Transgender conscientious objector is sent to Israeli military prison

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    Aiden Katri is refusing to be conscripted into the Israeli army because of the occupation and as a feminist statement. The army sent her to a men’s prison. Before heading to prison she wrote: ’It is time for an alliance of the victims of oppression.

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    Mar 31, 2016 12:37 AM GMT
    How does "a mighty hunter" come to support a coward? I've no sympathy for slackers like her; it's time for an alliance against those who claim to be victims, but are really nothing more than ungrateful misfits, if not outright lawbreakers.
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    Mar 31, 2016 2:35 AM GMT
    Another mentally ill tranny looking for attention. *Yawn*
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    Mar 31, 2016 6:59 AM GMT
    Either way it's a correctional facility, maybe the fellow inmates will do a better job than his/her doctor did.
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    pouncer = nimrod?
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    pouncer saidMan, there sure are a lot of self-hating LGBTs on this site.

    What a bitter irony that the trans experience, and conscientious objection, are foreign concepts on a site like this.

    Many of us are as you say "self hating" because LGBT doesn't represent those of us who believe in the basics, and not making a scene/causing drama (which trannies/drag queens do) for attention. We're gay, so what? move on with life, don't ruin the word "gay" by giving us a bad image!
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    pouncer saidMan, there sure are a lot of self-hating LGBTs on this site.

    What a bitter irony that the trans experience, and conscientious objection, are foreign concepts on a site like this.

    Many of us are as you say "self hating" because LGBT doesn't represent those of us who believe in the basics, and not making a scene/causing drama (which trannies/drag queens do) for attention. We're gay, so what? move on with life, don't ruin the word "gay" by giving us a bad image!
    Exactly. That is why the trannies need to be permanently removed from our GLB community because the presence of the "T" is causing major right wing backlash throughout most of the U.S. and in many other countries as well.
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    Apr 03, 2016 5:31 PM GMT
    Goddammit, what the fuck is wrong with you bashers? You've done shit for gay rights, and now you're going to play the exclusion game with transsexuals? Fuck, you're a bunch of irredeemable assholes.
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    mickeytopogigio saidGoddammit, what the fuck is wrong with you bashers? You've done shit for gay rights, and now you're going to play the exclusion game with transsexuals? Fuck, you're a bunch of irredeemable assholes.



    Because we are SICK AND TIRED of people assuming we're all women on the inside just bursting to escape and break out into show tunes. And as if that's not bad enough, now we're being lumped together with people who actually DO feel like they are women. Are you so stupid you can't see that pisses a lot of people off? What the fuck is wrong with YOU? Why am I an asshole because I don't want to be labeled as a tranny?

    I'm all for every person on Earth having equal rights (including transexuals.) But I am NOT okay with being labeled under the same fucking banner because they are not the same thing. How can you not see this?
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    Radd said
    mickeytopogigio saidGoddammit, what the fuck is wrong with you bashers? You've done shit for gay rights, and now you're going to play the exclusion game with transsexuals? Fuck, you're a bunch of irredeemable assholes.



    Because we are SICK AND TIRED of people assuming we're all women on the inside just bursting to escape and break out into show tunes. And as if that's not bad enough, now we're being lumped together with people who actually DO feel like they are women. Are you so stupid you can't see that pisses a lot of people off? What the fuck is wrong with YOU?

    I'm all for every person on Earth having equal rights (including transexuals.) But I am NOT okay with being labeled under the same fucking banner because they are not the same thing. How can you not see this?
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    pouncer saidMan, there sure are a lot of self-hating LGBTs on this site.

    What a bitter irony that the trans experience, and conscientious objection, are foreign concepts on a site like this.

    Many of us are as you say "self hating" because LGBT doesn't represent those of us who believe in the basics, and not making a scene/causing drama (which trannies/drag queens do) for attention. We're gay, so what? move on with life, don't ruin the word "gay" by giving us a bad image!


