Question for Vegan Bodybuilders - What Protein Powder Do You Use and Why?

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    Mar 27, 2016 7:47 PM GMT
    I'm not vegan but I get sinus infections from whey protein powders so I only use vegan protein powders now. I've tried several but the only one I can stomach the taste of is Vega. But my question is, is this the BEST protein powder or am I just using the best tasting? I've read good things about hemp protein but like whey, they seem to be sponsored by the very people who stand to profit from your purchase. I'd love to hear input from others.
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    Mar 28, 2016 5:47 PM GMT
    Bwahahahha "vegan bodybuilders". Dude, ANYONE who tells you they are a vegan bodybuilder is either:
    1) lying, or
    2) intentionally not mentioning when exactly they became a vegan.

    There are quite a few guys who identify as "vegan bodybuilders" who built almost all of their mass BEFORE going vegan. I know of one personally whom I've met who founded a famous vegan bodybuilding site.

    If you compare the nutrition info on Vega or any of the other vegan protein powders to that of whey or chicken breast you'll notice something telling: you need to consume MUCH more vegan protein powder to hit your daily protein goal (1.5g protein per lean body mass, at least) than whey or meat. In fact, it would be nearly impossible.

    I was a vegetarian for over 20 years, and also a gym rat for over 10 of those years; I only started making serious gains after giving up vegetarianism and incorporating chicken into my diet. I DO think it's possible to make decent gains without chicken and just vegetarian proteins (whey, casein, etc) but with only a vegan powder? You'll just be wasting your time.
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    Mar 28, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
    https://youtu.be/1f-fMN2v8Uk

    I've been vegan 15 years and started using Vega a few years ago. I saw they just recently put out a pure protein powder with no added stuff which will be nice cause I find their flavoured protein powders to be a bit sweet with all the stevia. You can also find straight up pea protein powder and peanut protein powder with no additives. They're great for making your own mixes, bars, or for cooking.

    Friends of mine also use Raw Power, but I haven't tried it.
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    Mar 28, 2016 9:48 PM GMT
    Hmm.. I'm not sure what you are using as the definition of bodybuilder. I am vegan and I lift.

    Anyway, here is my two cents:

    Pea protein powder has a higher bioavliblity than the other plant based protein powders and typically packs more protein per serving. I say typically because it really gets into what a maker calls a serving. Pea powder is the base protein in Vega Sport, Plant Fusion and a lot of the plant base protein powders out there. Rice powder comes in second and conviently enough is also in most of the popular vegan protein powders as well. The two also compliment each other's amino acid profile well.

    I personally just mix the two with some fruit and call it a day but if you want to get them pre-mixed and flavored then they are typically in most of the products out there.

    Here is a link for further reading on the two:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/wheys-vegan-alternatives-combining-pea-and-rice-protein.html
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    Mar 29, 2016 12:40 AM GMT
    I use the Vega Protein & Greens, both chocolate and vanilla flavour.
    It's the tastiest one I've found, but the Vega line overall has a lot to choose from, so there seems to be something for everyone.


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    Mar 29, 2016 1:26 AM GMT
    jackedgamer saidBwahahahha "vegan bodybuilders". Dude, ANYONE who tells you they are a vegan bodybuilder is either:
    1) lying, or
    2) intentionally not mentioning when exactly they became a vegan.

    There are quite a few guys who identify as "vegan bodybuilders" who built almost all of their mass BEFORE going vegan. I know of one personally whom I've met who founded a famous vegan bodybuilding site.

    If you compare the nutrition info on Vega or any of the other vegan protein powders to that of whey or chicken breast you'll notice something telling: you need to consume MUCH more vegan protein powder to hit your daily protein goal (1.5g protein per lean body mass, at least) than whey or meat. In fact, it would be nearly impossible.

    I was a vegetarian for over 20 years, and also a gym rat for over 10 of those years; I only started making serious gains after giving up vegetarianism and incorporating chicken into my diet. I DO think it's possible to make decent gains without chicken and just vegetarian proteins (whey, casein, etc) but with only a vegan powder? You'll just be wasting your time.




