Independents Will Soon Outnumber Democrats and Republicans Combined

  • metta

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    Mar 27, 2016 6:22 PM GMT
    Independents Will Soon Outnumber Democrats and Republicans Combined


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    http://ivn.us/2015/07/06/poll-independents-will-soon-outnumber-republicans-democrats-combined/
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 27, 2016 8:36 PM GMT
    I most likely will be joining them soon.
  • 24hourguy

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    Mar 28, 2016 5:00 PM GMT
    not surprising
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    Mar 28, 2016 5:42 PM GMT
    Bernie should run as an Independent . The Democratic Party has become evil
    and they are trying to screw him over.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 28, 2016 5:57 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidBernie should run as an Independent . The Democratic Party has become evil
    and they are trying to screw him over.
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  • carew28

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    Mar 28, 2016 7:41 PM GMT
    I changed over from Democrat to Independant about 15 years ago. For the rank-and-file voter, I don't see any advantage to remaining affiliated to one of the major parties. As an Independant, one can vote in the primary election for a candidate of either party that you choose, and you don't have to be limited by party affiliation.

    Bernie is a pretty shrewd politician, and I don't think he wants a repeat of the 2000 election, when Independant Ralph Nader drew a substantial number of votes away from the Democratic candidate (Gore), which ensured that the Republican (Bush Jr.) would therefore win, even though he had only a minority of the popular vote (he won through the Electoral College system). Sanders is challenging the Democratic candidate in the primaries for the nomination, but he won't oppose her come November in the presidential election.

    Sometimes you just have to choose between the lesser of two evils.
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    Mar 28, 2016 9:09 PM GMT
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    the following seems circa 2014

    http://republic3-0.com/myth-independent-voter-stefan-hankin/
    The myth of the “independent” voter

    A new poll finds that just 5 percent of voters are truly “independent” – ideologically centrist and unaffiliated with either political party...

    Not all Independents are moderate, and not all moderates are Independent. In fact, the two groups barely overlap.

    ...the term “Independent” is fairly meaningless when it comes to thinking about key voters. In the news media, the terms “Independent” and “moderate” are often used interchangeably to mean those voters who fall in between Democrats and Republicans in their political beliefs.

    However, if you ask voters about their party affiliation – Democrat, Republican, or Independent – as well as their political ideology – liberal, moderate, or conservative – it becomes clear that not all Independents are moderates and not all moderates are Independent. Instead, voters call themselves “Independent” as a way to describe a wide variety of political positions....

    In fact, we found that the share of voters who consider themselves both “Independent” and ideologically “moderate” make up just 5 percent of the overall electorate!

    If we eliminate the voters who say they are Independent but lean towards one party, what’s left are just 20 percent of voters who say they do not lean in one direction or another. A third (33%) of voters either identify with the Republican Party or lean in that direction, and 45 percent identify or lean towards the Democratic party.

    ...From an ideological standpoint, 29 percent of voters consider themselves to be “liberal,” 24 percent “conservative,” and 47 percent “moderate.”

    ...15 percent of voters who call themselves Independent actually place themselves ideologically in line with one of the parties in Congress (“Democrats with a Home” and “Republicans with a Home”); these voters seem simply to be uncomfortable labeling themselves as a member of a particular party, or prefer to think of themselves as Independent even if the label is not accurate...

    ...The largest group (37 percent) of those using the Independent label actually consists of voters who place themselves on the edges of the political spectrum: strong liberals and conservatives who think Democrats and Republicans are in fact too moderate....

    In fact, among the voters who identify themselves as “Independent” in our poll, only a quarter – just 5 percent of the overall electorate – fall into the standard, commonly-used definition of an Independent: voters who do not identify with a party and at the same time place themselves ideologically between Democrats and Republicans.


    lololololol so much for "independents"
  • HartG

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    Mar 28, 2016 9:15 PM GMT
    I've been unaffiliated/independent since 2008- welcome to the party you all, what took you so long to realize BOTH parties are crazy?
  • leanandclean

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    Mar 29, 2016 9:47 AM GMT
    carew28 said As an Independant, one can vote in the primary election for a candidate of either party that you choose, and you don't have to be limited by party affiliation.


    Rules on this vary by state.
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    Mar 29, 2016 12:48 PM GMT
    The "independents" that I know--and I know many from my previous political engagements--like to pretend that they're thoughtful. In reality, they're confused and indecisive. If you truly and genuinely know your core values, you will know in which direction you lean.
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    Mar 29, 2016 3:00 PM GMT
    They're the political str8 guys who happen to suck dick and prefer to bottom.

    On the Democratic-leaning side of them, I don't relate but I can understand someone distancing themselves by the disinformation campaign of the dirty-ass GOP which so successfully demeaned even the word liberal over all these years of their very directed effort.

    It would not be unlike a Jewish person denying being Jewish in an era of Nazism, or a gay guy living in the closet during a time when homophobes roamed freely, or even now for that matter. People do what they feel they must to survive.

    But what's a Republican's excuse for claiming being "independent" while actually right-leaning? Who are they trying to fool?

    I suppose the existence of the so-called independent could be rationalized variously. Perhaps a right-leaning one is horrified by the Republican's religiosity used to justify their bigotry. Or maybe a left-leaning one is horrified by the Democrats having been pulled so far to the right by the liberal bashers, or whatever other reason.

    But does disenfranchising yourself empower you or is it irresponsible pouting? Which better steers the royal barge, rowing harder to one side, or jumping overboard to nudge the boat while treading water?

    It's a good thing they're so practiced at holding their breath if they don't get their way. Because these ships with more than a century and a half of momentum propelling them are steaming on.

