The USA is really an Aristocracy

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    Apr 14, 2016 11:33 PM GMT
    With the current struggles of the poor and working class I can see that the USA is not a democracy. We are ruled by the Political Elites from both sides.

    Former First Lady Laura Bush said she was more inclined to vote for Hillary vs. Trump. Statements like this and others prove they are all in it together. They don't want their millions and POWER interrupted. We the people are nothing more than slaves to the system. THINK ABOUT it and add a few notes.

    Aristocracy (Greek ἀριστοκρατία aristokratía, from ἄριστος aristos "excellent," and κράτος kratos "power") is a form of government that places power in the hands of a small, privileged ruling class. The term derives from the Greek aristokratia, meaning "rule of the best".

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    Apr 14, 2016 11:46 PM GMT
    An aristocracy tends to be hereditary. Perhaps the better term for what you're describing would be oligarchy. Which also has ancient Greek roots.
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    Apr 14, 2016 11:48 PM GMT
    Some side notes of Democracy, from the Greeks who technically developed it.

    Its administration favors the many instead of the few; this is why it is called a democracy.

    http://www.stoa.org/projects/demos/article_democracy_development?page=all&greekEncoding=UnicodeC
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    Apr 14, 2016 11:48 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidAn aristocracy tends to be hereditary. Perhaps the better term for what you're describing would be oligarchy. Which also has ancient Greek roots.


    I've been reading up on it and they both seem to be a lot what's going on in the world.

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  • tj85016

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    Apr 15, 2016 8:08 AM GMT
    it always has been, save for a few brief decades after World War 2
  • venue35

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    Apr 15, 2016 10:06 AM GMT
    Perhaps Laura Bush would like to see a woman as President?
    Or maybe Hillary isn't that different from her husband???
    All politicians are lawyers unfortunately.
    And all laywers are trained to be very thick skinned and greedy.
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    Apr 15, 2016 10:39 AM GMT
    venue35 saidPerhaps Laura Bush would like to see a woman as President?
    Or maybe Hillary isn't that different from her husband???
    All politicians are lawyers unfortunately.
    And all laywers are trained to be very thick skinned and greedy.

    Our own attorney holds public elective office. Which we actually prefer, his name on our personal documents he drew for us carrying more weight. And one of his cars is a V-12 Aston Martin convertible, worth about $200,000. Yeah, attorneys do OK for themselves.
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    Apr 15, 2016 12:50 PM GMT
    If we think that there's elitism, aristocracy, oligarchy, etc., in the USA, then we ought to live in other parts of the world where the true ruling class lives. Perhaps we'd appreciate what we have here. I remember as a young law student in the US I took a summer law internship job at the largest law firm in Mexico. At that time I was told that you had to have come from an elite Mexican family to be able to go to law school and become a lawyer there. That's elitism.
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    Apr 15, 2016 4:08 PM GMT
    venue35 saidPerhaps Laura Bush would like to see a woman as President?
    Or maybe Hillary isn't that different from her husband???
    All politicians are lawyers unfortunately.
    And all laywers are trained to be very thick skinned and greedy.


    Many are lawyers, not all. Carter and Reagan are two obvious examples of non-lawyers.

  • TroyAthlete

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    Apr 15, 2016 6:23 PM GMT
    No it's not. American political outcomes are still determined by free and open elections, in which most adults of voting age can participate if they so choose.

    We get the government deserve, and we have this status quo because Americans are either satisfied with it or not disastisfied enough to vote to change it. This is an incovenient truth for those who love to whine and cry about dynasty, and oligarchy, and [insert corporate/establishment/Wall Street here].
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    Apr 15, 2016 7:25 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidNo it's not. American political outcomes are still determined by free and open elections, in which most adults of voting age can participate if they so choose.

    That's why Arizona is being sued (by the democratic party) for not having enough voting polls?
    They accuse the state of disallowing minorities the easy access to vote.

    I had to drive to 3 places and then wait in line for 3 hours. Many gave up. The system is BROKEN!!!

    NO ONE can get along in DC and nothing is getting accomplished for the people. Politicians like it that way!!



    We get the government deserve, and we have this status quo because Americans are either satisfied with it or not dissatisfied enough to vote to change it. This is an inconvenient truth for those who love to whine and cry about dynasty, and oligarchy, and [insert corporate/establishment/Wall Street here].
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    Apr 15, 2016 7:45 PM GMT
    Let Me Ask America a Question
    How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882
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    Apr 15, 2016 10:00 PM GMT
    Trump is now an imperfect messenger carrying a vital message. But he reflects the best of ‘New York values’ — and offers the best hope for all Americans who rightly feel betrayed by the political class. The Post endorses Donald Trump

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  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 17, 2016 1:05 PM GMT
    One4u2c saidI think a Bourgeoisie/ Proletariat state is the only successful method for a prosperous society to advance.


