Islamism/Muslims is/are a Religion of Peace???

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    Mar 28, 2016 4:18 AM GMT
    Today, I heard this and I said prove it??
    The woman couldn't convince me.

    CAN YOU?
    I don't see Mormons/Baptist/Evangelicals blowing people up on a regular basis.....


    Prominent Muslims call for calm after Glasgow shopkeeper's killing

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/prominent-muslims-call-for-calm-after-glasgow-shopkeepers-killing/ar-BBqZJxa?li=BBnb7Kz
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    Mar 28, 2016 5:20 AM GMT
    It's a religion period. You can't just single one of the three major chaotic Abrahamic Religions out and call it "the" problem. Christians on the right feel that the left is being too politically correct by "not admitting" Islam is the problem yet dare an Atheist cross that line by stating "religion is the problem" to a room full of right wing, Trump supporting Christian Americans. Religion is the only reason the holy land of baby Jesus is able to blackmail the US.
    When you see Christians support the troops that fuel the never ending turmoil in the Middle East over oil and "terror" you end up with well over 50,000 homeless American war veterans on Main Street. Many end up in jail. They're killing themselves at a faster rate than the Muslim terrorist killing innocent Americans... Going to war to protect your Country against whatever bullshit story doesn't make you a noble Christian, it makes you brainwashed terrorist that's preventing any sort of peace from ever fucking happening.

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    Mar 28, 2016 5:37 AM GMT
    2Bnaked saidToday, I heard this and I said prove it??
    The woman couldn't convince me.

    CAN YOU?
    I don't see Mormons/Baptist/Evangelicals blowing people up on a regular basis.....


    Prominent Muslims call for calm after Glasgow shopkeeper's killing

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/prominent-muslims-call-for-calm-after-glasgow-shopkeepers-killing/ar-BBqZJxa?li=BBnb7Kz


    Almost a pointless thread, which will lead to a flame war.

    Before I start you forget the bombings in Lahore Pakistan.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/27/asia/pakistan-lahore-deadly-blast/

    Who knows Obama may even step in an lecture us.

    What I know is that where Islam goes misery follows. I know some very moral Muslims who are kind and contribute to humanity.

    Basically at its core Islam has a problem. Its a religion of control, however there is no real centralized power structure. Its basically the most radical that have the voice.

    I think however there is a thought process behind this headless beast of Islam in that its incompatible with Western Civilization, and therefore must force a fight to win. Just be coexisting side by side it will be diluted and neutered eventually.

    Europe opened its cities and was taught a lesson. What we can only hope for is some breakthrough in alternative energy so we can accelerate our withdrawal from fossil fuels. Once we are done with oil the middle east will return to the desert wasteland it is along with populations of mostly Islamic countries.

    So the platitude "Islam is a religion of Peace" is really disrespectful to terror victims and doesn't say much because the whole Quran speaks of war and domination.
    There are multiple franchises of different chains of Islamic Terrorists.

    However I think there is something worth studying. Is this de novo self esteem issue among people who are brought up with Islam. Its certainly measurable and you even see it among RJ members who rant about "EuroCentrism" or how Jews dominate them. Meanwhile most are likely wanting for nothing compared to other individuals around the world who dont feel encumbered by Eurocentrism or Jews.

    To distill it down, if Islam was such a religion of peace, those Taliban in Pakistan would have their heads on a pike right now. But you wont see fellow muslims rating on each other, because of course infidels lives have no value.
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    Mar 28, 2016 5:46 AM GMT
    Almost a pointless thread, which will lead to a flame war.

    I come in peace!!

    Just trying to understand. That's all. No HATE on my side. I frankly could care if you worshiped dogs or cats.

    Whatever the reason may be......mass killings in the name of Allah have gotten out of control.

    It's a hard sell to convince me that they are killing because???

    It was reported the Brussel Terrorist took a satanic cocktail prior to the airport bombing. That's not very muslium like???

    I think so many cloak in a faith they are not really a part of. Now that makes sense. So Islam is getting a bad rap?
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    Mar 28, 2016 5:52 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidHell, I don't care what you RJ members have to say about Islam. What I have been told, that Muslims are causing the problem because the West or American/European imperialists. Period.

    I have a headache now.


    Poor child. Go take a ASS_BURN!

    Don't place the blame game. People need to take responsibility for their OWN actions for a change. The imperialists have done far more good in the world than bad. Look you have running water here and a toilet to piss in. Go back to palestine and see what you get. icon_eek.gif
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    Mar 28, 2016 6:13 AM GMT
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    2Bnaked said
    GladiatorSam saidHell, I don't care what you RJ members have to say about Islam. What I have been told, that Muslims are causing the problem because the West or American/European imperialists. Period.

