Saudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill. Senate overwhelmingly votes to override Obama veto on 9/11 bill

  • metta

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    Apr 18, 2016 5:43 AM GMT
    Saudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill

    "The Obama administration has, in turn, applied heavy pressure on Congress to block the bill."

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/saudi-arabia-government-9-11-congress-bill/index.html


    Money influences power again!


    So I guess that means that blackmailing the US government is fine as long as they can threaten with a big enough sum of money.
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    Apr 18, 2016 3:52 PM GMT
    metta saidSaudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill

    "The Obama administration has, in turn, applied heavy pressure on Congress to block the bill."

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/saudi-arabia-government-9-11-congress-bill/index.html

    Money influences power again!

    So I guess that means that blackmailing the US government is fine as long as they can threaten with a big enough sum of money.

    Yes, and Obama's just the guy to fall for it. Besides, what's a little money between friends?
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 18, 2016 5:09 PM GMT
    Typical Republican vision-- sure, let's make even more enemies with shortsighted nastiness. I'm in favor of opening up the 911 report but this bill revokes sovereign immunity and puts all Saudi dollar reserves at risk to the US courts. Which puts the US dollar at risk as the world reserve currency which benefits us mightily. And more. If we can do this, then other countries can, too. So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves. We'd end up with a free-for-all internationally and no one would ultimately benefit. That's what diplomacy is for. God, Republicans are fucked up.
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    Apr 18, 2016 5:52 PM GMT
    " So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves."

    International corporations might think twice about 'killing some locals' if there were consequences.
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    Apr 18, 2016 8:56 PM GMT
    HandsomeAZ said" So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves."

    International corporations might think twice about 'killing some locals' if there were consequences.

    Yes but that can be handled without disrupting the entire international currency system.
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    Apr 18, 2016 9:08 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidTypical Republican vision-- sure, let's make even more enemies with shortsighted nastiness. I'm in favor of opening up the 911 report but this bill revokes sovereign immunity and puts all Saudi dollar reserves at risk to the US courts. Which puts the US dollar at risk as the world reserve currency which benefits us mightily. And more. If we can do this, then other countries can, too. So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves. We'd end up with a free-for-all internationally and no one would ultimately benefit. That's what diplomacy is for. God, Republicans are fucked up.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-warns-ofeconomic-fallout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html?_r=0
    You're a real piece of work. Aside from the reasons to support or oppose the bill the fact is it has bipartisan support and bipartisan sponsorship. So making it about the Republicans shows you are the one fucked up.



    The Senate bill is intended to make clear that the immunity given to foreign nations under the law should not apply in cases where nations are found culpable for terrorist attacks that kill Americans on United States soil.

    The bill is an anomaly in a Congress fractured by bitter partisanship, especially during an election year. It is sponsored by Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, and Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York. It has the support of an unlikely coalition of liberal and conservative senators, including Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, and Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas. It passed through the Judiciary Committee in January without dissent. [That means no Democrats on the committee opposed it dumbass.]
  • interestingch...

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    Apr 18, 2016 11:03 PM GMT
    I can't believe that we are getting closer to all this coming out, I know that the Bush's, Clintons, Larry Silverstein and various government officials are behind all this as well as Saudi Arabia, I only hope to god that we, the British government had nothing to do with it although Tony Blair is a criminal and needs locking up over the lies he told about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction but if our government were involved then the people responsible should be held accountable for the killing of over a million civilians including women and children, Madeline Albright the ex secretary of state said in a press interview that 500,000 dead Iraqi children was an acceptable price to pay for winning the war and taking out the government.
    Does anyone reading this think that is acceptable because I absolutely cannot believe that a psychopath like that was responsible for any input into a western government and the western governments and mainstream press think Putin and Assad are dictators and morally corrupt, I don't think so, when are people going to wake up to what out governments are doing and how we are being manipulated.
    Our governments are responsible for the terrible state that our countries are in, they are supposed to represent the people, they have got us into irreparable debt, we will never be able to pay back the debts to the countries and banks that we owe and neither will our children's children, how many trillions does the US owe ?????????
    Thats how world wars start because of situations like all this so we can thank our governments for the state of it all.
    The Bush family are the biggest drugs dealers in the world and run heroin and cocaine out of South America to Andrews airforce base and have been for decades, they run the CIA, they are also in the oil business and business partners with the BinLaden family.
    WAKE UP EVERYONE to what is going on. Facebook all this to all your friends and family, including the CNN report, Vote for Trump if you want your country back, he actually gives a damn about all people in America and wants the country to get back on its feet instead of the criminals including Ted Cruz who is a Bush operative to run the country further into the ground. I think they will rig the elections or if they aren't successful and Trump gets in then they will try and assassinate him, they did it with Kennedy and tried it with Reagan, do you honestly think they won't try it again?
  • interestingch...

