Thousands want GOP to let angry voters bring guns to Republican convention in case of ISIS attack

  • metta

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    Mar 26, 2016 12:58 AM GMT
    Thousands want GOP to let angry voters bring guns to Republican convention in case of ISIS attack



    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/thousands-want-gop-to-let-angry-voters-bring-guns-to-republican-convention-in-case-of-isis-attack/

    Petition:

    https://www.change.org/p/quicken-loans-arena-allow-open-carry-of-firearms-at-the-quicken-loans-arena-during-the-rnc-convention-in-july-2
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 26, 2016 11:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAnd so long as they are licensed, why not? Unless of course Ohio, Cuyahoga County or Cleveland law prohibits it.

    Perhaps you should turn your attention to all the unlicensed, illegally obtained firearms that are killing dozens of young African-Americans in Chicago each week instead of worrying about licensed gun owners.


    Who had possession of illegally obtained firearms before they were illegally obtained?
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    Mar 27, 2016 12:00 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    southbeach1500 saidAnd so long as they are licensed, why not? Unless of course Ohio, Cuyahoga County or Cleveland law prohibits it.

    Perhaps you should turn your attention to all the unlicensed, illegally obtained firearms that are killing dozens of young African-Americans in Chicago each week instead of worrying about licensed gun owners.


    Who had possession of illegally obtained firearms before they were illegally obtained?

    Any number of possibilities including burglaries. But that does not pertain to those who do possess legally obtained firearms.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 27, 2016 12:02 AM GMT
    It absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.
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    Mar 27, 2016 12:03 AM GMT
    metta said
    Thousands want GOP to let angry voters bring guns to Republican convention in case of ISIS attack

    I'm sure the Secret Service and FBI will be thrilled by that prospect.

    How do you distinguish between an armed Presidential candidate supporter versus an assassin?
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    Mar 27, 2016 12:06 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile saidIt absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.

    In your opinion. Organizations such as the NRA suggest safe handling procedures. If someone allows their possessions to get stolen, unless they have broken any local laws, it's on them. I bear no responsibility for someone illegally getting a gun unless it is/was mine.
  • rnch

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    Mar 27, 2016 12:10 AM GMT
    "What could go wrong?"




    "It seemed like a good idea at the time."






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  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 27, 2016 12:11 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Hypertrophile saidIt absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.

    In your opinion. Organizations such as the NRA suggest safe handling procedures. If someone allows their possessions to get stolen, unless they have broken any local laws, it's on them. I bear no responsibility for someone illegally getting a gun unless it is/was mine.


    Well, I keep hearing, "where's the outrage from the left?" from conservatives on issues of black on white crime, for example. So, where's the outrage from the gun community when their own allow their guns, unintentionally or otherwise, to fall into the hands of criminals.

    Just like the medical community has responsibility for prescription drug abuse, and the Catholic church has responsibility for abusive priests, the gun community are enablers.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 27, 2016 12:12 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Hypertrophile saidIt absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.


    The scrambled "logic" of the left at work. icon_eek.gif


    The right has no logic where guns are concerned.
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    Mar 27, 2016 12:12 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Hypertrophile saidIt absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.


    The scrambled logic of the left at work. icon_eek.gif

    I suppose they think the "gun community" should answer for the fast and furious weapons that went to the Mexican cartels.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 27, 2016 12:13 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    southbeach1500 said
    Hypertrophile saidIt absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.


    The scrambled logic of the left at work. icon_eek.gif

    I suppose they think the "gun community" should answer for the fast and furious weapons that went to the Mexican cartels.


    No, but nice attempt at obfuscation.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 27, 2016 12:20 AM GMT
    rnch said"What could go wrong?"




    "It seemed like a good idea at the time."






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    Quite right. It's all good, until it isn't.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 27, 2016 12:27 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    southbeach1500 said
    Hypertrophile saidIt absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.


    The scrambled "logic" of the left at work. icon_eek.gif


    The right has no logic where guns are concerned.


    Well, to be fair, there are other areas where they are wholly illogical as well. icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 27, 2016 12:29 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    socalfitness said
    Hypertrophile saidIt absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.

    In your opinion. Organizations such as the NRA suggest safe handling procedures. If someone allows their possessions to get stolen, unless they have broken any local laws, it's on them. I bear no responsibility for someone illegally getting a gun unless it is/was mine.


    Well, I keep hearing, "where's the outrage from the left?" from conservatives on issues of black on white crime, for example. So, where's the outrage from the gun community when their own allow their guns, unintentionally or otherwise, to fall into the hands of criminals.