    I have a headache now.


    Poor child. Go take a ASS_BURN!

    Don't place the blame game. People need to take responsibility for their OWN actions for a change. The imperialists have done far more good in the world than bad. Look you have running water here and a toilet to piss in. Go back to palestine and see what you get. icon_eek.gif


    lol @ ASS-BURN! Is there such a medicine for that? ;-)

    Alright...

    1. U.S. government admitted they did funded terrorist group ISIS.
    2. Europe (British and French) divided the Middle East.
    3. Who make the Arab dictators or kings in the Middle East? British, French and USA (Iraq).

    Dude, it is all history.
    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state-dbfa6f83bc1f#.iakxnipr1



    Yes,
    I know. ISIS was and or is the Bath party and we funded them when Saddam was in power. Times have changed, however, OBAMA should've stayed a little longer. Then again, at what point do we say hey, your on your own? OH.....impossible because they now want to kill EVERYONE!
    lol
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    Mar 28, 2016 6:23 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidNuke the whole Middle East and turn them into Middle East's disneyland. icon_cool.gif


    I think Iran will take care of that eventually!
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    Mar 28, 2016 6:32 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidIran is worst, they are causing trouble in the Middle East too.


    So...they are muslims too? Islamist extremist? All freaks I tell you!
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    Mar 28, 2016 7:49 AM GMT
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    GladiatorSam saidHell, I don't care what you RJ members have to say about Islam. What I have been told, that Muslims are causing the problem because the West or American/European imperialists. Period.

    I have a headache now.


    Poor child. Go take a ASS_BURN!

    Don't place the blame game. People need to take responsibility for their OWN actions for a change. The imperialists have done far more good in the world than bad. Look you have running water here and a toilet to piss in. Go back to palestine and see what you get. icon_eek.gif



    I'm pretty sure people from all parts of the world helped build the US. It's not like we have a civilized history that compares to the 8,000 year old aqueducts and water wells found in the Middle East. You're basically mocking Palestine's water crisis in the name of imperialism. There's a billion human beings who don't have access to clean drinkable water in general, Muslim or not. Millions die each year from a water related disease. What good is being done by privatizing water?

    Educate yourself:
    http://socialistunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/vp-west-bank-water-2013-03-21.jpg
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 28, 2016 12:59 PM GMT
    BP201 saidIt's a religion period. You can't just single one of the three major chaotic Abrahamic Religions out and call it "the" problem. Christians on the right feel that the left is being too politically correct by "not admitting" Islam is the problem yet dare an Atheist cross that line by stating "religion is the problem" to a room full of right wing, Trump supporting Christian Americans. Religion is the only reason the holy land of baby Jesus is able to blackmail the US.
    When you see Christians support the troops that fuel the never ending turmoil in the Middle East over oil and "terror" you end up with well over 50,000 homeless American war veterans on Main Street. Many end up in jail. They're killing themselves at a faster rate than the Muslim terrorist killing innocent Americans... Going to war to protect your Country against whatever bullshit story doesn't make you a noble Christian, it makes you brainwashed terrorist that's preventing any sort of peace from ever fucking happening.

    This I wholeheartedly agree with you. The reason why the U.S. keeps feeding and flaring up violent tensions in the Middle East is not only for its imperialistic goals but also to keep the military industrial complex very rich.
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    Mar 28, 2016 1:30 PM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidIran is worst, they are causing trouble in the Middle East too.


    The Middle East is pretty much in chaos at present and, like it or not, the West (including the US) needs Iran's help in stabilizing that region. Compared to ISIS, Hezbollah looks like a Sunday afternoon picnic.
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    Mar 28, 2016 11:06 PM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidIran is worst, they are causing trouble in the Middle East too.


    meh, so are Israel and Turkey, the whole thing has been a mess since post WW1
  • musclmed

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    Mar 29, 2016 2:43 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidThe Sunnis of Middle East relied on US but Obama betrayed them and sided with Iranian, and the prove of that is the Iranian Nuclear Deal. They just rely on Saudi Arabia and Turkey temporally since they need an external support to face the Iranian expansionism.

    Everyone have issues with KSA but I have to support their foreign policy at the moment only, because Iran gave a bad influence in the Middle East.


    It seems you have an excuse for every car-bomb and child blown up. In Pakistan they blew up children.

    Just come out of the closet. You sympathize with them and possibly the movement. Anyone who can explain away killing like that has some anterior truth they are master too.