    As long as both sides understand and appreciate the symbolic relationship they share.
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    Apr 17, 2016 1:31 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidNo it's not. American political outcomes are still determined by free and open elections, in which most adults of voting age can participate if they so choose.

    We get the government deserve, and we have this status quo because Americans are either satisfied with it or not disastisfied enough to vote to change it. This is an incovenient truth for those who love to whine and cry about dynasty, and oligarchy, and [insert corporate/establishment/Wall Street here].


    You vote on the candidates they give you. But it is actually like the two heads on a hydra. You only think you have a choice.
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    Apr 18, 2016 3:04 AM GMT


    The fact that you get to vote for one local candidate, for everyone in your district is part of the problem. Basically Old people run the country...always...since they have the time to go vote, having nothing better to do, and the most to lose directly.

    Dividing the districts purely on GEOGRAPHY is probably the worst way to represent the electorate. It would be better if they tried other "districts".

    AGE should be the first one. So instead of representing just the people around a point, they would have to represent young people, middle aged people, and old people Say. (eg. Take 3 districts geographically and divide them up by age instead or property). That way old people who like to destroy everything in sight to make a buck would have less power, and the environment would get some love....say.

    Or divide the representation by INCOME. Then you have to represent lower class, middle class, and upper class equally, instead of money always winning and nobody else matters.

    There are countless ways to divy up the representation instead of what county you live in.
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    Apr 18, 2016 2:57 PM GMT
    2Bnaked saidLet Me Ask America a Question
    How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change.


    The age old question; did your family make money with the current administration? In this gay household we were able to turn things around quite nicely++. Just me and my husband. Not looking for no big.

    the previous Bush administration was lots of war and recession. Both of us at times unemployed under-employed.

    the Bill Clinton reign was good too. go figure.

  • TroyAthlete

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    Apr 20, 2016 7:59 AM GMT
    Gagged_Joy said
    TroyAthlete saidNo it's not. American political outcomes are still determined by free and open elections, in which most adults of voting age can participate if they so choose.

    We get the government deserve, and we have this status quo because Americans are either satisfied with it or not disastisfied enough to vote to change it. This is an incovenient truth for those who love to whine and cry about dynasty, and oligarchy, and [insert corporate/establishment/Wall Street here].


    You vote on the candidates they give you. But it is actually like the two heads on a hydra. You only think you have a choice.


    False. Anyone who meets certain basic age and citizenship requirements can be a candidate for President. An an obscure candidate with a message that resonates can raise enough money and gather enough supports to be viable (see Sanders, Bernard). Nobody is given anything. Voters determine the outcomes of elections.

    That some people whine, cry, and complain when a majority of the electorate does not vote how the whiners would like them to does not make this any less true.

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    Apr 20, 2016 1:20 PM GMT
    americans think a lot of things are free like who really pays for political election costs on a national scale?

    we gave it away.

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    Apr 20, 2016 3:11 PM GMT
    Of course democracy isn't a perfect system, but it's still better than Trump.

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    Apr 20, 2016 6:38 PM GMT
    As I have said over and over again, our country still parallels James Cameron's dialog version of Titanic,
    "will the life boats be seated according to class" "oh dear, I hope they're not too crowded".......


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    Titanic First Class Passengers
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    Titanic anniversary: SF doctor rescued with family
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Titanic-anniversary-SF-doctor-rescued-with-family-3469572.php

    Dr. Washington Dodge, who served 14 years as the assessor of the city and county of San Francisco, sailed with his wife and young son on the liner's ill-fated maiden voyage. They were among the 710 people saved after the ship hit an iceberg and sank in the North Atlantic early on the morning of April 15, 1912. More than 1,500 others - passengers and crew - died.

    Dodge was one of only 57 male passengers in first class on the ship to survive - women and children went into the lifeboats first - and the tragedy troubled him for the rest of his life. He gave a speech about the sinking at San Francisco's Commonwealth Club a few weeks later, and when he began to talk about the cries of the people dying that night, he broke down sobbing.

    Affected by financial problems in his later business career, he shot himself in June 1919, in the basement of the apartment house at 840 Powell St., where he lived. He lingered for three days and died at St. Francis Hospital.

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