    Just like the medical community has responsibility for prescription drug abuse, and the Catholic church has responsibility for abusive priests, the gun community are enablers.

    False equivalencies. And who is the "gun community"? If you want to criticize a specific organization, such as the NRA, have at it. But a nebulous "gun community"? Would that be like the coffee drinkers community, or maybe the gamers community. Should they be held accountable for those who become addicted to games?
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    Mar 27, 2016 12:43 AM GMT
    tazzari said

    Well, to be fair, there are other areas where they are wholly illogical as well. icon_smile.gif

    Yeah, I'm not sure if logic, reason and common sense play any part in Republican ideology.
  • musclmed

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    Mar 27, 2016 2:06 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    socalfitness said
    Hypertrophile saidIt absolutely is pertinent. It's the gun community who should answer for those guns that are acquired illegally.

    In your opinion. Organizations such as the NRA suggest safe handling procedures. If someone allows their possessions to get stolen, unless they have broken any local laws, it's on them. I bear no responsibility for someone illegally getting a gun unless it is/was mine.


    Well, I keep hearing, "where's the outrage from the left?" from conservatives on issues of black on white crime, for example. So, where's the outrage from the gun community when their own allow their guns, unintentionally or otherwise, to fall into the hands of criminals.

    Just like the medical community has responsibility for prescription drug abuse, and the Catholic church has responsibility for abusive priests, the gun community are enablers.


    What an obtuse analogy.

    in Chicago , criminals in jail had bought there guns in gunstores 3% of the time. The nation data has it between 10-11%

    "I think it’s safe to say that a low percentage of criminal assaults and robberies are committed with guns that were acquired by legal purchase from a gun store," Cook said.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/05/joe-scarborough/msnbcs-joe-scarborough-tiny-fraction-crimes-commit/

    Please do not lay gun crimes at the feet of people who own guns. Exhibits A/B Chicago and Baltimore. Lay them at the Democratic party , that has control every aspect of government for several generations. A government that celebrates broken homes, rewards sloth and drives out opportunity.

    I grew up in NYC. Guns were illegal to own. I personally dont own any guns but I trained to use them in the boy-scouts. In California its too much of a negative item for a person with a professional license to want to even deal with.

    I think guns at the convention is a horrible idea. I dont think its an extension of the second amendment because the Secret Service is protecting the event.

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    Mar 27, 2016 2:25 AM GMT
    Perhaps the RNC attendees just want to follow the example of the GOP candidates.

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  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 27, 2016 2:41 AM GMT
    I just wonder how all those guns would protect the convention from a madman with his thumb on a kill switch.
  • musclmed

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    Mar 27, 2016 3:06 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile saidI just wonder how all those guns would protect the convention from a madman with his thumb on a kill switch.


    I wonder too. It wont at all. The request wont be granted. But its obviously is a policy ploy. They are trying to highlight a policy they believe in by the Change.org petition. Assuming it is legitimate. To me it would seem to be a nice contrived plot to put such a request up there to politically embarrass the convention.

    But i cant help to touch your baseless claim.
    So, where's the outrage from the gun community when their own allow their guns, unintentionally or otherwise, to fall into the hands of criminals.

    So gun owners are not outraged when there guns are stolen ?

    Personal handguns represent a minority among crimes committed by guns.

    The criminal problem in major cities are not created by legal guns bought in gun stores. They represent actually the minority of guns and are usually obtained illegally. Stolen, re imported, etc. Making all of the silly laws and the wasted energy on the left for naught.

    You said above "Who had possession of illegally obtained firearms before they were illegally obtained".

    See you just filled in the blanks with pablum and taken it on faith that illegal guns all were "owned" by someone at some point. They are usually re imported illegally bought and sold on the black market. Just as in Europe, England and other areas of the world.

    The left is obsessed with guns, however far more dangerous and obvious things are permitted.

    30 people per day are shot and killed in the US across ALL AGES Groups, however Older adults ( over 65) 15 were killed in just that age demographic per day in car accidents. The number is up 34% since 1999, despite safer cars. Other demographics have gone down.

    Despite tougher laws in California, you have drivers in your own Palm Springs, possibly your neighbor driving vehicles when they are legally blind , on dementia medication etc. Physicans can only refer to the DMV for a "test" .In Palm Springs your neighbor is more likely to kill you with his car, than any gun.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Mar 27, 2016 3:39 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    Hypertrophile saidI just wonder how all those guns would protect the convention from a madman with his thumb on a kill switch.


