Gallup: Nearly 4 out of 5 Americans with an opinion view Israel favorably

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 11, 2016 2:02 PM GMT
    Americans' Views Toward Israel Remain Firmly Positive
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx

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    || Americans have become more sympathetic toward Israel over the past 15 years, and that more pro-Israel view held steady in the past year. While Republicans show extraordinarily high support for Israel... the majority of Democrats and independents are also on the same page.

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  • NerdLifter

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    Apr 12, 2016 2:46 PM GMT
    I think we need to clarify here that most Americans are supportive of Israel but NOT necessarily of the current Israeli government, specifically Netanyahu the Likud party.
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    Apr 12, 2016 7:14 PM GMT
    For the record - and the statistics - I support both Israel AND Bibi!
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    Apr 12, 2016 7:49 PM GMT
    GladiatorSam saidPoor me, we Palestinians get no love. Lol

    Gee, I wonder why?
  • FRE0

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    Apr 12, 2016 8:55 PM GMT
    NerdLifter saidI think we need to clarify here that most Americans are supportive of Israel but NOT necessarily of the current Israeli government, specifically Netanyahu the Likud party.


    Good point!

    Surely it would indicate a lack of thinking to support unquestionably everything that any country does, including Israel. All countries have a checkered history, including Israel. I do believe that, although Israel has a right to defend itself, some of what it has done is counterproductive and has unnecessarily prolonged hostilities with its Arab neighbors, not that it's Arab neighbors are faultless.
  • ASHDOD

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    Apr 12, 2016 9:24 PM GMT
    please do seperate Israel from its goverment icon_surprised.gif
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    Apr 12, 2016 9:36 PM GMT
    Ashdod saidplease do seperate Israel from its goverment icon_surprised.gif


    Good point.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 13, 2016 2:20 AM GMT
    Governments come and go (in democratic countries), yet those who hate Israel don't do so because of Bibi Netanyahu. They also hated Israel under Olmert, Barak, Peres and Rabin.

    Why does virulent Anti-Semitism play such a large role in MidEast discussions on RJ?
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    Ashdod saidplease do seperate Israel from its goverment icon_surprised.gif
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 13, 2016 2:22 AM GMT
    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
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    FRE0 saidalthough Israel has a right to defend itself, some of what it has done is counterproductive and has unnecessarily prolonged hostilities with its Arab neighbors, not that it's Arab neighbors are faultless.
  • Apparition

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    Apr 13, 2016 3:46 AM GMT



    The number of americans that could point out israel on a map would be a rounding error of zero, let alone be in any way informed of anything going on there, much much less nuances of the ruling party de jour.

    i wouldn't be upset at the report either way, it is completely meaningless, since the average man on the street would have no real purpose to HAVE an opinion. Israel is half a world away, buried in a warzone with 2 or more sides, an ever increasing number of groups that fall under the name "terrorist" and the average american pretty much can't distinguish between any of them, including Israel, and any residual opinion would be based on rudimentary rememberings of Hitler killed jews...not cool...so jews must be the good guys. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Asking this question to most americans, would be like asking them their opinion on troy vs. thrace in ancient greece (which also would not be able to be located.)
  • JackNNJ

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    Apr 13, 2016 5:05 AM GMT
    Palestinians are animals. Other Muslim nations know this, and don't want them.
  • jjguy05

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    Apr 13, 2016 7:31 AM GMT
    NerdLifter saidI think we need to clarify here that most Americans are supportive of Israel but NOT necessarily of the current Israeli government, specifically Netanyahu the Likud party.


    Most Americans are not informed enough to understand the difference.

    American support for Israel stems from the way the conflict is [mis]portrayed in the media, and also the "closeness" factor...when you perceive a country to be more culturally similar to you, you'll sympathize with it more. Palestinians are perceived to be more different.