    Maybe you hate the US because you dont fit in? I have no idea. But its pretty shitty to give excuses for it.

  • musclmed

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    Mar 29, 2016 2:44 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidThe Sunnis of Middle East relied on US but Obama betrayed them and sided with Iranian, and the prove of that is the Iranian Nuclear Deal. They just rely on Saudi Arabia and Turkey temporally since they need an external support to face the Iranian expansionism.

    Everyone have issues with KSA but I have to support their foreign policy at the moment only, because Iran gave a bad influence in the Middle East.


    It seems you have an excuse for every car-bomb and child blown up. In Pakistan they blew up children.

    Just come out of the closet. You sympathize with them and possibly the movement. Anyone who can explain away killing like that has some anterior truth they are master too.

    Maybe you hate the US because you dont fit in? I have no idea. But its pretty shitty to give excuses for it.

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    Mar 29, 2016 3:11 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidWTF? lol

    I don't sympathize with criminals that blow up cars and killing children. I love my country USA!



    Sam, you're far too Cerebral on Muslim issues..... considering you're a christian? I suggest you run to the car wash and get a good fucking!
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    Mar 29, 2016 3:24 AM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidWTF? lol

    I don't sympathize with criminals that blow up cars and killing children. I love my country USA!


    Eons ago you lectured me on how a Muslim family holds the key to the holy sepulchre. On and on. Your the most Islamist Chrisitian I have seen.

    Its perfectly within your right. Its is just totally incongruent with other Lebanese Christians I know, including Coptics etc.



    SAM27 What I have been told, that Muslims are causing the problem because the West or American/European imperialists. Period
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    Who told you that? A relative ? really. I just got off the phone with Cyprus, and my aunt has a Lebanese coworker. It was the POLAR OPPOSITE of what you claim.
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    Mar 29, 2016 4:09 AM GMT
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    2Bnaked saidLook you have running water here and a toilet to piss in. Go back to palestine and see what you get.

    You're basically mocking Palestine's water crisis in the name of imperialism. There's a billion human beings who don't have access to clean drinkable water in general, Muslim or not. Millions die each year from a water related disease. What good is being done by privatizing water?

    Much of the water system, like the electrical grid, in the disputed territories was built by Israel after 1967.
    Before that only 10% of households were connected, while today almost all are.

    In 2009, overall water use by Arab residents in the former so-called "West Bank" (of Trans/Jordan of 19 years, before which it was known, for thousands of years, as Judea & Samaria) was UP by an overall factor of 3.33x, with per capita usage (despite the much larger population) up by 22%. During the same time, overall Israeli use dropped by 21.4% (70.2% per capita).

    Israel supplies more water to the PA than it is required to by the Oslo Agreement.

    Your graphic suggests the problem is that Israel forbids the drilling of wells. That's not true, they only need to be authorized and coordinated to protect the aquifers. Unlike in Gaza, where between 1994 and 2009 the number of wells more than tripled, with more than 3400 new wells. Mismanagement that has damaged the aquifer allowing seawater to seep in.

    The graphic also misleads by showing only Palestinian Arab water usage from one aquifer and ignoring other sources of water (but not doing the same for Israeli usage, e.g. desalination and reuse, skewing the comparison). When those are included, the per capita allowance isn't 70 litres/day but 160, well over the WHO standard of 100.

    The world’s largest and cheapest reverse-osmosis desalination plant is up and running in Israel.
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/534996/megascale-desalination

    Israel Bets On Recycled Water To Meet Its Growing Thirst
    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/06/21/415795367/israel-bets-on-recycled-water-to-meet-its-growing-thirst


    The Arabs in the territories have less water, but no one in the territories dies from water shortages or diseases.
    Unlike in other parts of the world. Despite many in the West choosing to focus on this part of the world.

    Palestinians receive 13x's more foreign aid than Ethiopians Per Capita
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4055556


    While your graphic makes no mention of it, estimates (2009) are that there is 36% water loss within the PA system. So rather than use water to falsely demonize Israel and war-monger, fixing leaks and theft may be a better first answer. Adding water reuse programs (as Israel has) and desalination plants (in Gaza) would also go along way.

    It's worth adding that USAID and other donors proposed to build a water desalination plant in Gaza some 20 years ago - and that Arafat rejected this. He preferred to limit resources and fight over them than to ensure that his own people had sufficient water resources.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 29, 2016 10:29 PM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidAmira Hass is an Israeli journalist lives in Ramallah and she is known for coverage of daily life in Palestinian territories.