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    Mar 29, 2016 10:13 PM GMT
    This great news.
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    Mar 30, 2016 6:31 PM GMT
    I switched to Independent in 1998. The problem with switching is that many states don't have open primaries which is how we have ended up with the likes of Hillary and Trump.

    For National Elections, the primary rules should be the same for each state.

    Flipping coins to decide who wins, Super Delegates and Winner Take all primaries should be eliminated.
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    Mar 30, 2016 8:11 PM GMT
    because there is no difference , between the parties. Its more a tango. Soon Hillary and Trump will tango, and dangle legislation in front of you like candy. Libertarianism is the way to go .
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  • JasonnNM

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    Mar 30, 2016 9:21 PM GMT
    folks are fleeing the gop in droves lol
  • JasonnNM

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    Mar 30, 2016 9:24 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidThe "independents" that I know--and I know many from my previous political engagements--like to pretend that they're thoughtful. In reality, they're confused and indecisive. If you truly and genuinely know your core values, you will know in which direction you lean.



    also a lot of them think it's cool to be an independent, like it makes them morally superior when really they just don't have the brains to figure out what they stand for or the balls to fight for the shit they believe in.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 31, 2016 1:52 AM GMT
    JasonnNM saidfolks are fleeing the gop in droves lol
    They are also abandoning the Democratic Party as well. icon_cool.gif
  • metta

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    Mar 31, 2016 2:26 AM GMT
    ^
    Yes the statistics have shown that it has been gradually happening for years on both sides. I think this year could put it into overdrive. ;)
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    Mar 31, 2016 2:33 AM GMT
    If these clowns we have as candidates right now isn't enough to make people go Independent, nothing will. icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 01, 2016 12:10 AM GMT
    As a non-american, I have to say I extremely admire your Constitution, but your voting system is seriously ridiculous and flawed.

    We are done with elections in about 2 months tops. You guys take a year or so to get things done, and there are so many complex details surrounding all of that when it comes to winning that seems you are playing the election game on hard mode.

    Also, from what I have gathered .. if I'm wrong, please correct me .. I'm a Sanders guy myself, he's pretty popular here in Europe (we would would ditch most of the politicians here just to have him run Europe as a whole), but even if he wins, I've read that he will have problems with the Congress, which is where most of the "magic" happens, and right now there's a lot of republican "occupation" going on there? How could he hypothetically deal with that and be able to run his presidential agenda as he laid it out without blockades from that institution?
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    Apr 02, 2016 3:20 AM GMT
    Razvigor saidAs a non-american, I have to say I extremely admire your Constitution, but your voting system is seriously ridiculous and flawed.

    We are done with elections in about 2 months tops. You guys take a year or so to get things done, and there are so many complex details surrounding all of that when it comes to winning that seems you are playing the election game on hard mode.

    Also, from what I have gathered .. if I'm wrong, please correct me .. I'm a Sanders guy myself, he's pretty popular here in Europe (we would would ditch most of the politicians here just to have him run Europe as a whole), but even if he wins, I've read that he will have problems with the Congress, which is where most of the "magic" happens, and right now there's a lot of republican "occupation" going on there? How could he hypothetically deal with that and be able to run his presidential agenda as he laid it out without blockades from that institution?




    Yes, it's a complete joke. An election should not take this long. Two months is long enough. And what you probably don't realize is how it takes an emotional toll on the citizens. People get afraid to spend money, which hurts the economy.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 02, 2016 2:44 PM GMT
    Radd said
    Razvigor saidAs a non-american, I have to say I extremely admire your Constitution, but your voting system is seriously ridiculous and flawed.

    We are done with elections in about 2 months tops. You guys take a year or so to get things done, and there are so many complex details surrounding all of that when it comes to winning that seems you are playing the election game on hard mode.

    Also, from what I have gathered .. if I'm wrong, please correct me .. I'm a Sanders guy myself, he's pretty popular here in Europe (we would would ditch most of the politicians here just to have him run Europe as a whole), but even if he wins, I've read that he will have problems with the Congress, which is where most of the "magic" happens, and right now there's a lot of republican "occupation" going on there? How could he hypothetically deal with that and be able to run his presidential agenda as he laid it out without blockades from that institution?




    Yes, it's a complete joke. An election should not take this long. Two months is long enough. And what you probably don't realize is how it takes an emotional toll on the citizens. People get afraid to spend money, which hurts the economy.
    This is where the American voters need to brush up on the three separate branches of government. The President and Vice President need to have a like minded Congress in order to pursue and implement their agenda. Otherwise it is complete gridlock. But most American voters haven't figured that out. Go figure.
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    Radd said

    Yes, it's a complete joke. An election should not take this long. Two months is long enough. And what you probably don't realize is how it takes an emotional toll on the citizens. People get afraid to spend money, which hurts the economy.


    Yeah, sorry to hear that. I think some reforms need to be set in place to fix this. But it shouldn't wait on reform-open politicians to happen, but the people have to scream the demand.

    Also, isn't your economy doing quite well? I think you are the 6th or 7th highest in the world. If I'm wrong, do correct me.
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    Razvigor said
    Radd said

    Yes, it's a complete joke. An election should not take this long. Two months is long enough. And what you probably don't realize is how it takes an emotional toll on the citizens. People get afraid to spend money, which hurts the economy.


    Yeah, sorry to hear that. I think some reforms need to be set in place to fix this. But it shouldn't wait on reform-open politicians to happen, but the people have to scream the demand.

    Also, isn't your economy doing quite well? I think you are the 6th or 7th highest in the world. If I'm wrong, do correct me.



    Each city is different really. We Americans think it's horrible right now because we've had it so good for so long. We're in a bit of a recession right now but things are on the upswing. However, oil prices have dropped drastically and many people (especially in Texas) are really hurting. This affects our whole economy. But yes, all things considered we have it very good.