How much an influence u feel Prince had with the current younger gay audiences?

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    Apr 22, 2016 9:46 PM GMT
    Prince was such a great musician. However, I'm realizing I don't have any of his music and I'm actually kinda blowed because last week I was music store hopping and seen dozens of his CDs. I looked thru and read thru them and was close to getting one of his albums that had a 3 CD set on it.

    So I'm 28, but i recall my parents having his music and videos playing so I picked up a lot from it. Couple older friends were into his music also, and I met a guy who managed a nightclub owned by prince in Minneapolis, and had drinks there with him, ..but didn't actually get to meet Prince.

    That said, I'm just asking myself, why wasn't I MORE into Prince? I liked his music, but it didn't seem like something that really reached later generation gay audience. Most of the songs being played in tribute were from the 90s. I'm sure now the gay bars are blowing up with Princes music, but how often did you hear it otherwise?

    Not to say he didn't do enough, or that people weren't interested in him..but how much impact did he have on the under 30s crowd? I feel Michael Jackson reached the 20s audience a bit more, but prince and Michael I always felt the same about: great musicians, but somewhat extreme to a point Yet they captured such a wide, however general audience while bringing androgyny to being "acceptable".
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    Apr 22, 2016 11:42 PM GMT
    One4u2c saidI feel that in order to know about and appreciate an artist's music, before your generation, you would have to have an appreciation for music in general. Meaning, I love all types of music from big band era, to crooners, doo wop,to disco,jazz, blues, soul, rock , hip hop, alternative, even classical. I knew of his music extensively because I have older siblings and other relatives who were teenagers and listen to his music and other artist durng that period of time,and later listened to many other 80s artist from all genres.

    I don't speak for others but this is my view on it.


    That's true. And we can't forget perhaps many other artists who may have been influenced by Prince and others.
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    Apr 23, 2016 12:55 AM GMT
    FuzzyPecs28 said
    One4u2c saidI feel that in order to know about and appreciate an artist's music, before your generation, you would have to have an appreciation for music in general. Meaning, I love all types of music from big band era, to crooners, doo wop,to disco,jazz, blues, soul, rock , hip hop, alternative, even classical. I knew of his music extensively because I have older siblings and other relatives who were teenagers and listen to his music and other artist durng that period of time,and later listened to many other 80s artist from all genres.

    I don't speak for others but this is my view on it.


    That's true. And we can't forget perhaps many other artists who may have been influenced by Prince and others.


    That's exactly right. Younger audiences don't appreciate The Beatles, for example, until they really start to listen and find things that are familiar because the current artists they listen to reference them. What they thought was "new" music is oftentimes "borrowed" from the past. U2's "Song of Innocence" has many references to the artists that influenced them. Not literal references, but sonic. There are moments on the record that sound like they might have been recorded by The Stones, Beach Boys, Tom Petty, Talking Heads, Blondie, even Coldplay, though I think that one is U2 being cheeky. I'm sure many listeners will hear something reminiscent of their favorites.

    Prince, who is undoubtedly influential, was also a producer, so he not only influenced artists indirectly with his music, he directly influenced them in the studio, and because of this is having an indirect effect on younger listeners who may or may not be his fans.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 23, 2016 2:23 AM GMT
    the younger gay audience? say under 24?

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    Apr 23, 2016 2:30 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidthe younger gay audience? say under 24?

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    Lol, I don't mean anyone under 24. I mean maybe under 30?

    Let's not forget too, there's other great icons out there still here today. That people should appreciate today. Lionel Richie is one and he had a whole host of artists back to back singing his songs during the Grammies. That was a really nice tribute and for a minute thought he passed without my knowing until I seen him in the audience.