    Oh please. Who gives a fuck what the gay image appears like to our oppressors. Stop trying to be like them.You unhappy gheys on RJ are constantly justifying your masculinity it's nauseating. How bout you do you without any labels attached? Try not to stress yourself out about the drag queens having harmless fun for attention.
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    Wendigo9 said
    pouncer saidMan, there sure are a lot of self-hating LGBTs on this site.

    What a bitter irony that the trans experience, and conscientious objection, are foreign concepts on a site like this.

    Many of us are as you say "self hating" because LGBT doesn't represent those of us who believe in the basics, and not making a scene/causing drama (which trannies/drag queens do) for attention. We're gay, so what? move on with life, don't ruin the word "gay" by giving us a bad image!


    Oh please. Who gives a fuck what the gay image appears like to our oppressors. Stop trying to be like them.You unhappy gheys on RJ are constantly justifying your masculinity it's nauseating. How bout you do you without any labels attached? Try not to stress yourself out about the drag queens having harmless fun for attention.




    You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You tell us to shed the labels and at the same time you expect us to embrace the LGBTXYZ bullshit as if that's not the most ridiculous label of all. Make up your fucking mind.

    And no one is "justifying" anything. You point your finger at anyone who uses the word "masculine" as if it's some sort of offensive term. But you're just fine if someone claims to be fem. I'm a MAN and I will not be shunned into cowering down from using this word. However it says a lot about you that you're so against it. A whole lot.
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    Radd said
    BP201 said
    Wendigo9 said
    pouncer saidMan, there sure are a lot of self-hating LGBTs on this site.

    What a bitter irony that the trans experience, and conscientious objection, are foreign concepts on a site like this.

    Many of us are as you say "self hating" because LGBT doesn't represent those of us who believe in the basics, and not making a scene/causing drama (which trannies/drag queens do) for attention. We're gay, so what? move on with life, don't ruin the word "gay" by giving us a bad image!


    Oh please. Who gives a fuck what the gay image appears like to our oppressors. Stop trying to be like them.You unhappy gheys on RJ are constantly justifying your masculinity it's nauseating. How bout you do you without any labels attached? Try not to stress yourself out about the drag queens having harmless fun for attention.




    You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You tell us to shed the labels and at the same time you expect us to embrace the LGBTXYZ bullshit as if that's not the most ridiculous label of all. Make up your fucking mind.

    And no one is "justifying" anything. You point your finger at anyone who uses the word "masculine" as if it's some sort of offensive term. But you're just fine if someone claims to be fem. I'm a MAN and I will not be shunned into cowering down from using this word. However it says a lot about you that you're so against it. A whole lot.


    I never said anything about embracing LGBTQ anything and you don't know a damn thing about me. A whole lot of nothing.
    You say you're "sick and tired" of what other people think regarding the gay scene. A personal problem. I can say a slew of negative things about the LGBTQ community and you and a few others would follow but that's the same repetitive notion you get here and the forums continue to go downhill. I don't really stay in the box.

    So to clarify, there's nothing wrong with being masculine or feminine at all unless you have a superiority complex about it and you friggin do. Feminism can be nauseating too but you tried. Some effeminate guys may be extremely obnoxious with how they act but you just don't see them stating the obvious like these masc4masc folks that are meme gold... You can go on and pretend like there's not thousands of moderate to extreme effeminate men claiming to be masc on whatever profile they're on. Not because they don't want to be shunned into cowering down from using the word but because they don't even want to acknowledge/are ashamed of the fact that they have a feminine side too. I'm personally attracted to strong men who are in touch with their feminine side. I think it's important.
    I also find it interesting how these hindering "trannies" that are lumped in the same category as you are able to attract all these masculine men. Flamboyant twinks are attracting masc men too, so who exactly are you mad at?
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    "So gay men, congratulations! You're getting closer and closer to getting equal civil rights! What will be the first thing to do with your equal rights?"
    "I don't know everything on this list looks so boring... fight for environmental issues... equal rights for women... bla bla bla..."
    "Yeah we just figured since you just recently had the same pro-"
    "Oooh what's this? Oppressing other minorities? Looks fun"
    "well I wouldn't really re-"
    "'Trannies are mentally ill', I like this one! Are there more?"
    "The thing is tha-"
    "'Arabs are genetically violent people, kill the savages' oh fierce, I'm gonna use that one too. Oh found another one, 'All refugees are terrorists, deport them all'. This is fun, I'm good thanks byeeeeee"
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    It is always interesting to read the arguments for removing the T from LGBTQ. I understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it really misses the fact that gender issues impact everyone in that group.

