Perfect example of the dishonesty and ignorance in these political debates

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    Apr 19, 2016 12:36 PM GMT
    Whatever the issues on the 9/11 bill the fact is it has bipartisan support. That does not stop some aging morons on RJ from saying it is all the Republicans fault. When it is pointed out they don’t respond but instead run and hide and try the same BS on another topic on another day.

    This is a teaching moment to expose the tactics and the two losers. They’re not the only ones but this example couldn’t go unmentioned.

    Saudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4205926

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-warns-ofeconomic-fallout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html?_r=1
    The bill is an anomaly in a Congress fractured by bitter partisanship, especially during an election year. It is sponsored by Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, and Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York. It has the support of an unlikely coalition of liberal and conservative senators, including Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, and Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas. It passed through the Judiciary Committee in January without dissent.

    Clinton, Sanders turn on Obama by supporting bill to allow families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ex-sen-graham-calls-saudi-arabia-threat-u-s-revealing-article-1.2604613

    Following from the above linked RJ thread
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    Apr 19, 2016 12:37 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidTypical Republican vision-- sure, let's make even more enemies with shortsighted nastiness. I'm in favor of opening up the 911 report but this bill revokes sovereign immunity and puts all Saudi dollar reserves at risk to the US courts. Which puts the US dollar at risk as the world reserve currency which benefits us mightily. And more. If we can do this, then other countries can, too. So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves. We'd end up with a free-for-all internationally and no one would ultimately benefit. That's what diplomacy is for. God, Republicans are fucked up.
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    Apr 19, 2016 12:38 PM GMT
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    Destinharbor saidTypical Republican vision-- sure, let's make even more enemies with shortsighted nastiness. I'm in favor of opening up the 911 report but this bill revokes sovereign immunity and puts all Saudi dollar reserves at risk to the US courts. Which puts the US dollar at risk as the world reserve currency which benefits us mightily. And more. If we can do this, then other countries can, too. So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves. We'd end up with a free-for-all internationally and no one would ultimately benefit. That's what diplomacy is for. God, Republicans are fucked up.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-warns-ofeconomic-fallout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html?_r=0
    You're a real piece of work. Aside from the reasons to support or oppose the bill the fact is it has bipartisan support and bipartisan sponsorship. So making it about the Republicans shows you are the one fucked up.



    The Senate bill is intended to make clear that the immunity given to foreign nations under the law should not apply in cases where nations are found culpable for terrorist attacks that kill Americans on United States soil.

    The bill is an anomaly in a Congress fractured by bitter partisanship, especially during an election year. It is sponsored by Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, and Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York. It has the support of an unlikely coalition of liberal and conservative senators, including Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, and Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas. It passed through the Judiciary Committee in January without dissent. [That means no Democrats on the committee opposed it dumbass.]
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    Apr 19, 2016 12:38 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Destinharbor saidTypical Republican vision-- sure, let's make even more enemies with shortsighted nastiness. I'm in favor of opening up the 911 report but this bill revokes sovereign immunity and puts all Saudi dollar reserves at risk to the US courts. Which puts the US dollar at risk as the world reserve currency which benefits us mightily. And more. If we can do this, then other countries can, too. So some US corporation does something that kills some locals in some third world country and that country's courts decide the US government should have controlled the company better and attaches US assets and currency reserves. We'd end up with a free-for-all internationally and no one would ultimately benefit. That's what diplomacy is for. God, Republicans are fucked up.

    All true. Although I dislike comparisons that some make between the US government and the Saudis.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 19, 2016 1:35 PM GMT
    What this reminds me of more than anything else is the last time this kind of bullshit response to 911 was used to gear up histeria and PATRIOTISM to mount a phony war that ended up killing more Americans than 911. Go follow your herd. This is garbage political posturing with all the depth of George Bush.
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    Apr 19, 2016 2:34 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidWhat this reminds me of more than anything else is the last time this kind of bullshit response to 911 was used to gear up histeria and PATRIOTISM to mount a phony war that ended up killing more Americans than 911. Go follow your herd. This is garbage political posturing with all the depth of George Bush.