    Her report doesn't contradict anything I said, other than her figure of per capita water usage - 320 liters/day - in Trans/Jordan's former so-called "West Bank" is higher than what I quoted (for 2009) - and well above the 100 liters/day WHO minimum (the original post on the subject claimed the per capita water usage was only 70 liters/day).
  • musclmed

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    Mar 30, 2016 1:43 AM GMT
    pouncer saidGladiatorSam> It is funny how you mentioned to me about Palmyra in Syria. Funny to see all the pro Assad fans cheering about SAA's Palmyra victory.

    Iran is no haven when it comes to human rights, but by the standards of the region, it's probably just above average.
    Saudi Arabia makes it look like a liberal paradise by comparison.


    Hey pouncer, let me make a prediction. Its reaching a tipping point when the "West" will not see any difference between you a Islamic terror sympathizer and a actual terrorist. If your so mad about the West go join your brothers in Syria , Iran or whatever faction you belong to.
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    Mar 30, 2016 5:39 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer saidconsider who you'd prefer to be holding your Christian family (or any Muslim family) hostage - Nasrallah or al-Baghdadi?

    Hizbullah just takes hostages but aren't terrorists because they're not as utterly horrible as ISIS.
    And Hizbullah attacks Israel and supports the genocide of Jews, so how can they be terrorists? icon_rolleyes.gif

    What apologism next? The Klan isn't a racist group because they're not as bad as neo-nazis?

    Arab League Brands Hezbollah Group a Terrorist Organization
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4189600
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    Mar 31, 2016 5:43 AM GMT
    Syrians, Iraqis Believe U.S. Created ISIS, Don’t Support War

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015-12-18/poll-majority-of-syrians-iraqis-dont-support-obamas-anti-isis-war-believe-us-created-extremists

    Fuck the West, think they own us? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 31, 2016 5:54 AM GMT
    Nimrod saidSyrians, Iraqis Believe U.S. Created ISIS, Don’t Support War

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015-12-18/poll-majority-of-syrians-iraqis-dont-support-obamas-anti-isis-war-believe-us-created-extremists

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    Dudes,

    ISIS is DAESH was the Baath party.

    An evil group formed by the dead Saddam.

    Now, people, ALL people need to take responsibility and move forward in a better direction than hate and death!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-hidden-hand-behind-the-islamic-state-militants-saddam-husseins/2015/04/04/aa97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html
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    Apr 03, 2016 2:42 AM GMT
    2Bnaked said
    Nimrod saidSyrians, Iraqis Believe U.S. Created ISIS, Don’t Support War

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015-12-18/poll-majority-of-syrians-iraqis-dont-support-obamas-anti-isis-war-believe-us-created-extremists

    Fuck the West, think they own us? icon_rolleyes.gif



    Dudes,

    ISIS is DAESH was the Baath party.

    An evil group formed by the dead Saddam.

    Now, people, ALL people need to take responsibility and move forward in a better direction than hate and death!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-hidden-hand-behind-the-islamic-state-militants-saddam-husseins/2015/04/04/aa97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html


    Yes there are “some” former Iraqi Baathist Intelligence leaders in ISIS leadership, they are considered as the core of this terrorist organization. They never joined ISIS for ideological reasons since they are Arab nationalists and secular individuals, they joined back in 2006 to revenge against the US invaders and now ISIS have a bigger demands which is controlling Iraq and Syria and they succeeded somehow but they will fall soon. Today, the Baathist leaders and Iraqi Baathist members (Christians and Muslims) are fighting against ISIS.
  • musclmed

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    Apr 03, 2016 1:55 PM GMT
    Only one has to look to Europe. 90% of Muslim form impenetrable colonies where the collude to thwart police to and plot illegal activities. They openly support ISIS, and claim Rome is next as was Constantinople before.

    This doesn't mean there are not good Muslims, however the movement and religion is seeking a power grab and using the freedom of the West against itself.

    It will come to a head eventually, however I dont see anything similarly happening the United States. People fear fascism in the United Stats however they are naive about American politics and sensibilities. The pendulum doesn't swing that far . However in Europe political correctness has allowed little colonies of West hating Islamists to exist. They get housing and public assistance. This environment will bring out the next Hitler to "take care of the problem".
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    Apr 03, 2016 4:43 PM GMT
    The last exchange was perfect! "I disagree with you"... "You're wrong." Every study in the world supports Maher, so all this guy can say is "I disagree."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXIM3nkn0Kk

    And she needs to realize that the fairy tale ends once you exit the gates at disney land..