    A lot of gender is a cultural construct* and in the U.S. the current gender binary makes the two genders complimentary. Because of that masculinity is seen as desiring femininity and femininity desiring masculinity. This is inherently problematic for anyone that is lesbian, gay or bi. We are all put in a bit of a catch 22. For example how can a masculine guy claim to like masculine guys when desiring masculinity is feminine?

    So when you say you are a masculine guy that is into masculine guys you are defining your gender in the way that you see and feel it and not in a way that fits the gender binary. This is exactly what the transgender community is doing. We are all pursing the right to define our own gender and not have it assinged and perscribed by the largely hetero and cisgendered society.

    That is why the T belongs in LGBTQ. Do all our issues overlap? No, but some very essential one's do.

    Gender is over. (If you want)

    * The definitions of masculine and feminine change by culture and have been redefined over time with the same culture as have gender roles.

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    BP201 said
    Radd said
    BP201 said
    Wendigo9 said
    pouncer saidMan, there sure are a lot of self-hating LGBTs on this site.

    What a bitter irony that the trans experience, and conscientious objection, are foreign concepts on a site like this.

    Many of us are as you say "self hating" because LGBT doesn't represent those of us who believe in the basics, and not making a scene/causing drama (which trannies/drag queens do) for attention. We're gay, so what? move on with life, don't ruin the word "gay" by giving us a bad image!


    Oh please. Who gives a fuck what the gay image appears like to our oppressors. Stop trying to be like them.You unhappy gheys on RJ are constantly justifying your masculinity it's nauseating. How bout you do you without any labels attached? Try not to stress yourself out about the drag queens having harmless fun for attention.




    You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You tell us to shed the labels and at the same time you expect us to embrace the LGBTXYZ bullshit as if that's not the most ridiculous label of all. Make up your fucking mind.

    And no one is "justifying" anything. You point your finger at anyone who uses the word "masculine" as if it's some sort of offensive term. But you're just fine if someone claims to be fem. I'm a MAN and I will not be shunned into cowering down from using this word. However it says a lot about you that you're so against it. A whole lot.


    I never said anything about embracing LGBTQ anything and you don't know a damn thing about me. A whole lot of nothing.
    You say you're "sick and tired" of what other people think regarding the gay scene. A personal problem. I can say a slew of negative things about the LGBTQ community and you and a few others would follow but that's the same repetitive notion you get here and the forums continue to go downhill. I don't really stay in the box.

    So to clarify, there's nothing wrong with being masculine or feminine at all unless you have a superiority complex about it and you friggin do. Feminism can be nauseating too but you tried. Some effeminate guys may be extremely obnoxious with how they act but you just don't see them stating the obvious like these masc4masc folks that are meme gold... You can go on and pretend like there's not thousands of moderate to extreme effeminate men claiming to be masc on whatever profile they're on. Not because they don't want to be shunned into cowering down from using the word but because they don't even want to acknowledge/are ashamed of the fact that they have a feminine side too. I'm personally attracted to strong men who are in touch with their feminine side. I think it's important.
    I also find it interesting how these hindering "trannies" that are lumped in the same category as you are able to attract all these masculine men. Flamboyant twinks are attracting masc men too, so who exactly are you mad at?



    Who am I mad at? Wasn't that clear? I'm mad at the people who want to hang a banner over my head and label me in the same group as transexuals. I have zero in common with transexuals. Maybe you do but I do not. In fact, they claim to be "straight" and normally want nothing to do with gay people because they want straight dick.

