What would happen if every gay person and all the gay organizations decided to support concealed carry laws? If we, as a group, said we support carrying a handgun for protection? And went national with that? Not that we would have to carry but just to give homophobes a pause before beating up one of us? I wonder? Would idiots think twice before beating up a gay guy coming out from a bar alone at 2am?

  • Triggerman

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    open for discussion
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    I think attacks/harassment would still happen. I mean, Texas has CCW (or open carry, I don't remember which) and people still do stupid shit there.

    I'm all for open/concealed weapons, but the problem is that people won't commit themselves to proper training/practice. The last thing we need is a bunch of clueless people shooting with their eyes closed. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 02, 2016 1:33 PM GMT
    So there was this bar fight last night. Two guys going at it, punching each other in the face. Of course, I immediately jumped to the rescue, handing each of them a loaded gun.

    Wherever a problem involves stupid, violent people, the solution is always more lethal weapons!

    {/sarcasm}
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    Apr 02, 2016 1:35 PM GMT
    It's a provocative thought. One I believe has been raised in the RJ Forums in the past. Though usually as a post to another thread, rather than as a complete thread of its own, like this.

    Naturally I wouldn't expect most gays to follow such advice, and so they wouldn't become involved with gun handling safety, which is a genuine concern. Rather, it's the ironic message that would be delivered to the NRA gun nuts that amuses me.

    Many of them are Right Wing homophobes, so that gays would be using "liberalized" gun laws against THOSE GUYS, to counter their threats & assault against us. What fun!

    After all, isn't self-defense one of the mantras of the Right, for arming even children, churchgoers, and shoppers at crowded malls? I guess self-defense is a matter of against WHOM. Us good Christian, heterosexual Whites against everyone else. Well, what if everyone else starts arming THEMSELVES, too, in their own self-defense?

    Maybe the NRA will conceive of more legislation to restrict carry laws to benefit the intended demographic. (The NRA already authors most of these gun laws that Republican legislatures are passing)

    Yeah, encouraging gays to arm themselves for self-protection might be an excellent idea. Both symbolically, and also in some cases in reality. In a "Stand Your Ground" State like Florida, I could legally blow a homophobe away who appears to be threatening me. I like this idea. Gawd, next I'll be joining the NRA myself. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Art_Deco saidIt's a provocative thought. One I believe has been raised in the RJ Forums in the past. Though usually as a post to another thread, rather than as a complete thread of its own, like this.

    Naturally I wouldn't expect most gays to follow such advice, and so they wouldn't become involved with gun handling safety, which is a genuine concern. Rather, it's the ironic message that would be delivered to the NRA gun nuts that amuses me.

    Many of them are Right Wing homophobes, so that gays would be using "liberalized" gun laws against THOSE GUYS, to counter their threats & assault against us. What fun!

    After all, isn't self-defense one of the mantras of the Right, for arming even children, churchgoers, and shoppers at crowded malls? I guess self-defense is a matter of against WHOM. Us good Christian, heterosexual Whites against everyone else. Well, what if everyone else starts arming THEMSELVES, too, in their own self-defense?

    Maybe the NRA will conceive of more legislation to restrict carry laws to benefit the intended demographic. (The NRA already authors most of these gun laws that Republican legislatures are passing)

    Yeah, promotion of gays arming themselves for self-protection might be an excellent idea. Both symbolically, and also in some cases in reality. In a "Stand Your Ground" State like Florida, I could legally blow a homophobe away who appears to be threatening me. I like this idea. Gawd, next I'll be joining the NRA myself. icon_biggrin.gif
    ....and making the NRA a less homophobic organization which will make all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs think twice before fucking with us.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 02, 2016 2:27 PM GMT
    The fastest way to get the NRA to change its tune would be to have tons of young black men and gays join up and pay dues to the NRA. The NRA is all about white men having guns.
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    Visualize Pink Pistols!

    http://www.pinkpistols.org/about-the-pink-pistols/
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    rdberg1957 saidThe fastest way to get the NRA to change its tune would be to have tons of young black men and gays join up and pay dues to the NRA. The NRA is all about white men having guns.

    Oh, really? Well, if you want to place the race card on the target, it can also be said that it's - for the most part; the NRA has more than a few black members - not about black "felons in possession" having guns. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Allow both concealed and open carry with more stringent background checks and allow Doctors to revoke gun carry licenses just as they now do with drivers/pilot/medical licenses.

    Business, government facilities, hospitals, schools and religious institutions should be permitted to restrict gun carriers according to rules they set.

    Tazer permits should be less restrictive. In NJ, I can have a shotgun at my house but not a Tazer.
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    That would just create a big mess that I guarantee you would become even more threatening and may also lead to lots of gays possibly being treated unfairly in the justice system, even if self-defense is the reason.
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    Apr 02, 2016 4:39 PM GMT
    Guns will only escalate the problem, I have a better idea. Lift weights, learn how to defend yourself, carry yourself like a man, and you should have no problem. 32 years on this earth and I've I had to silence my share of bigots.It comes with this life- gays are the new black, as in civil rights , not trendy.
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    Many gays do carry guns - and that without permission from HumanRightsCampaign or GLAAD. That's a #HateFact that #whiteLiberals don't like, but who gives a shit?