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    Apr 18, 2016 11:07 PM GMT
    The end game and motivation behind all this madness is one world government, currency and perhaps one religion, the Pope recently called for this, so is it the Vatican driving all this behind the scenes maybe ???????
  • Triggerman

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    Apr 19, 2016 12:38 AM GMT
    when did truth become a bad thing?
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    Apr 19, 2016 1:22 AM GMT
    I'm been involved in the spreading 9/11 truther information long enough to know that this information release is only partial truth.

    How do you know this information release is just another step in 9/11 to get the collective angered? A 'limited hangout'.

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    Apr 19, 2016 2:46 AM GMT
    metta saidSaudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill

    "The Obama administration has, in turn, applied heavy pressure on Congress to block the bill."

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/saudi-arabia-government-9-11-congress-bill/index.html


    Money influences power again!


    So I guess that means that blackmailing the US government is fine as long as they can threaten with a big enough sum of money.


    President Hussein is siding with the Saudis.
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    Apr 19, 2016 2:52 AM GMT
    House of Bush, House of Saud.

    Then how different is President Hussein, a cousin of Cheney, from the Bush Administration?

    Google result on the book I studied a few years back.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2004/3/18/house_of_bush_house_of_saud

    Q: Are Barack Obama and Dick Cheney cousins?

    A: Yep. But they are quite distant relatives.

    FULL ANSWER

    In an article last September, the Chicago Sun-Times laid out Obama’s ancestry – including the genealogical, if not spiritual, relationship between Obama and Cheney. According to the newspaper, they are ninth cousins once removed, with their common ancestor being Mareen Duvall, a French Huguenot who settled in Maryland in the mid-1600s.

    In an Oct. 16 interview on MSNBC, Lynne Cheney confirmed the connection based on extensive research she did for her latest book, "Blue Skies, No Fences." However, she calculates that Obama and Cheney are eighth cousins, one degree closer than the Sun-Times has it.
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    Apr 19, 2016 2:54 AM GMT
    Destinharbor saidTypical Republican vision-- sure, let's make even more enemies with shortsighted nastiness. I'm in favor of opening up the 911 report but this bill revokes sovereign immunity and puts all Saudi dollar reserves at risk to the US courts. Which puts the US dollar at risk as the world reserve currency which benefits us mightily. And more. If we can do this, then other countries can, too. So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves. We'd end up with a free-for-all internationally and no one would ultimately benefit. That's what diplomacy is for. God, Republicans are fucked up.

    All true. Although I dislike comparisons that some make between the US government and the Saudis.

    Our US fault is one of complicity, for the sake of oil. It was clear from Day One that Saudi Royals had bankrolled and enabled the 9/11 terrorists. The Bush II Administration wanted the Saudis off the hook, lest it jeopardize the oil. Over 3000 innocent US citizens could die, and we would lie our way into an unnecessary war, leading our citizens into falsely believing the Iraqis had something to do with 9/11.

    Just to deflect blame from the Saudis, and to serve the imperialist Middle East goals of the Bush Admin neocons. So that even more Americans died, mostly young kids nobly serving in uniform, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis along with them, in a war we were promised would "pay for itself". Does anyone here remember those Republican promises?

    Well, a couple of trillion dollars down the hole later, all we got for that promise is more death and worse Middle East turmoil than we had before. And we're still afraid to offend our Saudi "allies". THAT'S the country we should have invaded following 9/11, not Iraq.

    But Bush the Lessor had to avenge his milquetoast father, who had wimped out from decisively defeating Saddam in the First Gulf War. Yielding under Saudi pressure, when General Schwarzkopf had already won the war, ordering a halt to our Iraq operations unfinished.

    The US has a history of bending to the Saudis. All in the name of oil.

    We should have taken the Saudi oil in the first place, for funding 9/11. Or else destroyed their infrastructure so that no one else could have their oil, either.

    Instead we've been playing this appeasement game for nearly 20 years, with nothing to show for it. Except more dead US soldiers, increased Middle East chaos, and less influence in the region than we've ever had.

