Alpha13 saidBernie should run as an Independent . The Democratic Party has become evil+1
and they are trying to screw him over.
The myth of the “independent” voter
A new poll finds that just 5 percent of voters are truly “independent” – ideologically centrist and unaffiliated with either political party...
Not all Independents are moderate, and not all moderates are Independent. In fact, the two groups barely overlap.
...the term “Independent” is fairly meaningless when it comes to thinking about key voters. In the news media, the terms “Independent” and “moderate” are often used interchangeably to mean those voters who fall in between Democrats and Republicans in their political beliefs.
However, if you ask voters about their party affiliation – Democrat, Republican, or Independent – as well as their political ideology – liberal, moderate, or conservative – it becomes clear that not all Independents are moderates and not all moderates are Independent. Instead, voters call themselves “Independent” as a way to describe a wide variety of political positions....
In fact, we found that the share of voters who consider themselves both “Independent” and ideologically “moderate” make up just 5 percent of the overall electorate!
If we eliminate the voters who say they are Independent but lean towards one party, what’s left are just 20 percent of voters who say they do not lean in one direction or another. A third (33%) of voters either identify with the Republican Party or lean in that direction, and 45 percent identify or lean towards the Democratic party.
...From an ideological standpoint, 29 percent of voters consider themselves to be “liberal,” 24 percent “conservative,” and 47 percent “moderate.”
...15 percent of voters who call themselves Independent actually place themselves ideologically in line with one of the parties in Congress (“Democrats with a Home” and “Republicans with a Home”); these voters seem simply to be uncomfortable labeling themselves as a member of a particular party, or prefer to think of themselves as Independent even if the label is not accurate...
...The largest group (37 percent) of those using the Independent label actually consists of voters who place themselves on the edges of the political spectrum: strong liberals and conservatives who think Democrats and Republicans are in fact too moderate....
In fact, among the voters who identify themselves as “Independent” in our poll, only a quarter – just 5 percent of the overall electorate – fall into the standard, commonly-used definition of an Independent: voters who do not identify with a party and at the same time place themselves ideologically between Democrats and Republicans.
carew28 said As an Independant, one can vote in the primary election for a candidate of either party that you choose, and you don't have to be limited by party affiliation.
DOMINUS saidThe "independents" that I know--and I know many from my previous political engagements--like to pretend that they're thoughtful. In reality, they're confused and indecisive. If you truly and genuinely know your core values, you will know in which direction you lean.
JasonnNM saidfolks are fleeing the gop in droves lolThey are also abandoning the Democratic Party as well.
Razvigor saidAs a non-american, I have to say I extremely admire your Constitution, but your voting system is seriously ridiculous and flawed.
We are done with elections in about 2 months tops. You guys take a year or so to get things done, and there are so many complex details surrounding all of that when it comes to winning that seems you are playing the election game on hard mode.
Also, from what I have gathered .. if I'm wrong, please correct me .. I'm a Sanders guy myself, he's pretty popular here in Europe (we would would ditch most of the politicians here just to have him run Europe as a whole), but even if he wins, I've read that he will have problems with the Congress, which is where most of the "magic" happens, and right now there's a lot of republican "occupation" going on there? How could he hypothetically deal with that and be able to run his presidential agenda as he laid it out without blockades from that institution?
Radd saidThis is where the American voters need to brush up on the three separate branches of government. The President and Vice President need to have a like minded Congress in order to pursue and implement their agenda. Otherwise it is complete gridlock. But most American voters haven't figured that out. Go figure.Razvigor saidAs a non-american, I have to say I extremely admire your Constitution, but your voting system is seriously ridiculous and flawed.
We are done with elections in about 2 months tops. You guys take a year or so to get things done, and there are so many complex details surrounding all of that when it comes to winning that seems you are playing the election game on hard mode.
Also, from what I have gathered .. if I'm wrong, please correct me .. I'm a Sanders guy myself, he's pretty popular here in Europe (we would would ditch most of the politicians here just to have him run Europe as a whole), but even if he wins, I've read that he will have problems with the Congress, which is where most of the "magic" happens, and right now there's a lot of republican "occupation" going on there? How could he hypothetically deal with that and be able to run his presidential agenda as he laid it out without blockades from that institution?
Yes, it's a complete joke. An election should not take this long. Two months is long enough. And what you probably don't realize is how it takes an emotional toll on the citizens. People get afraid to spend money, which hurts the economy.
Radd said
Yes, it's a complete joke. An election should not take this long. Two months is long enough. And what you probably don't realize is how it takes an emotional toll on the citizens. People get afraid to spend money, which hurts the economy.
Yeah, sorry to hear that. I think some reforms need to be set in place to fix this. But it shouldn't wait on reform-open politicians to happen, but the people have to scream the demand.
Also, isn't your economy doing quite well? I think you are the 6th or 7th highest in the world. If I'm wrong, do correct me.
Razvigor saidRadd said
Yes, it's a complete joke. An election should not take this long. Two months is long enough. And what you probably don't realize is how it takes an emotional toll on the citizens. People get afraid to spend money, which hurts the economy.
Yeah, sorry to hear that. I think some reforms need to be set in place to fix this. But it shouldn't wait on reform-open politicians to happen, but the people have to scream the demand.
Also, isn't your economy doing quite well? I think you are the 6th or 7th highest in the world. If I'm wrong, do correct me.
Each city is different really. We Americans think it's horrible right now because we've had it so good for so long. We're in a bit of a recession right now but things are on the upswing. However, oil prices have dropped drastically and many people (especially in Texas) are really hurting. This affects our whole economy. But yes, all things considered we have it very good.
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