    I wonder too. It wont at all. The request wont be granted. But its obviously is a policy ploy. They are trying to highlight a policy they believe in by the Change.org petition. Assuming it is legitimate. To me it would seem to be a nice contrived plot to put such a request up there to politically embarrass the convention.

    But i cant help to touch your baseless claim.
    So, where's the outrage from the gun community when their own allow their guns, unintentionally or otherwise, to fall into the hands of criminals.

    So gun owners are not outraged when there guns are stolen ?

    Personal handguns represent a minority among crimes committed by guns.

    The criminal problem in major cities are not created by legal guns bought in gun stores. They represent actually the minority of guns and are usually obtained illegally. Stolen, re imported, etc. Making all of the silly laws and the wasted energy on the left for naught.

    You said above "Who had possession of illegally obtained firearms before they were illegally obtained".

    See you just filled in the blanks with pablum and taken it on faith that illegal guns all were "owned" by someone at some point. They are usually re imported illegally bought and sold on the black market. Just as in Europe, England and other areas of the world.

    The left is obsessed with guns, however far more dangerous and obvious things are permitted.

    30 people per day are shot and killed in the US across ALL AGES Groups, however Older adults ( over 65) 15 were killed in just that age demographic per day in car accidents. The number is up 34% since 1999, despite safer cars. Other demographics have gone down.

    Despite tougher laws in California, you have drivers in your own Palm Springs, possibly your neighbor driving vehicles when they are legally blind , on dementia medication etc. Physicans can only refer to the DMV for a "test" .In Palm Springs your neighbor is more likely to kill you with his car, than any gun.


    I wasn't filling in blanks. I was asking a legitimate question. I hadn't heard about guns being "reimported illegally", which is really a nicer way of saying smuggled, isn't it? A quick search turns up more information on guns being smuggled out of the country rather than the other way around. One stat I found said some 2000 per day come here from Mexico, which is approximately how many are smuggled out across the Southern border, so based purely on that information it seems to be a wash, but this is hardly a scientific analysis.

    I do know, however, that some 400,000 guns are stolen in the US every year, and "only" about 250,000 of these are reported to the police, and I consider both to be a problem that the gun owning public, or "gun community", should address. One of the initial responses to my query was "burglary", almost like he was pooh-poohing the statistic. How can you pooh-pooh 400,000 stolen guns every year?
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    Mar 27, 2016 4:11 AM GMT
    metta said
    Thousands want GOP to let angry voters bring guns to Republican convention in case of ISIS attack

    That may create a dilemma for Republicans. For security reasons they really can't, and the Secret Service may not allow it near Presidential candidates. But then they risk offending the NRA fanatics, who want to go armed everywhere.

    This is the Devil's deal Republicans made with the NRA for their votes. Now they've gotta live with the consequences. And the candidates better be wearing protective vests.

    Which may not protect them against suicide bombers anyway, the ISIS preferred method of attack. Do these NRA gun nuts really think they're gonna play out the Showdown at the OK Corral, with thousands of people present? It'll turn into a shooting gallery.
  • 24hourguy

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    Mar 28, 2016 2:59 PM GMT
    I think this is a great idea! Fill the place with gasoline and then light a match -problem solved
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    Mar 29, 2016 12:34 AM GMT
    One way that the powers that be for this convention could consider is to announce that they will deputize a small number of thoroughly screened and diverse applicants to represent the gun owners and carry their guns. These people would have to legally consent to severe consequences if their identity is publicly revealed before and during the convention.

    I'm also sure the Secret service must consider screening for lethal underground groups or brothers as the Muslim dudes killed with, that could put together glass tubes as a way to launch biochemical agents etc. Or old gay men carry biological agents up their self-love/hate canals and pass the agent to young Realjockers, who will show off their athletic prowess by throwing the agents at the faces of their targets.

    Ok now I'm probably gonna be watched by the powers that be.
    Oh I'm watching too much TV.

    And I like Kasich but like most voters, I haven't done my homework enough to completely go for anyone yet. That's so sad.

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    Mar 29, 2016 11:41 AM GMT
    24hourguy saidI think this is a great idea! Fill the place with gasoline and then light a match -problem solved


    Yeah, I don't get what the problem is. Let these fools shoot eachother like fish in a barrel if thats what they want. About time gun nuts start killing other gun nuts instead of the rest of us.
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    Mar 29, 2016 12:37 PM GMT
    This is massively exciting. I couldn't imagine a Republican contested convention without guns. It wouldn't be fun to do backroom deals, arm-twisting and delegate-hunting if one didn't have a semiautomatic.