    As much as prince was a great artist, now...people are beginning to idolize him. Saying he's the best at pretty much EVERYTHING, kinda doesn't pay fact that there's still legendary artists alive today. Now it's turning into this lovey dovey, he was "Saint/savior" kind of thing. He was a great musician, you can liken him to Michael, Elvis and Bethovveen was in the day, but... Not trying to diss or say anything negative...but, don't wait till someone passes in order to do that.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 23, 2016 3:13 AM GMT
    I bet most people under 26-28 didn't even know Prince until he was dead
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    Apr 23, 2016 4:08 AM GMT
    Prince was a "very private person", as we now keep hearing and those of us fans that grew up with his music already knew. He spent most of his life as a recluse, out of the spotlight, in seclusion. While his interviews are scarce (much like that of Freddie Mercury) this is why he chose to live in Minneapolis, where he grew up and eventually died.

    For this reason, I feel most young people today, straight or gay, really didn't 'know him'. Prince was not the type to stand out on Sunset Blvd (Los Angeles), meet and greet fans and sign autographs. Doing this and being in the spotlight too much probably interfered with his 'creative genius-ness'

    He wasn't just a guy who sang and played many musical instruments either, he was a writer and producer too. He was the whole package. One of those greats that comes around once, the only person that I know of that comes close, Bernie Taupin, Elton Johns hubby. Bernie sang, wrote, produced but I don't think played any musical instruments, he used Elton for that. The 70's and disco era group Bee Gees, comes to mind too. The brothers Gibb, wrote music, produced, sang and at least played guitar

    I was a Prince fan in my straight days, the formidable years, 18-25, Purple Rain was the last movie I ever saw at a drive in theater, 1984. I have to admit though, I lost interest in him after coming out at 25 in 1990. At the time, to me, he just fit into the 'straight glam rock' style of music and dress of that 80's era.

    80's Glam Rock, created the 'Smokey Eye' look and Prince was leading the way from late 70's to early 80's. Adam Ant comes to mind, his look and 'make up' were sign of the times


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    Apr 23, 2016 4:38 AM GMT

    Prince and his "androgynous" style, didn't apply to just Prince, it was part of the 80's era, where the 'girls went gaga' over this masc-fem look, Prince was no different, its just his own style of music mixed with the same glam rock times.



  • venue35

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    Apr 23, 2016 10:22 AM GMT
    I think it's because of your age.
    Im ten years older so i remember his music and when he was very popular. Mtv played his videos alot back then and radio so you couldn't really avoid his popularity.Same for Madonna and Michael Jackson. I don't think you were born when Purple Rain came out..you can't imagine how huge that album was. It was number 1 on the charts for months and months..also 5 years later he made the music for the1989
    Batman film by Tim Burton and both the single and album hit number 1.
    You should get the 3cd set you saw it's amazing. Im listening to it right now.
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    Apr 23, 2016 11:07 AM GMT
    I wonder if some of it came about because of his fights with Warner Brothers and breaking away from a major label. When he started using a symbol for his name and became The Artist Formerly Known as Prince, people started joking about him. The general public doesn't understand how record companies owned the artists. Prince even wrote the word "slave" on his cheek. So, when he broke away and started recording under his own label, he didn't have the big companies backing him and I'm sure they didn't want him to be successful (because they don't want other artists doing that either). He didn't own the rights to his own Warner Brothers music until 2014. He didn't trust iTunes and YouTube and didn't like artists covering. At one point, he pulled all of his videos from YouTube. In 2015, he pulled all of his music from streaming services, except for TIDAL. I haven't checked to see if you can get it now on Spotify or Pandora.

    So...with all of that..it was easy for some people to forget about Prince or not be very familiar with his music. He wasn't constantly reminding people he was still around like other artists of his generation did. Plus, he was extremely private.

    His music had a huge impact on me, and I have been listening to him ever since I was in high school. I made a mix of late '70s/'80s music and played it at a photo shoot...when "I Wanna Be Your Lover" came on, everyone started dancing around and asked me to turn it up.

    I just purchased "Purple Rain" on iTunes last night and listened to it. After 32 years, it still sounds just as fresh.