    Commenting on Bush doesn't erase the total dishonesty and ignorance you so clearly demonstrated. Nothing you say should be given any consideration.
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    Apr 19, 2016 3:29 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidWhat this reminds me of more than anything else is the last time this kind of bullshit response to 911 was used to gear up histeria and PATRIOTISM to mount a phony war that ended up killing more Americans than 911. Go follow your herd. This is garbage political posturing with all the depth of George Bush.

    My retired military officer friends & I all knew the Iraq War was a neocon diversion. The military, aside from a few nutty Patton wannabes, prefer to AVOID war. War kills you. We knew Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, although the Bush Admin tried to confuse the US public on that point.

    As for the US Congress, most members will assume an Administration is acting in good faith when they present exclusive "intelligence" that supports their push for military action. We've since learned that the Bush Administration was deliberately lying to Congress, to us, to the United Nations, and to our allies with their WMD claims.

    To satisfy the goals of the admin's neocons, most notably the discredited serial liar VP Cheney. The one who apparently orchestrated most of it, behind the back of the incompetent but compliant GW Bush. Which satisfied GW's personal agenda, of avenging his father's failure to destroy Saddam in the first Gulf War, instead having buckled to the Saudis and suspended a successful war when victory was at hand.

    So I wouldn't side with those who make Congress complicit in the second Iraq War fiasco of Bush the Lessor. They took the Admin in good faith, and voted on the intelligence they were given by a corrupt White House.
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    Apr 19, 2016 4:55 PM GMT
    bayguy said
    Destinharbor saidWhat this reminds me of more than anything else is the last time this kind of bullshit response to 911 was used to gear up histeria and PATRIOTISM to mount a phony war that ended up killing more Americans than 911. Go follow your herd. This is garbage political posturing with all the depth of George Bush.

    Commenting on Bush doesn't erase the total dishonesty and ignorance you so clearly demonstrated. Nothing you say should be given any consideration.
    Ignore that mentally challenged Destinharbor because he has zero credibility and he is way too liberal for his own good.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 19, 2016 7:10 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    bayguy said
    Destinharbor saidWhat this reminds me of more than anything else is the last time this kind of bullshit response to 911 was used to gear up histeria and PATRIOTISM to mount a phony war that ended up killing more Americans than 911. Go follow your herd. This is garbage political posturing with all the depth of George Bush.

    Commenting on Bush doesn't erase the total dishonesty and ignorance you so clearly demonstrated. Nothing you say should be given any consideration.
    Ignore that mentally challenged Destinharbor because he has zero credibility and he is way too liberal for his own good.
    You two can go back to your Ken doll collection. Maybe just a bit hysterical? lol I talked policy in both threads and all you do is call names like 4th graders.
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    Apr 19, 2016 9:42 PM GMT
    Just a comment for others - Destinharbor and Art_Deco have been caught in a blatant lie - Destinharbor directly and Art_Deco by agreement. Neither one has the decency to even try a lame excuse. They really don't care if they lie. Both highly dishonorable. One purpose of the thread is to expose this behavior so anything they say can be ignored.

    This isn't about liberal vs conservative. This is about exposing a couple of losers for what they are.
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    Apr 20, 2016 2:36 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Destinharbor saidWhat this reminds me of more than anything else is the last time this kind of bullshit response to 911 was used to gear up histeria and PATRIOTISM to mount a phony war that ended up killing more Americans than 911. Go follow your herd. This is garbage political posturing with all the depth of George Bush.

    My retired military officer friends & I all knew the Iraq War was a neocon diversion. The military, aside from a few nutty Patton wannabes, prefer to AVOID war. War kills you. We knew Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, although the Bush Admin tried to confuse the US public on that point.



    I wonder if all the peeps in your head have names...
  • JackNNJ

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    Apr 20, 2016 3:32 AM GMT
    This just in: BE NICE TO MUSLIMS WEEK is fucking OVER.

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