    As for the political angle of it: both parties in the US unequivocally support Israel, but both parties have also had some limited criticism of Israeli policy in the West Bank. Under both Republican and Democratic administrations, the US has not recognized Israeli occupation of the West Bank (the post-1967 borders) nor has it recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. This has been a constant in US foreign policy. Many Republican voters, however, are Evangelicals who believe that, in order to bring the Rapture, all Jews must return to Israel and convert to Christianity. This is a driving force behind "support for Israel" among a segment of the Republican base, and far-right politicians like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump -and others before them- try to capitalize on this in order to get votes.
  • Scotticvs

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    Apr 13, 2016 7:38 AM GMT
    I'm American, and I support Israel inasmuch as I know about Tel Aviv, which I hear has a crazy wicked nightlife scene. I certainly want to visit sometime to check it out.

    I can find it on a map if you made me look for it. I will admit I'm not entirely privy on the situation between the Israelis and the Palestinians. I think both should have the right to peaceably settle and co-exist without fear of retribution or persecution from one or the other. I know there's a lot of tension though, it's sad...
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    Apr 13, 2016 9:33 AM GMT
    jjguy05 said... Most Americans are not informed enough to understand the difference...
    +1

    maybe instead of a firm positive view we have a dont care.
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    Apr 13, 2016 2:33 PM GMT
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    Kiriak said...But the fact of the matter is, America is the only remaining country in the world that clings to this "pro"-Israel view.

    The strongest support for Israel, though not breaking even with support for the Palestinians (except in the US) comes from what is called the Anglosphere, the offshoots of Britain, ie. the US, Canada, Australia. These are settler-colonial societies more likely to sympathise with the European origins and frontier mentality of a state like Israel - aspects of the Israeli character not exactly celebrated in the rest of the world.

    But Israel essentially lost the world community...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Israel
    The term "foreign relations of Israel" refers to diplomatic, commercial and cultural ties between the State of Israel and other countries around the world. Israel joined the United Nations on 11 May 1949. Israel maintains diplomatic ties with 157 countries.[1] Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively...

    Today, Israel has diplomatic ties with 157 out of the other 192 member states of the United Nations as well as with non-member Holy See (Vatican City) and the European Union.[1] Some states recognize Israel as a state, but have no diplomatic relations. Several countries once had diplomatic relations with Israel, but have since broken or suspended them (Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela in Latin America; Mauritania in the Arab League; Chad, Guinea, Mali and Niger in non-Arab Africa; and Iran until the Islamic revolution). Some of these countries have since resumed relations. In addition, a number of countries (all members of the Arab League) that at one time had formal economic ties (primarily trade offices) with Israel that fell short of full diplomatic relations, have severed such ties (Bahrain, Morocco, Oman, Qatar and Tunisia)...

    At present, a total of 32 United Nations member states do not recognize or generally / partially do not maintain diplomatic relations with the State of Israel: 18 of the 21 UN members in the Arab League: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen (the exceptions are Egypt, Jordan and Mauritania); a further 11 members of Organisation of Islamic Cooperation: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Chad, Guinea, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Niger, and Pakistan; and Bhutan, Cuba, and North Korea.[19] Some of these countries accept Israeli passports and acknowledge other indications of Israeli sovereignty.


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    Oh, so "Kiriak" is really pouncer? I thought I had you long on ignore with the rest of the anti-Semites trolling RJ. Easily fixed. Buh bye.
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    NerdLifter saidI think we need to clarify here that most Americans are supportive of Israel but NOT necessarily of the current Israeli government, specifically Netanyahu the Likud party.


    Good point!

    Surely it would indicate a lack of thinking to support unquestionably everything that any country does, including Israel. All countries have a checkered history, including Israel. I do believe that, although Israel has a right to defend itself, some of what it has done is counterproductive and has unnecessarily prolonged hostilities with its Arab neighbors, not that it's Arab neighbors are faultless.

    Who here has said anything about "supporting unquestionably everything that any country does?" Sure indicates a lack of reading skills to me.
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    Apr 13, 2016 7:54 PM GMT
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    Kiriak said...But the fact of the matter is, America is the only remaining country in the world that clings to this "pro"-Israel view.