    Fuck #whiteLiberals.
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    Apr 02, 2016 5:21 PM GMT
    "Concealed carry"?

    Most gay guys wear pants so tight you can see the outlines of their dicks.

    How the fuck are they gonna conceal a handgun?
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    bro4bro said"Concealed carry"?

    Most gay guys wear pants so tight you can see the outlines of their dicks.

    How the fuck are they gonna conceal a handgun?

    Famous Mae West 1930s movie line: "Is that your gun, or are yah just glad to see me?"
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    Or you could just realize people are indoctrinated to hate homosexuality, and simply go after that instead handing out guns to fix your problem.
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    Apr 02, 2016 6:47 PM GMT
    "What would happen if every gay person and all the gay organizations decided to support concealed carry laws? If we, as a group, said we support carrying a handgun for protection? And went national with that? Not that we would have to carry but just to give homophobes a pause before beating up one of us? I wonder? Would idiots think twice before beating up a gay guy coming out from a bar alone at 2am?"

    Would probably make it more attractive. Lots of yokels who will see it as a challenge.
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    Apr 02, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidgays are the new black, as in civil rights...


    I laughed at this last. Nothing could be further FROM the fact.
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    Actually I'm kinda warming to this idea. As some of you may recall, I have 25 years of small arms experience. Taught Army Marksmanship, was the OIC (Office in Charge) of firing ranges. Had the highest "Expert" rating for every weapon I ever touched. I certainly wouldn't be a novice to handling a pistol today.

    I have no weapon in the house today, have seen no need for one. I may have carried a weapon on my hip for years, but I'm no gun fanatic in retired life. Those were tools of my trade, not elements of my ego.

    But I live in Florida. A State with rather "liberal" laws about "Stand Your Ground". I merely have to say I felt threatened and I can legally blow somebody's head off. Look at the Trayvon Martin case. Might be a good way to eradicate some homophobes around here.

    I could be The Avenger for gays, as could other armed gays. I'll have to give this some thought. Certainly Republicans and the NRA would have to back me up.
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    Apr 02, 2016 9:11 PM GMT
    This is a question that could be debated ONLY in America. Americans kill each other and are imprisoned and/or executed in numbers many multiples of times greater than ANY OTHER first-world democracy.
    I recently heard something about a US state wanting to permit adolescents to carry guns! What could possibly go wrong with that?
    The theory that if everyone were armed, no one would start shooting has been shown to be pure myth in actual practice. I'm not here to try and convince you Americans to adopt stronger gun regulations because even the slaughter of elementary schoolchildren in class leads nowhere. Any reform in the foreseeable future seems bleak.
    But I will say I'm damn glad I am Canadian and the way the US is going, we may have to build a wall to protect ourselvesicon_eek.gif
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    The better choice is to learn martial arts, get into several classes and learn how to defend yourself and do this:

    http://www.military.com/video/specialties-and-personnel/martial-arts/how-to-disarm-a-gunman/904375167001

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    Bylt4U saidThis is a question that could be debated ONLY in America. Americans kill each other and are imprisoned and/or executed in numbers many multiples of times greater than ANY OTHER first-world democracy.
    I recently heard something about a US state wanting to permit adolescents to carry guns! What could possibly go wrong with that?
    The theory that if everyone were armed, no one would start shooting has been shown to be pure myth in actual practice. I'm not here to try and convince you Americans to adopt stronger gun regulations because even the slaughter of elementary schoolchildren in class leads nowhere. Any reform in the foreseeable future seems bleak.
    But I will say I'm damn glad I am Canadian and the way the US is going, we may have to build a wall to protect ourselvesicon_eek.gif


    yep, fewer americans is a much easier solution.
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    JackNNJ saidMany gays do carry guns - and that without permission from HumanRightsCampaign or GLAAD. That's a #HateFact that #whiteLiberals don't like, but who gives a shit?

    Fuck #whiteLiberals.


    Nobody likes you. And you're about as retarded as that robbaker guy.
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    mickeytopogigio said
    JackNNJ saidMany gays do carry guns - and that without permission from HumanRightsCampaign or GLAAD. That's a #HateFact that #whiteLiberals don't like, but who gives a shit?

    Fuck #whiteLiberals.


    Nobody likes you. And you're about as retarded as that robbaker guy.
    Well you are not exactly all that bright eyed and bushy tailed there Mr. Angry Austinite or is it Austindaze lol.
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    Apr 03, 2016 2:55 AM GMT
    Let's be real. Background checks don't do shit. Let's think back to all the shootouts and massacres that have happened in recent years. Those people obtained guns from the streets, or stole them from family, or bought them through straw sales at gun shows.

    Background checks only protect the criminals from being shot at by the average Joe. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 03, 2016 4:47 AM GMT
    bro4bro said"Concealed carry"?

    Most gay guys wear pants so tight you can see the outlines of their dicks.

    How the fuck are they gonna conceal a handgun?


    LOL

    That's a good one )))icon_biggrin.gif