    There are fem guys posing as masc guys? Duhhh. Posers are everywhere. This is news to you?

    Well, if you know of flamboyant guys who are able to attract "all these masc men", please go here and give our friend Bloodflame some pointers. Because you obviously know something we don't. http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4165286
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    Cliche_Guevara saidIt is always interesting to read the arguments for removing the T from LGBTQ. I understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it really misses the fact that gender issues impact everyone in that group.

    A lot of gender is a cultural construct* and in the U.S. the current gender binary makes the two genders complimentary. Because of that masculinity is seen as desiring femininity and femininity desiring masculinity. This is inherently problematic for anyone that is lesbian, gay or bi. We are all put in a bit of a catch 22. For example how can a masculine guy claim to like masculine guys when desiring masculinity is feminine?

    So when you say you are a masculine guy that is into masculine guys you are defining your gender in the way that you see and feel it and not in a way that fits the gender binary. This is exactly what the transgender community is doing. We are all pursing the right to define our own gender and not have it assinged and perscribed by the largely hetero and cisgendered society.

    That is why the T belongs in LGBTQ. Do all our issues overlap? No, but some very essential one's do.

    Gender is over. (If you want)

    * The definitions of masculine and feminine change by culture and have been redefined over time with the same culture as have gender roles.




    Thank you for the sensible post. You make a lot of sense actually. But you really have to twist your neck to see these similarities. It's like including pedophiles because they're also attracted to the same sex. What's next? LGBTQIAP?
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    Cliche_Guevara saidIt is always interesting to read the arguments for removing the T from LGBTQ. I understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it really misses the fact that gender issues impact everyone in that group.

    A lot of gender is a cultural construct* and in the U.S. the current gender binary makes the two genders complimentary. Because of that masculinity is seen as desiring femininity and femininity desiring masculinity. This is inherently problematic for anyone that is lesbian, gay or bi. We are all put in a bit of a catch 22. For example how can a masculine guy claim to like masculine guys when desiring masculinity is feminine?

    So when you say you are a masculine guy that is into masculine guys you are defining your gender in the way that you see and feel it and not in a way that fits the gender binary. This is exactly what the transgender community is doing. We are all pursing the right to define our own gender and not have it assinged and perscribed by the largely hetero and cisgendered society.

    That is why the T belongs in LGBTQ. Do all our issues overlap? No, but some very essential one's do.

    Gender is over. (If you want)

    * The definitions of masculine and feminine change by culture and have been redefined over time with the same culture as have gender roles.




    Thank you for the sensible post. You make a lot of sense actually. But you really have to twist your neck to see these similarities. It's like including pedophiles because they're also attracted to the same sex. What's next? LGBTQIAP?


    We will have to agree to disagree on the neck twisting. I think similarity of not fitting into heteronormative culture is plain as day. As far as what is next, I don't know but what ever it is should be a different discussion where we discuss it in its own right.

    It's kind of disappointing to see petophiles brought into the mix as an example. Opponents of LGBTQ rights have been using the "Should we give petophiles rights too?" Argument to argue against equality there is no need for us to give that argument any validity to using it against ourselves.

    Pedophila is a mental disorder and LGBTQ may have a lot of differences but we do have in common is we aren't mentally ill. Also, there is no evidence that that gay men are any more likely to be pedophiles and in a lot of cases pedophiles don't even have an identifiable adult sexuality.

    Thanks for listening and taking a different viewpoint into consideration.
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    Radd said
    Cliche_Guevara saidIt is always interesting to read the arguments for removing the T from LGBTQ. I understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it really misses the fact that gender issues impact everyone in that group.

    A lot of gender is a cultural construct* and in the U.S. the current gender binary makes the two genders complimentary. Because of that masculinity is seen as desiring femininity and femininity desiring masculinity. This is inherently problematic for anyone that is lesbian, gay or bi. We are all put in a bit of a catch 22. For example how can a masculine guy claim to like masculine guys when desiring masculinity is feminine?