    Again.....I am NOT a vegan. But I get sinus infections from whey protein powders and they stopped as soon as I switched to a vegan powder. So I'm looking for recommendations for the best vegan protein powder, not to bash vegans.
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    Mar 29, 2016 3:09 AM GMT
    I would be very wary of rice protein. Rice pulls up more heavy metals out of the soil than any other plant. If you have a little bit of rice once a month it's not a big deal. If you're consuming multiple servings of rice protein though you're going to ingest a lot of arsenic over time.
    Do all milk products cause this problem for you? Or just whey? Have you tried casein powder? Kefir is a very good source of protein- 44 gm/quart. And it's 99% lactose free since its fermented.
    A lot of foods people warn you away from like soy and dairy and very easy to digest when they're fermented into yogurt/kefir and tempeh respectively.
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    Wyndahoi saidI would be very wary of rice protein. Rice pulls up more heavy metals out of the soil than any other plant. If you have a little bit of rice once a month it's not a big deal. If you're consuming multiple servings of rice protein though you're going to ingest a lot of arsenic over time.
    Do all milk products cause this problem for you? Or just whey? Have you tried casein powder? Kefir is a very good source of protein- 44 gm/quart. And it's 99% lactose free since its fermented.
    A lot of foods people warn you away from like soy and dairy and very easy to digest when they're fermented into yogurt/kefir and tempeh respectively.




    Yes, I've read that about rice.

    Man, I really don't know about Casein. I've never tried it but since it's still dairy I'm honestly really afraid to. Because once a sinus infection sets in, they can stick with me for weeks or even months. And they can be absolutely debilitating. And according to some articles I've read, Casein is the worst part of Whey. http://www.agelessimpact.com/fitness/58-honey-do-we-eat-glue-noooooo-i-lovingly-reminded-my-2-year-old-daughter

    I love Kefir but I would have to consume a ridiculous amount to get a decent amount of protein.
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    Mar 29, 2016 5:54 PM GMT
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    Again.....I am NOT a vegan. But I get sinus infections from whey protein powders and they stopped as soon as I switched to a vegan powder. So I'm looking for recommendations for the best vegan protein powder, not to bash vegans.


    I'm not bashing vegans, I'm just pointing out that there really is no such thing as a vegan bodybuilder, and pointing out facts about vegan powders.

    If you get sinus infections from whey (I've never heard of such a thing, but I don't doubt that's what you have) there are other non-vegan powders and sources of protein that are going to do you much more good than vegan ones. Just eat more chicken and fish.
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    robbaker saidwhy do you think how these top gay pro athletes and bodybuilders are all brutal sex maniacs with them 18+ year old bottom boys you see it porn all the time buffed up beefy roided top dads fucking them twinkie lads breaking them like a pretzel leaving their asses sored that they can't even walk for weeksicon_rolleyes.gif that's the power of them roids that's why they call it roid rage same for the straight ones as well.icon_rolleyes.gif
    Do you ever have anything intelligent to say or are you just a blathering, bumbling blowhardicon_mad.gificon_question.gif


    He's just a troll, ignore him. If you respond to him, you're just making his day.
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    Mar 30, 2016 4:42 AM GMT
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    Radd said


    Again.....I am NOT a vegan. But I get sinus infections from whey protein powders and they stopped as soon as I switched to a vegan powder. So I'm looking for recommendations for the best vegan protein powder, not to bash vegans.


    I'm not bashing vegans, I'm just pointing out that there really is no such thing as a vegan bodybuilder, and pointing out facts about vegan powders.

    If you get sinus infections from whey (I've never heard of such a thing, but I don't doubt that's what you have) there are other non-vegan powders and sources of protein that are going to do you much more good than vegan ones. Just eat more chicken and fish.



    I'm all for eating actual food over shakes but I have a high metabolism and eat very often, which makes taking in all the food I need difficult during the day. I really prefer doing a shake for breakfast for many reasons.....one is time restraints but mainly I like to mix my supplements in with the shake, such as my powdered calcium/magnesium, glutamine, l-citrullene, probiotics, liquid multivitamins and turmeric. Plus it's how I get my greens and fruit in for the day as I'm really not a huge fruit and veggie lover. So my shakes are super important for me.

    I also like to do a second shake right after my workouts from my locker because I bike to and from the gym and I'm starving if I wait until after I shower and steam, then bike home.
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    Mar 30, 2016 5:22 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidWhy turmeric?




    It has tons of health benefits. It's a potent anti-inflammatory and protects brain function as well as many other things. It also gives my smoothies a nice subtle bite. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=78
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    Wyndahoi saidI would be very wary of rice protein. Rice pulls up more heavy metals out of the soil than any other plant. If you have a little bit of rice once a month it's not a big deal. If you're consuming multiple servings of rice protein though you're going to ingest a lot of arsenic over time.
    Do all milk products cause this problem for you? Or just whey? Have you tried casein powder? Kefir is a very good source of protein- 44 gm/quart. And it's 99% lactose free since its fermented.
    A lot of foods people warn you away from like soy and dairy and very easy to digest when they're fermented into yogurt/kefir and tempeh respectively.