    I saw him live once, and he put on an amazing show. He was a consummate musician and performer.
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    Apr 23, 2016 12:37 PM GMT
    ELNathB said

    He wasn't just a guy who sang and played many musical instruments either, he was a writer and producer too. He was the whole package. One of those greats that comes around once, the only person that I know of that comes close, Bernie Taupin, Elton Johns hubby. Bernie sang, wrote, produced but I don't think played any musical instruments, he used Elton for that.


    I think Bernie is straight, def.not Elton's husband, David Furnish would be upset.
    If I remember the BBC documentary correctly , when they work together he provides the lyrics then Elton writes the tune, plays piano and sings.
  • nice_chap

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    Apr 23, 2016 2:02 PM GMT
    I feel the same way about Prince as I feel about David Bowie - both talented musicians, but just not my cup of tea. I never heard any songs by them that made me feel like "I must listen to that again". Both of them inspired musicians that I do listen to as well.

    When I was growing up, I just wouldn't bother listening to any music that was popular or well known because I wanted to discover my own tastes.

    Prince, Bowie, Madonna, Michael Jackson, George Michael, they were all household names when I was a kid or in my teens. and I wasn't after any icons at that stage. Seeing blokes wearing makeup and feminine outfits didn't have any effect on me, it was just something that people did on MTV to make their music videos and stage shows more eye-catching.

    I was more interested in singer/songwriters (mostly female) playing guitar and piano without any choreography involved. Stripped back acoustic tracks had more of an impact on me growing up than the glamorous and provocative side of pop culture. I'm not saying that side of pop sucked, it's just not what I was after at the time.
  • venue35

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    Apr 23, 2016 2:07 PM GMT
    He caused major headaches to Warner bros..
    They begged him not to release an album so soon after purple rain..they thought that he released too much material too often and the buying public would get bored or lose interest. The shit hit the fan in 94-95 when his label didn't like the gold experience.
    Prince was furious..he just gave the label a huge hit with "the most beautiful girl" but warners thought the album was too dark and explicit. Prince felt they didnt promote the album and refused to release anything new so he just pushed out some compilations and rereleases untill warners told him he could leave his contract.
    He came back to Warners in 2014 with the really good Art official Age album. The fans loved it.
  • FRE0

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    Apr 23, 2016 6:20 PM GMT
    Actually, I'd never heard of him until he died.

    Here is the kind of "artist" I like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkXOrkeZyqQ

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    PhoenixNYC saidI wonder if some of it came about because of his fights with Warner Brothers and breaking away from a major label. When he started using a symbol for his name and became The Artist Formerly Known as Prince, people started joking about him. The general public doesn't understand how record companies owned the artists. Prince even wrote the word "slave" on his cheek. So, when he broke away and started recording under his own label, he didn't have the big companies backing him and I'm sure they didn't want him to be successful (because they don't want other artists doing that either). He didn't own the rights to his own Warner Brothers music until 2014. He didn't trust iTunes and YouTube and didn't like artists covering. At one point, he pulled all of his videos from YouTube. In 2015, he pulled all of his music from streaming services, except for TIDAL. I haven't checked to see if you can get it now on Spotify or Pandora.

    So...with all of that..it was easy for some people to forget about Prince or not be very familiar with his music. He wasn't constantly reminding people he was still around like other artists of his generation did. Plus, he was extremely private.

    His music had a huge impact on me, and I have been listening to him ever since I was in high school. I made a mix of late '70s/'80s music and played it at a photo shoot...when "I Wanna Be Your Lover" came on, everyone started dancing around and asked me to turn it up.

    I just purchased "Purple Rain" on iTunes last night and listened to it. After 32 years, it still sounds just as fresh.

    I saw him live once, and he put on an amazing show. He was a consummate musician and performer.