    The strongest support for Israel, though not breaking even with support for the Palestinians (except in the US) comes from what is called the Anglosphere, the offshoots of Britain, ie. the US, Canada, Australia. These are settler-colonial societies more likely to sympathise with the European origins and frontier mentality of a state like Israel - aspects of the Israeli character not exactly celebrated in the rest of the world.

    But Israel essentially lost the world community...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Israel
    The term "foreign relations of Israel" refers to diplomatic, commercial and cultural ties between the State of Israel and other countries around the world. Israel joined the United Nations on 11 May 1949. Israel maintains diplomatic ties with 157 countries.[1] Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively...

    Today, Israel has diplomatic ties with 157 out of the other 192 member states of the United Nations as well as with non-member Holy See (Vatican City) and the European Union.[1] Some states recognize Israel as a state, but have no diplomatic relations. Several countries once had diplomatic relations with Israel, but have since broken or suspended them (Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela in Latin America; Mauritania in the Arab League; Chad, Guinea, Mali and Niger in non-Arab Africa; and Iran until the Islamic revolution). Some of these countries have since resumed relations. In addition, a number of countries (all members of the Arab League) that at one time had formal economic ties (primarily trade offices) with Israel that fell short of full diplomatic relations, have severed such ties (Bahrain, Morocco, Oman, Qatar and Tunisia)...

    At present, a total of 32 United Nations member states do not recognize or generally / partially do not maintain diplomatic relations with the State of Israel: 18 of the 21 UN members in the Arab League: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen (the exceptions are Egypt, Jordan and Mauritania); a further 11 members of Organisation of Islamic Cooperation: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Chad, Guinea, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Niger, and Pakistan; and Bhutan, Cuba, and North Korea.[19] Some of these countries accept Israeli passports and acknowledge other indications of Israeli sovereignty.


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    Diplomatic relations with Israel, and support for Israel's pursuit of territorial expansion in the West Bank are two different things. Only the US tolerates the latter.

    You're the perfect example of what I stated earlier: Average Americans are fuck-ignorant about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and don't understand the issues. All they know is that the Israelis who are culturally similar to us and are people of the Bible, are fighting big bad Muslims.
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    jjguy05 saidDiplomatic relations with Israel, and support for Israel's pursuit of territorial expansion in the West Bank are two different things. Only the US tolerates the latter.

    You're the perfect example of what I stated earlier: Average Americans are fuck-ignorant about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and don't understand the issues. All they know is that the Israelis who are culturally similar to us and are people of the Bible, are fighting big bad Muslims.


    First off, I am not anti-Muslim. I am anti-Trump. I first protested for Muslims back in the 70s. "Down with the Shah of Iran. I ran the Shah down," we chanted. Where were you? Oh, that's right, you weren't even scum yet.

    Other than that, you think you now get to levy a charge of fuck-ignorance as if opinion ought to be only based on how Israel has dealt with a group that wishes it dead? Hardly at all propagandizing of you. Fear not, probably nobody noticed. Perhaps you've a solution towards peace that we've not yet heard, being how brilliant you seem and adept at watching over your shoulder as Israel feels it must, or is that just you looking for a place to throw your ankles?

    I posted only to counter the claim that "support for Israel...comes from what is called the Anglosphere" because when looking at a map of what countries maintain diplomatic ties (certainly a form of support compared to severing diplomatic ties as the US had done with Cuba until recently), clearly and not merely coincidentally, the two maps align.

    I don't like a lot of things that people I love do. That doesn't mean that I don't support them in their existence, including my nephew, the bad one.

    As to being a typical American about the topic, I own still family property in Petah Tikva where my ancestors settled generations ago. Pretty typical of most Americans, huh?

    Meanwhile, you stated something earlier? I don't believe I've ever noticed you before. But this was some introduction. Oh well, so much for first impressions.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 14, 2016 11:49 AM GMT
    "[T]erritorial expansion"? Israel has agreed to withdraw from a net 99.5% of the disputed territories in exchange for peace.
    That's all but about 10 square miles.

