Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

  • metta

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    Apr 22, 2016 2:05 AM GMT
    Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

    Financial meltdown, environmental disaster and even the rise of Donald Trump – neoliberalism has played its part in them all. Why has the left failed to come up with an alternative?

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot
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    Apr 22, 2016 2:33 AM GMT
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
    Neoliberalism (or sometimes neo-liberalism)[1] is a term which has been used since the 1970s and 1980s by scholars in a wide variety of social sciences[2] and critics[3] primarily in reference to the resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism .[4] Its advocates support extensive economic liberalisation policies such as privatisation, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy


    http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/ideology-politics/difference-between-liberalism-and-neo-liberalism-understanding-liberalism-you-might-be-more-or-less-liberal-than-you-think/
    in the late 19th and early 20th century, liberalism morphed from an individualistic philosophy to one that is more communal in nature. Borrowing from John Stuart Mill’s utilitarian concept of providing “the greatest happiness for the greatest number,” liberalism sought to defend the “common good” – namely a political and economic system that maximized social progress for the group as a whole, and not benefitting a certain portion of individuals. Franklin D. Roosevelt best embodied this value with the “New Deal...

    Today, the modern interpretation of liberalism is associated with left wing causes. Borrowing from the New Deal, liberal economic thought strongly empowers public institutions as a means to support individuals who are adversely affected by the externalities – such as poverty and pollution – of free market capitalism. On issues of political rights, liberalism strives to secure civil liberties for minority groups, from the Civil Rights Movement for African-Americans in the 1960s to the current struggle for marriage equality for the LGBT community...

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    Over the past few decades, a new form of liberalism – or rather a reinterpretation of the original merits of it – emerged in the form neo-liberalism. Not pleased with modern liberalism’s disempowerment of the individual in favor of the state, neo-liberal philosophers returned to the founding principles offered by Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations. Considered to be the blueprints for free market capitalism, Smith described the need for human economic activity to be driven by the “invisible hand” of the marketplace, rather than by any governmental institution. To quote Smith...

    ...Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve.

    We internalise and reproduce its creeds. The rich persuade themselves that they acquired their wealth through merit, ignoring the advantages – such as education, inheritance and class – that may have helped to secure it...


    It's Bush's fault.




  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 22, 2016 2:37 AM GMT
    metta saidNeoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

    Financial meltdown, environmental disaster and even the rise of Donald Trump – neoliberalism has played its part in them all. Why has the left failed to come up with an alternative?

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot
    You forgot to include the rise of Hillary since she is a major negative element thanks to neoliberalism.
  • musclmed

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    Apr 22, 2016 3:08 AM GMT
    YAWN......
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    Apr 22, 2016 1:17 PM GMT
    Hmmmm, maybe NOT a lot of "deep thinkers" on here??? ; )icon_rolleyes.gificon_wink.gif
  • bro4bro

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    Apr 22, 2016 7:11 PM GMT
    Umm... maybe it's because, just like conservatives, 99% of liberals just want to sit on the couch with a bag of Cheetos and point fingers at the "bad guys" instead of rolling up their sleeves and actually DOING SOMETHING to fix the world's problems?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 22, 2016 10:12 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidUmm... maybe it's because, just like conservatives, 99% of liberals just want to sit on the couch with a bag of Cheetos and point fingers at the "bad guys" instead of rolling up their sleeves and actually DOING SOMETHING to fix the world's problems?
    Thank you.

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    Apr 23, 2016 2:42 AM GMT
    Eddy12free saidHmmmm, maybe NOT a lot of "deep thinkers" on here??? ; )icon_rolleyes.gificon_wink.gif


    "Yawn" required much thought on his part... icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 23, 2016 3:23 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidUmm... maybe it's because, just like conservatives, 99% of liberals just want to sit on the couch with a bag of Cheetos and point fingers at the "bad guys" instead of rolling up their sleeves and actually DOING SOMETHING to fix the world's problems?


    You get that the article is about neoliberals (aka RJ laissez-faire Republicans) and not about modern American liberals, right?

    See if this sounds familiar; I'm not sure if it's from the article or from RJepublican posts:

    ...Never mind structural unemployment: if you don’t have a job it’s because you are unenterprising. Never mind the impossible costs of housing: if your credit card is maxed out, you’re feckless and improvident. Never mind that your children no longer have a school playing field: if they get fat, it’s your fault. In a world governed by competition, those who fall behind become defined and self-defined as losers...

    ...Freedom from trade unions and collective bargaining means the freedom to suppress wages. Freedom from regulation means the freedom to poison rivers, endanger workers, charge iniquitous rates of interest and design exotic financial instruments. Freedom from tax means freedom from the distribution of wealth that lifts people out of poverty...


    Now it may be true that people can and should engage more:

    http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

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    see also
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/06/u-s-voter-turnout-trails-most-developed-countries/

    But many of us have always engaged the system and that work has paid off...

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-american-freshman-survey-more-liberal-20160210-story.html
    College freshmen are more liberal and keen on political activism, survey says

    Nearly 60% of freshmen surveyed said they expected to vote sometime during their college years and majorities supported same-sex marriage, abortion rights, affirmative action, legalization of marijuana and equal pay for women. They also overwhelmingly oppose U.S. involvement in other countries' wars.