    I'd have to conclude that the Bush neocon theories have failed miserably, and we're fools to continue following them. Insofar as Obama can't find the guts to oppose them, or the Republicans in the US Congress who still back them, I think that will be the blackest mark on his Presidential legacy.
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    Apr 19, 2016 2:58 AM GMT
    What? House of Bush lined the explosives and House of Saud provided the people of color to take the fall?
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    Apr 19, 2016 3:00 AM GMT
    What? One airplane into a tower can create a controlled demolition? WTF? and then WTC7 just falls on its own?
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    Destinharbor saidTypical Republican vision-- sure, let's make even more enemies with shortsighted nastiness. I'm in favor of opening up the 911 report but this bill revokes sovereign immunity and puts all Saudi dollar reserves at risk to the US courts. Which puts the US dollar at risk as the world reserve currency which benefits us mightily. And more. If we can do this, then other countries can, too. So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves. We'd end up with a free-for-all internationally and no one would ultimately benefit. That's what diplomacy is for. God, Republicans are fucked up.

    All true. Although I dislike comparisons that some make between the US government and the Saudis.

    Our US fault is one of complicity, for the sake of oil. It was clear from Day One that Saudi Royals had bankrolled and enabled the 9/11 terrorists. The Bush II Administration wanted the Saudis off the hook, lest it jeopardize the oil. Over 3000 innocent US citizens could die, and we would lie our way into an unnecessary war, leading our citizens into falsely believing the Iraqis had something to do with 9/11.

    Just to deflect blame from the Saudis, and to serve the imperialist Middle East goals of the Bush Admin neocons. So that even more Americans died, mostly young kids nobly serving in uniform, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis along with them, in a war we were promised would "pay for itself". Does anyone here remember those Republican promises?

    Well, a couple of trillion dollars down the hole later, all we got for that promise is more death and worse Middle East turmoil than we had before. And we're still afraid to offend our Saudi "allies". THAT'S the country we should have invaded following 9/11, not Iraq.

    But Bush the Lessor had to avenge his milquetoast father, who had wimped out from decisively defeating Saddam in the First Gulf War. Yielding under Saudi pressure, when General Schwarzkopf had already won the war, ordering a halt to our Iraq operations unfinished.

    The US has a history of bending to the Saudis. All in the name of oil.

    We should have taken the Saudi oil in the first place, for funding 9/11. Or else destroyed their infrastructure so that no one else could have their oil, either.

    Instead we've been playing this appeasement game for nearly 20 years, with nothing to show for it. Except more dead US soldiers, increased Middle East chaos, and less influence in the region than we've ever had.

    I'd have to conclude that the Bush neocon theories have failed miserably, and we're fools to continue following them. Insofar as Obama can't find the guts to oppose them, or the Republicans in the US Congress who still back them, I think that will be the blackest mark on his Presidential legacy.

    Pure nonsense about the Republican role today. Support is bipartisan. See my response to your fellow dumbass above.
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    Apr 19, 2016 3:16 AM GMT
    What is this?

    9/11 Planes Flew Directly Into
    Secure Computer Rooms
    In Both Towers
    By Christopher Bollyn
    http://rense.com/general80/comprooms.htm
    = = =

    WTC 1

    The aircraft cut a gash that was over half the width of the building and extended from the 93rd floor to the 99th floor.

    WTC 2

    "The center of the nose of the plane struck at the 81st floor slab. The plane was banked 38 degrees to the left (right wing upward) and was heading slightly (6 degrees) downward from the horizontal," it says.
    Although Flight 175 went straight into the 81st floor of the south tower, the NIST report provides no description of what was on the 81st floor. Not even one word. How odd.

    While we know that the Fuji Bank was the tenant on floors 79-82 of WTC 2, the NIST report fails to describe the "tenant layout" of floors 79, 81, and 82.

    = = =

    So we're talking about impacts on different floors creating the same result in both towers: controlled demolition.
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    Apr 19, 2016 3:25 AM GMT
    Our US fault is one of complicity, for the sake of oil. It was clear from Day One that Saudi Royals had bankrolled and enabled the 9/11 terrorists.

    What? Is it possible a House of Bush (and CIA insiders) - House of Saud alliance did this without the support of the Federal Government?

    The Saudi Royals only bankrolled the people of color fall guys portion of 9/11?