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    Surely you don't think Israel should withdraw from the ancient Jewish Quarter of the old city of Jerusalem (including Judaism's holiest site, the Wailing Wall) merely because Arab troops illegally seized it in their 1948 invasion? (Along with Judea & Samaria - as they were known for thousands of years, thus becoming the so-called "West Bank" OF Trans/Jordan for a mere 19 years)

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
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    One must also ponder why the Arab parties, all of them, rejected peace before 1967 - when the disputed territories were under Arab control - and why there was no impetus then to establish an Arab Palestine. (In 1970-71, the PLO attempted to take over Jordan.)

    The Emergence of Palestinian Arab Nationalism
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    The Palestine Paradox
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    jjguy05 saidDiplomatic relations with Israel, and support for Israel's pursuit of territorial expansion in the West Bank are two different things.

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 14, 2016 11:54 AM GMT
    Yup. That profile would view mine numerous times per day. While founcer claimed to have me on ignore, that "friends" emailed him what I said so he could comment on it, and further lied that he had no sock-puppets (and no, that wasn't the only one).

    Absent his pretend on-line world, where he confuses himself for a genius and hero with lots of "friends" (he allegedly has to check his email on RJ at 10-minute intervals)... life in his mum's basement would be completely boring.

    theantijock saidOh, so "Kiriak" is really pouncer? I thought I had you long on ignore with the rest of the anti-Semites trolling RJ. Easily fixed. Buh bye.
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    mwolverine saidYup. That profile would view mine numerous times per day. While founcer claimed to have me on ignore, that "friends" emailed him what I said so he could comment on it, and further lied that he had no sock-puppets (and no, that wasn't the only one).

    Absent his pretend on-line world, where he confuses himself for a genius and hero with lots of "friends" (he allegedly has to check his email on RJ at 10-minute intervals)... life in his mum's basement would be completely boring.

    theantijock saidOh, so "Kiriak" is really pouncer? I thought I had you long on ignore with the rest of the anti-Semites trolling RJ. Easily fixed. Buh bye.


    There are some on here who I don't even consider sock puppets but finger puppets because an octopus hasn't that many socks. I'd bet there's a few with a 100 or more though I don't know if that's an exaggeration or an underestimate. Fucking freaks. Thus I'm pretty sure that much of my extensive ignore list contains numerous duplicates.

    In this kaleidoscope world, there can't be that many people with the exact same shtick.

    This guy in question, I thought he did have some smarts but so did Lex Luthor. Fun for a comic strip. Not so interesting as prolonged drama. You seem to enjoy the engagement but I just click them off. Fuck it.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 15, 2016 1:53 AM GMT
    He appears to be gone, again - messages, too.
    As is the "Nimrod" puppet.

    theantijock> In this kaleidoscope world, there can't be that many people with the exact same shtick.

    Maybe, but it never ceases to amaze me how many "people" there are (especially in wider audience forums such as Facebook) who claim to be Jews, as if that lends credibility to their incessant (and over the top) criticism of Israel. With some exaggeration, I may have encountered more such than there are Jews. icon_smile.gif

    AyaTrolLiar founcer once claimed on RJ to have insights into the conflict because he was a "Brit of Irish background". Two years later he started claiming to be "Jewish" - by descent (despite arguing that it's just a religious affiliation and if you aren't religious you can't be Jewish).

    Speaking of Facebook, you should have seen his shtick there. He stalked me with a puppet account, then would post his propaganda lies after my posts with his real account - posts which I couldn't see let alone respond to. That right there tells you a lot about his character, or lack thereof. If you want to see more of his comedy, check out this thread:

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame:
    Freedom of opinion/press is found in Iran, not in US or UK.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151

    Other than the recent "'Pe' in Arabic" lie (thus founcer), my favorite was when he claimed to know Hebrew (as cover for his lie that he read a book that hasn't been translated into English). Having allegedly just quoted (er, translated! lol) from it (meaning he must have had the book at his fingertips icon_rolleyes.gif) he couldn't tell us what the first word was on a random page - even after I scanned and posted that page!


    theantijock> I thought he did have some smarts but so did Lex Luthor. Fun for a comic strip. Not so interesting as prolonged drama.