    So when you say you are a masculine guy that is into masculine guys you are defining your gender in the way that you see and feel it and not in a way that fits the gender binary. This is exactly what the transgender community is doing. We are all pursing the right to define our own gender and not have it assinged and perscribed by the largely hetero and cisgendered society.

    That is why the T belongs in LGBTQ. Do all our issues overlap? No, but some very essential one's do.

    Gender is over. (If you want)

    * The definitions of masculine and feminine change by culture and have been redefined over time with the same culture as have gender roles.




    Thank you for the sensible post. You make a lot of sense actually. But you really have to twist your neck to see these similarities. It's like including pedophiles because they're also attracted to the same sex. What's next? LGBTQIAP?


    We will have to agree to disagree on the neck twisting. I think similarity of not fitting into heteronormative culture is plain as day. As far as what is next, I don't know but what ever it is should be a different discussion where we discuss it in its own right.

    It's kind of disappointing to see petophiles brought into the mix as an example. Opponents of LGBTQ rights have been using the "Should we give petophiles rights too?" Argument to argue against equality there is no need for us to give that argument any validity to using it against ourselves.

    Pedophila is a mental disorder and LGBTQ may have a lot of differences but we do have in common is we aren't mentally ill. Also, there is no evidence that that gay men are any more likely to be pedophiles and in a lot of cases pedophiles don't even have an identifiable adult sexuality.

    Thanks for listening and taking a different viewpoint into consideration.



    Don't get me wrong. I am not comparing transexuals to pedophiles. I'm just saying it's a valid argument and one that is approaching very quickly.
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    Radd said
    Cliche_Guevara said
    Radd said
    Cliche_Guevara saidIt is always interesting to read the arguments for removing the T from LGBTQ. I understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it really misses the fact that gender issues impact everyone in that group.

    A lot of gender is a cultural construct* and in the U.S. the current gender binary makes the two genders complimentary. Because of that masculinity is seen as desiring femininity and femininity desiring masculinity. This is inherently problematic for anyone that is lesbian, gay or bi. We are all put in a bit of a catch 22. For example how can a masculine guy claim to like masculine guys when desiring masculinity is feminine?

    So when you say you are a masculine guy that is into masculine guys you are defining your gender in the way that you see and feel it and not in a way that fits the gender binary. This is exactly what the transgender community is doing. We are all pursing the right to define our own gender and not have it assinged and perscribed by the largely hetero and cisgendered society.

    That is why the T belongs in LGBTQ. Do all our issues overlap? No, but some very essential one's do.

    Gender is over. (If you want)

    * The definitions of masculine and feminine change by culture and have been redefined over time with the same culture as have gender roles.




    Thank you for the sensible post. You make a lot of sense actually. But you really have to twist your neck to see these similarities. It's like including pedophiles because they're also attracted to the same sex. What's next? LGBTQIAP?


    We will have to agree to disagree on the neck twisting. I think similarity of not fitting into heteronormative culture is plain as day. As far as what is next, I don't know but what ever it is should be a different discussion where we discuss it in its own right.

    It's kind of disappointing to see petophiles brought into the mix as an example. Opponents of LGBTQ rights have been using the "Should we give petophiles rights too?" Argument to argue against equality there is no need for us to give that argument any validity to using it against ourselves.

    Pedophila is a mental disorder and LGBTQ may have a lot of differences but we do have in common is we aren't mentally ill. Also, there is no evidence that that gay men are any more likely to be pedophiles and in a lot of cases pedophiles don't even have an identifiable adult sexuality.

    Thanks for listening and taking a different viewpoint into consideration.



    Don't get me wrong. I am not comparing transexuals to pedophiles. I'm just saying it's a valid argument and one that is approaching very quickly.