    You cannot say they bankrolled the demolition team, too? Come on, keep House of Bush-CIA clean: the Saudis did it all.
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    Apr 19, 2016 3:34 AM GMT
    What has President Hussein been up to?
    President Hussein has been blocking justice for 9/11 victim families.
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    Apr 19, 2016 3:39 AM GMT
    interestingchap saidI can't believe that we are getting closer to all this coming out, I know that the Bush's, Clintons, Larry Silverstein and various government officials are behind all this as well as Saudi Arabia, I only hope to god that we, the British government had nothing to do with it although Tony Blair is a criminal and needs locking up over the lies he told about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction but if our government were involved then the people responsible should be held accountable for the killing of over a million civilians including women and children, Madeline Albright the ex secretary of state said in a press interview that 500,000 dead Iraqi children was an acceptable price to pay for winning the war and taking out the government.
    Does anyone reading this think that is acceptable because I absolutely cannot believe that a psychopath like that was responsible for any input into a western government and the western governments and mainstream press think Putin and Assad are dictators and morally corrupt, I don't think so, when are people going to wake up to what out governments are doing and how we are being manipulated.
    Our governments are responsible for the terrible state that our countries are in, they are supposed to represent the people, they have got us into irreparable debt, we will never be able to pay back the debts to the countries and banks that we owe and neither will our children's children, how many trillions does the US owe ?????????
    Thats how world wars start because of situations like all this so we can thank our governments for the state of it all.
    The Bush family are the biggest drugs dealers in the world and run heroin and cocaine out of South America to Andrews airforce base and have been for decades, they run the CIA, they are also in the oil business and business partners with the BinLaden family.
    WAKE UP EVERYONE to what is going on. Facebook all this to all your friends and family, including the CNN report, Vote for Trump if you want your country back, he actually gives a damn about all people in America and wants the country to get back on its feet instead of the criminals including Ted Cruz who is a Bush operative to run the country further into the ground. I think they will rig the elections or if they aren't successful and Trump gets in then they will try and assassinate him, they did it with Kennedy and tried it with Reagan, do you honestly think they won't try it again?


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    Apr 19, 2016 12:46 PM GMT
    Why does anything relating to 9/11 always brings the conspiracy theorists/truthers/nutjobs out of the woodwork, despite every conspiracy theory having been comprehensively debunked?

    9/11 was a terrorist act (albeit a spectacular one) made possible by inadequacies in domestic aviation security. Often the truth is just that dull.
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    Apr 19, 2016 2:13 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidWhy does anything relating to 9/11 always brings the conspiracy theorists/truthers/nutjobs out of the woodwork, despite every conspiracy theory having been comprehensively debunked?

    9/11 was a terrorist act (albeit a spectacular one) made possible by inadequacies in domestic aviation security. Often the truth is just that dull.


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    Apr 20, 2016 12:11 AM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidWhy does anything relating to 9/11 always brings the conspiracy theorists/truthers/nutjobs out of the woodwork, despite every conspiracy theory having been comprehensively debunked?

    9/11 was a terrorist act (albeit a spectacular one) made possible by inadequacies in domestic aviation security. Often the truth is just that dull.

    Agreed. And the more I think about it, the more disgusted I get. Who are these stupid camel herders to warn the United States about what we can or cannot do? These nomads would still be living in tents if it weren't for us in the West.

    I think THEY'RE the ones who need a warning. SFTU or find yourselves back herding camels in the desert. We're the ones who found your oil for you, and we bloody well can take it back.

    And as far as your US investments, we've got plenty of people right here waiting to take them over. Maybe this would be good for the US.

    So yeah, you medieval barbarians, go ahead with your threats. And we'll send you right back to the sands from which you came. Faithless "allies" and secret funders of terrorists, the world is better off without you.

    It's times like these I wish we had a President, any President, who had the guts to say those things. But we all know we never will. Even the unhinged Trump would protect the oil money before US citizens.
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    Apr 20, 2016 2:30 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidWhy does anything relating to 9/11 always brings the conspiracy theorists/truthers/nutjobs out of the woodwork, despite every conspiracy theory having been comprehensively debunked?

    9/11 was a terrorist act (albeit a spectacular one) made possible by inadequacies in domestic aviation security. Often the truth is just that dull.


    you just called Obama a nutjob.
    as another commenter just said, people should just ignore these posts beacuse if you're going to pretend the president didnt say what he said then you're delusional. its easy to look up what he said about 9/11 being an inside job online. go fetch.