    If you're worried about possible arsenic in rice protein powders (which mind you is naturally occurring in numerous plants including apples) then you should be worried about all the bovine growth hormone, anti-biotics, and genetically engineered soy fed to the cows your whey protein is coming from. Come on now...
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    Mar 31, 2016 3:03 AM GMT
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    Wyndahoi saidI would be very wary of rice protein. Rice pulls up more heavy metals out of the soil than any other plant. If you have a little bit of rice once a month it's not a big deal. If you're consuming multiple servings of rice protein though you're going to ingest a lot of arsenic over time.
    Do all milk products cause this problem for you? Or just whey? Have you tried casein powder? Kefir is a very good source of protein- 44 gm/quart. And it's 99% lactose free since its fermented.
    A lot of foods people warn you away from like soy and dairy and very easy to digest when they're fermented into yogurt/kefir and tempeh respectively.


    If you're worried about possible arsenic in rice protein powders (which mind you is naturally occurring in numerous plants including apples) then you should be worried about all the bovine growth hormone, anti-biotics, and genetically engineered soy fed to the cows your whey protein is coming from. Come on now...



    That's what I'm thinking too. It's much easier to detox your body of heavy metals than all that shit they pump into cows these days. Plus you just know the shit they use for the whey protein is probably the lowest quality imaginable.
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    Mar 31, 2016 7:34 AM GMT
    Radd saidI'm not vegan but I get sinus infections from whey protein powders so I only use vegan protein powders now. I've tried several but the only one I can stomach the taste of is Vega. But my question is, is this the BEST protein powder or am I just using the best tasting? I've read good things about hemp protein but like whey, they seem to be sponsored by the very people who stand to profit from your purchase. I'd love to hear input from others.


    I just use vegan creatine. seems to be better for me than protein powder. have been vegan for 5 years.
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    Wyndahoi saidI would be very wary of rice protein. Rice pulls up more heavy metals out of the soil than any other plant. If you have a little bit of rice once a month it's not a big deal. If you're consuming multiple servings of rice protein though you're going to ingest a lot of arsenic over time.
    Do all milk products cause this problem for you? Or just whey? Have you tried casein powder? Kefir is a very good source of protein- 44 gm/quart. And it's 99% lactose free since its fermented.
    A lot of foods people warn you away from like soy and dairy and very easy to digest when they're fermented into yogurt/kefir and tempeh respectively.


    If you're worried about possible arsenic in rice protein powders (which mind you is naturally occurring in numerous plants including apples) then you should be worried about all the bovine growth hormone, anti-biotics, and genetically engineered soy fed to the cows your whey protein is coming from. Come on now...



    That's what I'm thinking too. It's much easier to detox your body of heavy metals than all that shit they pump into cows these days. Plus you just know the shit they use for the whey protein is probably the lowest quality imaginable.


    Actually, your thinking is wrong. First of all, there is no proof that hormones or other "shit they pump into cows these days" is actually bad for you. Which doesn't mean it's safe, just that there is no proof. However, there is LOTS of evidence of how bad heavy metals are for you. And no, it is NOT easy to remove them. There are some chelation therapies, but they have limited efficacy.
    I want to reiterate that I am not saying that modern meat and dairy industry is good and wholesome. I buy grass fed whey for that reason and limit my meat intake.
    However, rice and its derivatives need to be eaten with caution. Amounts of heavy metals present will vary depending on where it was grown. Bangladesh, for instance, has very high levels of arsenic in its groundwater. Eaten occasionally, you won't get enough heavy metals to be concerned. But frequent use of rice protein is probably not a good idea.
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    Mar 31, 2016 9:43 PM GMT
    I thought that with rice it was the bran that was the problem with arsenic. What I read is that brown rice is more of a concern than white rice since white rice has the bran polished off. Texas rice was high, California's high but not as high as Texas rice, and Asian rice low (I don't include India in Asia).

    Of course, just before reading about this I'd bought a big bag of rice bran from the health food store.   icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 31, 2016 11:19 PM GMT
    Radd said
    I'm all for eating actual food over shakes but I have a high metabolism and eat very often, which makes taking in all the food I need difficult during the day.

