lebanon (which AyaTrolLiar thinks was legitimate since they were "occupiers" - despite being invited by the Lebanese government, same as Syria whose occupation he legitimized as approved by the Arab League - which elsewhere he dismissed as the "unelected despots club"). Now in his puny mind his Hezbullah heroes weren't behind the siege of Madaya, which weeks ago he sought to rationalize and justify (with zero regard for the truth let alone civilians trapped there).

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3384

    Apr 07, 2016 6:48 AM GMT
    Surely Damour (a Christian town and the site of one of the first massacres of the Lebanese civil war) wasn't a "Palestinian refugee camp that needed to be protect[ed]" when the PLO attacked it, right?

    Sam> I thought Karantina was the first that was massacre? 1,000 up to 1,500 people were killed. Many were Kurds, Syrians, Armenians and Palestinians. Then Damour was attacked by PLO.

    As I said, "one of".


    The PLO formed a state-within-a-state known as "Fatahland". It terrorized the inhabitants, taking what it wanted from them. When Israeli forces arrived, the Lebanese (including the Shia) greeted them as liberators, showering them with rice and flowers.

    Sam> It was a nickname... Lebanese Shi'ite Muslims, who in 1982, welcomed Israel into Lebanon to rescue them. They are today Hezbollah. lol

    Times change. Back then they weren't backed by Iran as they are today.


    That's a strange statement - especially from a Palestinian Arab - given that the Golan was part of historic "Palestine" before 1923, as we've seen in maps from previous centuries.

    Sam> Ok, I may not know what historic Palestine looks like before 1923. All I know the British mandate of Palelstine (West of Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea).

    Yet the Jordan River starts at the south end of the Sea of Galilee, while Mandate Palestine extended for some 50 miles further north.


    Surely you're not including the areas of British Mandate Palestine that Syria conquered by force in 1948, right?

    Sam> Confused. Was Golan Heights was part of the French Mandate in 1922?

    The heights were, but not the shores nor certain areas north of the Sea of Galilee conquered by Syria.

    Are you saying that Arab Palestine was defined by borders drawn by Europeans after WW I?

    The Palestine Paradox
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2652202


    UN> both governments have confirmed that establishing the identifying line was the sole responsibility of the United Nations, the Secretary-General notes, and that they would respect the line the United Nations' identified.

    Sam> Why United Nations get to identified the line for them?

    The UN wasn't creating the border, just certifying that Israel complied with the UN resolution and had withdrawn to the blue line, the Armistice Agreement line between Israel and Lebanon after the end of the 1948 war. Unlike the Agreements with Trans/Jordan and Egypt (which specified only ceasefire lines), the Israel-Lebanese Armistice Agreement specified a permanent, international, political, border.

    As noted in previous pages, UN maps (as well as most Lebanese and Syrian maps) did not show Mt Dov (Shebaa Farms) in Lebanon.

    Note again that from 1923(?) to 1967, when it was under Syrian control, no one claimed it was Lebanon. Nor from 1968-1999 when it was under Israeli control. Suddenly, after Israel's withdrawal, someone remembered to want this nook of grassland?

    Many people think of the mideast as a big desert, and perhaps someone might think that it makes sense to fight over an 8 square mile "oasis" in the middle of desolate land because where else will your herds graze? To be clear, this isn't the Negev but like a mountainous version of Wisconsin. (Complete with wild boar, as I've seen with my own eyes, so maybe a better comparison is to North Carolina but I'm not familiar with NC.)

    We're talking about 5,000 acres of grass. I suppose it might be worth a million dollars or two on the open market, but how crazy does one have to be to fight a war over it?! To buy 150,000 rockets to "liberate" it?

    Who other than war-mongers would go there?

    Absent Hizbullah and Iran, if Lebanon wanted to go in the footsteps of Jordan and Egypt and make peace (as it was going to do before the elected President Bashir Gemayel was assassinated in 1982), and it said to Israel: "we'll make peace if you give us Shebaa Farms", Israel would agree in a NY minute. And you know who would disagree? That's right, Syria (and AyaTrolLiar founcer).
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3384

    Apr 07, 2016 7:21 AM GMT
    Once again, though, the depths of AyaTrolLiar founcer's depravity shines through. In a thread about Syria, he constantly wishes to prosecute Israel. Hizbullah exists because Israel allegedly still occupies a < 3x3 mile area of Lebanon, thus justifying Hizbullah's arsenal of 150,000 missiles, many with 1 ton warheads. I mean, who wouldn't make such a multi-billion dollar investment to liberate vacant grassland for herding goats? icon_eek.gif

    Oh, and Israel has provided medical treatment to a few dozen "militants" - out of a field of some 600,000 fighters in Syria. Let's focus on this outrage! icon_rolleyes.gif

    Next, rather than look at his Assad/Hizbullah heroes having murdered 200,000 Syrians (nearly 100x more than ISIS has, more than 500x more than al Nusra has)... let's compare to Israel who killed 2,000 in Gaza - but let's only look at the ratio of civilians killed rather than the actual numbers (again, a 100x factor).

