A Conservative Argument on Whether the Reform Church in America Should Allow Full Inclusion of LGBT People

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    Apr 17, 2016 3:48 PM GMT
    It’s a small denomination — a high of over 300,000 members 10 years ago, and now down to about 280,000, a loss of 9 percent. But its current struggle reflects those experienced by much bigger denominations, and the outcome will likely be instructive to all.

    In this, the first of a two-part article, we will examine the nature of that struggle.

    A Homosexual Insurgency

    The most visible sign of the RCA’s struggle is the rise of a “gay-affirming” movement among some of the clergy. They press for full “inclusion” of homosexuals into the life of the church — including same-sex “marriage” and the ordination of practicing, unrepentant homosexuals as ministers of the gospel.



    http://chalcedon.edu/research/articles/the-reformed-church-in-america-can-it-stay-reformed-part-i-of-ii/

    Ministers at Marble Collegiate Church said there is a meeting today about LGBT inclusion.
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    Apr 17, 2016 8:58 PM GMT
    “I don’t see a homosexual insurgency forming in the Midwest. You may be experiencing something different in New Jersey.”

    The New York-New Jersey area is the birthplace of Room for All (www.roomforall.com), a new group of RCA clergy and laymen who are trying to change their church’s position on homosexuality
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    Apr 17, 2016 9:00 PM GMT
    My jaw dropped, literally dropped when I read this:

    Chalcedon interviewed the group’s co-founder, Robert D. Williams, formerly the pastor of an RCA church in New York, dismissed for performing “same-sex blessing ceremonies” in his church. He has not yet been able to find another pastoral posting within the RCA.

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    Formerly the pastor of an RCA church in New York?

    He was minister of pastoral care at Marble Collegiate Church.
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    Apr 17, 2016 9:03 PM GMT
    We asked Williams if he recognized any sex act as morally wrong.

    “What might make a sex act morally wrong?” he said. “I would think such issues as the use of violence against another, explicitly or implicitly, the degree to which the other is reduced to an object for self-gratification, the absence of love, mutuality, commitment.”

    By these standards we could not rule out any kind of incest, polygamy, or pedophilia — as long as the “relationship” was nonviolent, consensual, mutually committed, etc. Although all of these behaviors are condemned in the Bible, Williams’ theology is elastic enough to encompass them.
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    Apr 17, 2016 9:05 PM GMT
    ...the “gay-affirming” faction in the RCA is a numerically small group (“but loud and highly visible”) confined mostly to the Northeast.
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    Apr 17, 2016 9:08 PM GMT
    “Once you give away Biblical authority, pretty much anything goes. Pragmatism always leads to a dilution of doctrine.”
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    Apr 17, 2016 9:11 PM GMT
    “If they can twist the Bible to make it say it supports homosexuality, they can twist it to say anything.”
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    Apr 17, 2016 9:12 PM GMT
    I need to have the Leviticus discussion with them:

    Leviticus and Homosexuality
    and
    Leviticus and Blood-Drinking Communion.
  • Wendigo9

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    Apr 18, 2016 12:53 AM GMT
    If churchies want to be tighter than a virgin ass, then that's their problem, there are many other (and better) kinds of wedding ceremonies that could be performed legally. Who needs the eyes of "god" to start a new chapter in someone's lifetime? there's more than enough evidence to prove "he" doesn't exist, some of it discoverd by accident.
  • NealJohn

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    Apr 19, 2016 10:16 PM GMT
    Here's the biggest argument : Jesus ate and drank with publicans and sinners. He never shunned anyone and told us not to throw stones. These people are not real Christians. They have hijacked the title and besmirched it with their bigotry and false teachings.