    I get that, but just because it's difficult doesn't make it impossible. I also have to make sure I'm getting at least 25g of protein every three hours or less. This means about four chicken breasts a day spread out throughout the day along with some protein shakes (one as soon as I wake up, one right after my workouts, and a casein one right before bed).

    And now it's time to admit I was wrong about something: I had assumed that the nutrition info was the same across the board for all Vega proteins, but it turns out that there is a Vega product that does have as many grams of protein per scoop as whey and other proteins: their Vega Sport Performance Protein has 25g per scoop (35g size) which is the same as most whey, so you're probably fine with going with that. I would NOT go with their Nutritional Shake (which has only 20g per 46g size scoop) or their "Protein & Greens" (which has only 20g protein per their 30g size scoop), or anything else besides the "Sport Performance" which is the only one that has a reasonable protein-per-amount ratio.

    Besides vegan powders you could also try beef protein powder (which is NOT as disgusting as it sounds):
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclemeds/carnivor.html;jsessionid=5A510AB7DB1DF5D6BB551374531F557C
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    Mar 31, 2016 11:21 PM GMT
    Silverlakr said
    Radd saidI'm not vegan but I get sinus infections from whey protein powders so I only use vegan protein powders now. I've tried several but the only one I can stomach the taste of is Vega. But my question is, is this the BEST protein powder or am I just using the best tasting? I've read good things about hemp protein but like whey, they seem to be sponsored by the very people who stand to profit from your purchase. I'd love to hear input from others.


    I just use vegan creatine. seems to be better for me than protein powder. have been vegan for 5 years.


    Creatine powder and protein powder are apples and oranges. Or worse: apples and crayons. They accomplish completely different goals, you can't use one for the other anymore than you bake a crayon pie or draw with an apple.
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    Apr 01, 2016 12:29 AM GMT
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    Radd said
    I'm all for eating actual food over shakes but I have a high metabolism and eat very often, which makes taking in all the food I need difficult during the day.

    I get that, but just because it's difficult doesn't make it impossible. I also have to make sure I'm getting at least 25g of protein every three hours or less. This means about four chicken breasts a day spread out throughout the day along with some protein shakes (one as soon as I wake up, one right after my workouts, and a casein one right before bed).

    And now it's time to admit I was wrong about something: I had assumed that the nutrition info was the same across the board for all Vega proteins, but it turns out that there is a Vega product that does have as many grams of protein per scoop as whey and other proteins: their Vega Sport Performance Protein has 25g per scoop (35g size) which is the same as most whey, so you're probably fine with going with that. I would NOT go with their Nutritional Shake (which has only 20g per 46g size scoop) or their "Protein & Greens" (which has only 20g protein per their 30g size scoop), or anything else besides the "Sport Performance" which is the only one that has a reasonable protein-per-amount ratio.

    Besides vegan powders you could also try beef protein powder (which is NOT as disgusting as it sounds):
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclemeds/carnivor.html;jsessionid=5A510AB7DB1DF5D6BB551374531F557C


    Vega recently re-did the Sport Protien and it is now 30g of protien per serving but they also upped the serving size:
    https://myvega.com/products/vega-sport-performance-protein-shaker-cup/

    There are several plant based products that will get you to the 25g per serving amount. Now Sports Pea Protein has 24g per 33g serving.

    Also, you had mentioned that it is hard to eat the amount of protein on a vegan diet but I have to disagree. If you look at something like Beyond Meat's products it is pretty easy to hit that 25g of protein in three hours. Beyond Meat chicken strips has 25g of protein per 150 calories vs 27g per 141 calories for a grilled chicken breast. So it isn't to far off.

    It would be far more expensive to go that route and I'm not saying it is what you should do. Just that is not as nearly impossible as you might have thought it to be.



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    Radd saidI'm not vegan but I get sinus infections from whey protein powders so I only use vegan protein powders now. I've tried several but the only one I can stomach the taste of is Vega. But my question is, is this the BEST protein powder or am I just using the best tasting? I've read good things about hemp protein but like whey, they seem to be sponsored by the very people who stand to profit from your purchase. I'd love to hear input from others.


    I just use vegan creatine. seems to be better for me than protein powder. have been vegan for 5 years.




    Vegan creatine? What does that have to do with protein? Two totally different things.
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    Radd said
    I'm all for eating actual food over shakes but I have a high metabolism and eat very often, which makes taking in all the food I need difficult during the day.

    I get that, but just because it's difficult doesn't make it impossible. I also have to make sure I'm getting at least 25g of protein every three hours or less. This means about four chicken breasts a day spread out throughout the day along with some protein shakes (one as soon as I wake up, one right after my workouts, and a casein one right before bed).