    “Collectively, the findings suggest that more students are committed to social justice,” said Kevin Eagan, director of UCLA’s cooperative institutional research program, which has conducted the annual "American Freshman" survey for the last 50 years. “That may be why they are the most committed to political and civic engagement of any of the previous 49 classes.”

    One-third of those surveyed said they were “liberal” or “far left,” the highest proportion in four decades, while one-fifth described themselves as “conservative” or “far right.”


    So it might only look like they're eating Cheetos when actually what they're doing is tweeting.
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    Apr 23, 2016 5:36 PM GMT
    Absolute bullshit.

    Right-wing REPUBLICAN ideology is the root cause of all of our problems.

    And a majority of Americans know that.
    That's why America has shifted from a center right to a center left country.

    But, nice try!
  • JasonnNM

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    Apr 23, 2016 5:59 PM GMT
    The fucking neoconservative gop ran the country into the ground and now they wanna give us trump or cruz?

    hell no fuck that shit
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    Apr 23, 2016 6:03 PM GMT
    Neoliberal ≠ Modern American Liberalism

    Neoliberal ≈ Modern American Conservatism


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States
    "what Americans now call conservatism much of the world calls...neoliberalism."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism#Conservatism
    Classical neoliberalism's respect for tradition...endeared it to conservative movements around the world...This saw it adopted by conservative movements...in the United States of America under Ronald Reagan.

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  • JasonnNM

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    Apr 23, 2016 6:22 PM GMT
    gopers tryin to blame liberal dems for bush and reagan is funny as fuck.
    good luck with that lol
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 23, 2016 6:58 PM GMT
    The_Polaris saidAbsolute bullshit.

    Right-wing REPUBLICAN ideology is the root cause of all of our problems.

    And a majority of Americans know that.
    That's why America has shifted from a center right to a center left country.

    But, nice try!
    No that is not bullshit, that is proven fact. Neoliberals are just as guilty as the neoconservatives in the decline and bankruptcy of this country. Both groups only catered to the super rich and are only out for their own self aggrandizement. You keep living in your fantasyland of the U.S. becoming a center left country. Hate to break your heart, but many Americans are still quite conservative on most issues and will most likely remain so for the foreseeable future. So get your head out of your ass. You are too liberal for your own good.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 23, 2016 7:12 PM GMT
    JasonnNM saidThe fucking neoconservative gop ran the country into the ground and now they wanna give us trump or cruz?

    hell no fuck that shit
    I would much rather have Donald Trump for President than that crooked, power hungry, incompetent whore Hillary. That blowhard bitch is a warmonger and a willing supporter and shill for both Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex. The Donald on the other hand strongly opposed the Iraq war and our continued presence in Afghanistan and still thinks that G.W. Bush is a war criminal. That bitch has no leadership ability and she has a violent temper and a filthy mouth that will easily land the U.S. into WW3. She supported all of Bush's warmongering which technically makes her a war criminal as well. All you Hillary supporters have a lot to learn about this ghastly woman and her true motives. All of you Hillary supporters are treasonous traitors to this great country and every one of you should be barred from voting in Novrmber. All Hillary supporters are brain dead pieces of shit who need to be angrily shunned from mainstream society.
  • JasonnNM

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    Apr 23, 2016 7:15 PM GMT
    lol ^
    funny and tragic as fuck to see gay gopers like this roadkill dude ^ defending the gop and conservative policies and fantasizing that the usa is still center right.
    dude needs to check out the gop platform and compare it to how most americans feel and got woke.
    most americans loathe the gop's fucked up policies
  • tazzari

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    Apr 23, 2016 7:31 PM GMT
    trump2016 saidTHE DUMBOCRATSicon_rolleyes.gif


    I like that - substantive, convincing... A great contribution to political discourse.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 24, 2016 2:22 AM GMT
    JasonnNM saidlol ^
    funny and tragic as fuck to see gay gopers like this roadkill dude ^ defending the gop and conservative policies and fantasizing that the usa is still center right.
    dude needs to check out the gop platform and compare it to how most americans feel and got woke.
    most americans loathe the gop's fucked up policies
    If anyone is fantasizing here it is witless wonders like yourself. Most Americans don't like the liberals or the democrats neither. There are a lot more conservative Americans than liberal Americans. You need to get out of the liberal enclave of Santa Fe, NM and discover "the real America".
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    Apr 25, 2016 12:56 AM GMT
    tazzari said
    trump2016 saidTHE DUMBOCRATSicon_rolleyes.gif


    I like that - substantive, convincing... A great contribution to political discourse.


    Well let's try this. This sort of covers my thoughts on the condescending Left who sees itself as infallible. Never mind that their kindred spirits in other times and places are dismal failures.

    The Left still clings to this old view of themselves as bold free-thinkers who “question authority,” when they have long since set themselves up as the authorities everyone else is supposed to bow to.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/19/bill-nye-epitomizes-the-lefts-authority-complex/
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    Apr 25, 2016 1:24 AM GMT
    An interesting piece of rambling, garbled nonsense.
  • JackNNJ

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    Apr 25, 2016 5:27 AM GMT
    Look everyone, metta learned a new word.