    If someone want's to make the case for pedophiles to be included in the LGBTQ community I'm more than happy to have that discussion but like I said it is a different discussion then is we should include trans people, queer people, gay people, lesbian people, bi people or anyone other group that wants to be included. I personally have never hear of a pedophile(s) trying to argue for their rights let alone argue for their rights as part of the LGBTQ community. The only time I hear pedophiles brought up is in context of exclusion. "If we give them rights then we have to give pedophiles rights" and the like. So I don't know that I agree that it is an approaching argument at all. If if does come up then let's have the discussion when it does. I'm not going to spend time worrying about a discussion that may or may not happen.


    (Quick update to original post: I have no doubt that someone somewhere has made the argument for inclusion. When I say I have never heard about it I mean I have never heard about it in any serious way.)
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    Cliche_Guevara said
    Radd said
    Cliche_Guevara said
    Radd said
    Cliche_Guevara saidIt is always interesting to read the arguments for removing the T from LGBTQ. I understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it really misses the fact that gender issues impact everyone in that group.

    A lot of gender is a cultural construct* and in the U.S. the current gender binary makes the two genders complimentary. Because of that masculinity is seen as desiring femininity and femininity desiring masculinity. This is inherently problematic for anyone that is lesbian, gay or bi. We are all put in a bit of a catch 22. For example how can a masculine guy claim to like masculine guys when desiring masculinity is feminine?

    So when you say you are a masculine guy that is into masculine guys you are defining your gender in the way that you see and feel it and not in a way that fits the gender binary. This is exactly what the transgender community is doing. We are all pursing the right to define our own gender and not have it assinged and perscribed by the largely hetero and cisgendered society.

    That is why the T belongs in LGBTQ. Do all our issues overlap? No, but some very essential one's do.

    Gender is over. (If you want)

    * The definitions of masculine and feminine change by culture and have been redefined over time with the same culture as have gender roles.




    Thank you for the sensible post. You make a lot of sense actually. But you really have to twist your neck to see these similarities. It's like including pedophiles because they're also attracted to the same sex. What's next? LGBTQIAP?


    We will have to agree to disagree on the neck twisting. I think similarity of not fitting into heteronormative culture is plain as day. As far as what is next, I don't know but what ever it is should be a different discussion where we discuss it in its own right.

    It's kind of disappointing to see petophiles brought into the mix as an example. Opponents of LGBTQ rights have been using the "Should we give petophiles rights too?" Argument to argue against equality there is no need for us to give that argument any validity to using it against ourselves.

    Pedophila is a mental disorder and LGBTQ may have a lot of differences but we do have in common is we aren't mentally ill. Also, there is no evidence that that gay men are any more likely to be pedophiles and in a lot of cases pedophiles don't even have an identifiable adult sexuality.

    Thanks for listening and taking a different viewpoint into consideration.



    Don't get me wrong. I am not comparing transexuals to pedophiles. I'm just saying it's a valid argument and one that is approaching very quickly.


    If someone want's to make the case for pedophiles to be included in the LGBTQ community I'm more than happy to have that discussion but like I said it is a different discussion then is we should include trans people, queer people, gay people, lesbian people, bi people or anyone other group that wants to be included. I personally have never hear of a pedophile(s) trying to argue for their rights let alone argue for their rights as part of the LGBTQ community. The only time I hear pedophiles brought up is in context of exclusion. "If we give them rights then we have to give pedophiles rights" and the like. So I don't know that I agree that it is an approaching argument at all. If if does come up then let's have the discussion when it does. I'm not going to spend time worrying about a discussion that may or may not happen.


    (Quick update to original post: I have no doubt that someone somewhere has made the argument for inclusion. When I say I have never heard about it I mean I have never heard about it in any serious way.)



    This is actually an interesting discussion. But to avoid derailing this thread, I created another thread here if you'd like to continue the discussion: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4201589/
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    Apr 12, 2016 1:51 PM GMT
    Transgendered people do not belong in our community and they have no legitimate right under our banner. Trans. people are straights who are confused kooks who claim that either their body or their sex is wrong for them. They are confused kooks period.