    And now it's time to admit I was wrong about something: I had assumed that the nutrition info was the same across the board for all Vega proteins, but it turns out that there is a Vega product that does have as many grams of protein per scoop as whey and other proteins: their Vega Sport Performance Protein has 25g per scoop (35g size) which is the same as most whey, so you're probably fine with going with that. I would NOT go with their Nutritional Shake (which has only 20g per 46g size scoop) or their "Protein & Greens" (which has only 20g protein per their 30g size scoop), or anything else besides the "Sport Performance" which is the only one that has a reasonable protein-per-amount ratio.

    Besides vegan powders you could also try beef protein powder (which is NOT as disgusting as it sounds):
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclemeds/carnivor.html;jsessionid=5A510AB7DB1DF5D6BB551374531F557C




    Yup. Vega Sport Performance is the one I use.
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    jackedgamer said
    Radd said
    I'm all for eating actual food over shakes but I have a high metabolism and eat very often, which makes taking in all the food I need difficult during the day.

    I get that, but just because it's difficult doesn't make it impossible. I also have to make sure I'm getting at least 25g of protein every three hours or less. This means about four chicken breasts a day spread out throughout the day along with some protein shakes (one as soon as I wake up, one right after my workouts, and a casein one right before bed).

    And now it's time to admit I was wrong about something: I had assumed that the nutrition info was the same across the board for all Vega proteins, but it turns out that there is a Vega product that does have as many grams of protein per scoop as whey and other proteins: their Vega Sport Performance Protein has 25g per scoop (35g size) which is the same as most whey, so you're probably fine with going with that. I would NOT go with their Nutritional Shake (which has only 20g per 46g size scoop) or their "Protein & Greens" (which has only 20g protein per their 30g size scoop), or anything else besides the "Sport Performance" which is the only one that has a reasonable protein-per-amount ratio.

    Besides vegan powders you could also try beef protein powder (which is NOT as disgusting as it sounds):
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclemeds/carnivor.html;jsessionid=5A510AB7DB1DF5D6BB551374531F557C


    Vega recently re-did the Sport Protien and it is now 30g of protien per serving but they also upped the serving size:
    https://myvega.com/products/vega-sport-performance-protein-shaker-cup/



    Yeah, I just bought another one today. It doesn't taste quite as good as the old formula but it's a subtle difference and still the best tasting on the market.
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    Wyndahoi said
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    mecduplateau said
    Wyndahoi saidI would be very wary of rice protein. Rice pulls up more heavy metals out of the soil than any other plant. If you have a little bit of rice once a month it's not a big deal. If you're consuming multiple servings of rice protein though you're going to ingest a lot of arsenic over time.
    Do all milk products cause this problem for you? Or just whey? Have you tried casein powder? Kefir is a very good source of protein- 44 gm/quart. And it's 99% lactose free since its fermented.
    A lot of foods people warn you away from like soy and dairy and very easy to digest when they're fermented into yogurt/kefir and tempeh respectively.


    If you're worried about possible arsenic in rice protein powders (which mind you is naturally occurring in numerous plants including apples) then you should be worried about all the bovine growth hormone, anti-biotics, and genetically engineered soy fed to the cows your whey protein is coming from. Come on now...



    That's what I'm thinking too. It's much easier to detox your body of heavy metals than all that shit they pump into cows these days. Plus you just know the shit they use for the whey protein is probably the lowest quality imaginable.


    Actually, your thinking is wrong. First of all, there is no proof that hormones or other "shit they pump into cows these days" is actually bad for you. Which doesn't mean it's safe, just that there is no proof. However, there is LOTS of evidence of how bad heavy metals are for you. And no, it is NOT easy to remove them. There are some chelation therapies, but they have limited efficacy.
    I want to reiterate that I am not saying that modern meat and dairy industry is good and wholesome. I buy grass fed whey for that reason and limit my meat intake.
    However, rice and its derivatives need to be eaten with caution. Amounts of heavy metals present will vary depending on where it was grown. Bangladesh, for instance, has very high levels of arsenic in its groundwater. Eaten occasionally, you won't get enough heavy metals to be concerned. But frequent use of rice protein is probably not a good idea.



    27 countries didn't ban bovine growth hormones for no reason. have fun with all that whey derived from synthetically induced hormones that cause massive infections in cows which then requires a ton of anti-biotics and then feed them genetically engineered soy crops banned in 38+ countries. have fun with all your diseases americans, lolz.