    Unfortunately he used what little brains he had to twist what he could. He would spend hours "researching" and discard source after source until he found one. Not necessarily one that supported his claims, but one that he could quote out-of-context to make appear to support his claims.

    With "brains" like that, who needs enemies?


    theantijock> You seem to enjoy the engagement but I just click them off.

    Lies, repeated, start having the ring of "truth". Frequently the useful idiots are victims of their own propaganda. Drunk on the Kool Aid, they seek to infect others with their hate.
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    mwolverine saidHe appears to be gone, again - messages, too.
    As is the "Nimrod" puppet.

    theantijock> In this kaleidoscope world, there can't be that many people with the exact same shtick.

    Maybe, but it never ceases to amaze me how many "people" there are (especially in wider audience forums such as Facebook) who claim to be Jews, as if that lends credibility to their incessant (and over the top) criticism of Israel. With some exaggeration, I may have encountered more such than there are Jews. icon_smile.gif

    AyaTrolLiar founcer once claimed on RJ to have insights into the conflict because he was a "Brit of Irish background". Two years later he started claiming to be "Jewish" - by descent (despite arguing that it's just a religious affiliation and if you aren't religious you can't be Jewish).

    Speaking of Facebook, you should have seen his shtick there. He stalked me with a puppet account, then would post his propaganda lies after my posts with his real account - posts which I couldn't see let alone respond to. That right there tells you a lot about his character, or lack thereof. If you want to see more of his comedy, check out this thread:

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame:
    Freedom of opinion/press is found in Iran, not in US or UK.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151

    Other than the recent "'Pe' in Arabic" lie (thus founcer), my favorite was when he claimed to know Hebrew (as cover for his lie that he read a book that hasn't been translated into English). Having allegedly just quoted (er, translated! lol) from it (meaning he must have had the book at his fingertips icon_rolleyes.gif) he couldn't tell us what the first word was on a random page - even after I scanned and posted that page!


    theantijock> I thought he did have some smarts but so did Lex Luthor. Fun for a comic strip. Not so interesting as prolonged drama.

    Unfortunately he used what little brains he had to twist what he could. He would spend hours "researching" and discard source after source until he found one. Not necessarily one that supported his claims, but one that he could quote out-of-context to make appear to support his claims.

    With "brains" like that, who needs enemies?


    theantijock> You seem to enjoy the engagement but I just click them off.

    Lies, repeated, start having the ring of "truth". Frequently the useful idiots are victims of their own propaganda. Drunk on the Kool Aid, they seek to infect others with their hate.


    It's gone? lol Oh that's too funny. And its posts too? Puppet must've got caught doin' somethin' bad. lol. See, there is a G-d administrator. I had no idea. Thanx for informing.

    But you are so right on the issues you just mentioned, at least I can say on those with which I'm familiar.

    That nimrod creep early on I thought might be quarter pounder but then, frankly, I didn't give a shit. I questioned him at one point and then just didn't pay any attention to it after that.

    You are so right on this nonsense of theirs, claiming some Jewish cloak of invisibility, their internet version of the human shield. I've very much noticed that. The nimrod creep had claimed to be not just of an esoteric sect of the Jewish family tree but even at that from a long dead branch of it. Truly moronic. I don't know who they think they're fooling but certainly they'd only sway someone of not much intelligence.

    And that's truly their evil. It's tough enough for people to figure things out when truth is right there to see, tougher still for someone not so bright, that for someone else to purposely shine a false light in the eyes of those who might not shine so brightly, for the deceivers, if there's not, there ought to be a hell where they will rot.
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    Apr 19, 2016 4:49 PM GMT
    It's back! But long time RJers are reporting his posts as spam so I expect he'll be banned again within a week.

    See, for example, this thread:

    Israel holds its first transgender beauty contest
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