    Never mind that in Gaza all the fighting, at Hamas' prerogative*, took place in "one of the most densely populated places on earth" whereas in Syria much of the fighting took place in the countryside. We don't need "math majors" to understand that in a war fought in Manhattan (which has 2x the population density of Gaza) there would be more civilian casualties than in a war fought across Ohio (with a similar population density to Syria).

    * AyaTrolLiar himself has explained that Hamas terrorists must fire rockets from amongst and behind civilians lest they be routed out in the open. He doesn't consider this "human shielding" because Hamas moves behind the people rather than force people to come to it as cover. Nor does he stop to ponder that misfired rockets have killed more Gazans than they've managed to murder Israelis/Jews.

    Furthermore Hamas wanted to draw Israeli troops into traps it had prepared in certain residential areas of Gaza.


    This pervert's conclusion - in a thread about Syria/ISIS:

    ATLF> As for the Israeli soldier, what do you expect from the dregs of the Israeli army? Pimple-skinned refuse who get their highs from making pregnant mothers' and old people's lives in the Territories miserable? I wouldn't advise it as the best strategy, but these people to me are fair game to shoot and kill. They participate by choice in this brutal, never-ending occupation, so to me their lives are forfeit. No reason for sympathy at all.

    The reality is that there are thousands of cameras and tens of thousands of interactions daily. Sure, once ever few months there is an incident, which is why Pallywood has to invent so many fakes.

    Pallywood: fake news revealed (From CBS News 60-Minutes)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/897708


    And above:

    ATLF> When Israel withdraws from the Lebanese, Syrian and Palestinian lands it has stolen and illegally annexed, it can have peace. Until then, Israel can enjoy the prospect of having precision-guided one-ton missiles landing in all its major cities.

    Of course the "international consensus" (UNSCR 242) - binding on the parties - is that Israel will withdraw AFTER peace is achieved in a negotiated settlement.

    That the Arab parties don't wish to negotiate a settlement would suggest to sane people that there would be no peace for Israel even if it did unilaterally withdraw (as it did from Gaza in 2005 and Lebanon in 2000).

    Intelligent people would also conclude that the aggressor, rejecting/denying peace and making threats, are these Arab parties.


    Is it any wonder that hate-filled war-mongers like him, in the safety of his mum's basement, boycotts peace threads?

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3384

    Apr 08, 2016 9:23 PM GMT
    Answers can be found here:

    Arabs (like Arabic) NOT indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4019405

    The Palestine Paradox
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2652202

    The Emergence of Palestinian Arab Nationalism
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4193729


    GladiatorSam saidI have no idea where the Zonists get their info? They claim everything belong to them. Golan Heights never was part of Palestine. It was part French mandate of Syria. Under the british mandate, the West of Jordan was called Palestine and east of Jordan was called transjordan. Zionists were European settlers. They immigrated to palestine.

    That is another thing that make me dislike zionist, they think they could change the history?!
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    Apr 27, 2016 8:42 PM GMT
    It seems ISIS are good at beheading kidnap victims and bombing unwitting civilians, but couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.

    Dead Isis fighter's headcam video shows chaos and disorganisation at frontline

    A video has emerged purporting to show Isis propaganda footage that was never intended for an international audience, with a bungling group of jihadists losing a battle against the Kurds in northern Iraq and retreating in chaos.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-headcam-video-abu-hajaar-fighter-chaos-disorganisation-at-frontline-a7004236.html
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    Apr 27, 2016 9:27 PM GMT
    What a shame...

    Islamic State Executes 21 Commanders After Recent Defeats

    According to reports from the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, as related by the UK Daily Mail, the Islamic State went on a killing spree against its own commanders over the past three weeks, executing 21 of them for failure in Syria.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/25/isis-reportedly-executes-21-commanders-45-fighters-defeats/
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3384

    Apr 27, 2016 11:43 PM GMT
    Thanks for saving us (or someone) the trouble.
    But do they still get the virgins?
    If not, there should be a "let us kill you before your bosses do" campaign... "your future depends on it!"


    At least they're not executing them for being gay.
    (Though they would if they were.)

    Newsweek: Hamas executes prominent commander after accusations of gay sex
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4188753