    I suppose like most in the entertainment industry, especially the music, "they can make you and they can break you". "Contracts" are a specialty. Once you are a no name, then you are a household name, sometimes over night. "Slave" of course, means you are owned, in the bigger picture context of things, aren't we all "owned" by somebody? Do our employers own us when we trod off to work everyday, trading work for a paycheck? True independence comes in the form of wealth and common sense

    This is why a lot of former child stars, especially TV, are broke or destitute in their adult lives. The "contracts" they sign with their studios or managers, give creative rights and royalties to the big companies, not the person they are representing.

    It would appear to be a "trade off" of some sort. The person becomes famous (with enough money) and the big company representing gives itself a life time income. Most entertainment artists will admit to, "selling their souls to the devil", meaning they sold their personal rights away (signed contract with) to this big entertainment machine in exchange for money and fame. Of course Prince was no stranger to this machine and how they operate, neither has been every artist out there that is under the "devils contract control", Britney did a song about it icon_idea.gif

    Along with that contract, comes "Sex Slave" too icon_idea.gif


  • Nhlakz

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    Apr 23, 2016 10:42 PM GMT
    Prince was a great vocalist/artist just nva was mainstream enough for my generation(under 30s)..he comes from the same era of whitney,micheal jackson,madonna, elton john and other big names from the 80s..i dnt remember watch american idol and seeing someone sing a prince song...its usually the other for artists that i mentioned that get a lot of airplay...and these artisted contributed to the world a lot than prince did..as someone hv mentioned..he(prince) like living a private life...and the other others like marketing themselves more..if elton john or madonna did a world and came to south africa..there wud b a lot of demand for their tickets with a mix crowd both young and old..i grew up with in a home that consumed a lot of 80s music and prince music was played a lot but his just not my cup of tea..kids under 15 here in south africa know who micheal jackson is,but not prince.
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    FRE0 saidActually, I'd never heard of him until he died.

    Here is the kind of "artist" I like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkXOrkeZyqQ



    Prince was the best of the lot of the Madonna-Jackson-etc. era, a very talented musician and songwriter and not weird like Michael Jackson. Unfortunately, the sophisticated meaning of changing his name to an unpronounceable symbol was one of those bizarre protests which was best understood as being bizarre without understanding (or caring about) the meaning of it, which detracted from his otherwise justifiable fame as an artist. Sad he died so young.

    However, when I heard on the radio driving to work that the beloved Artur had died, great tears flowed as I blinked to keep sufficient vision to drive safely. He is and was the only celebrity that I genuinely would have liked to have met to share a dinner, when one plays the parlor game of whom would you have liked to have invited to dinner. To this day on the radio I can distinguish a piece being played by him as opposed to any other artist playing the same piece, so great was his musical gift. I once saw him in person at the War Memorial in San Francisco on his last international tour, just months before his final public performance. After a generous concert for a musician of any age, the never-ending applause demanded encore after encore, until one felt only slightly guilty at further imposing on the by-that-time very tired musician, except that to a person, one knew that this was one's last opportunity to hear such sublime music live and so selfishly kept applauding until finally the house lights were turned up.
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    Apr 25, 2016 12:39 AM GMT
    One thing I think people have forgotten is that when MTV started it played very few videos by African Americans. Prince and Michael Jackson were two of the exceptions and opened doors for other artists. "1999" and "Little Red Corvette" had a huge impact on viewers and really boosted Prince's career.
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    Apr 25, 2016 2:27 AM GMT
    uh, did suddenly everyone forget this guy was a crazy christian homophobe and anti-abortion?

    no positive influence on my life whatsoever...
  • Eli_jah

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    Apr 25, 2016 10:54 AM GMT
    The first Prince album I discovered was 1999, maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Then I moved on to his earlier stuff, then Purple Rain, and so on. I'm a music fan so I know most pop music, but most young people were probably unfamiliar with Prince besides Purple Rain, "Kiss", and the Batman soundtrack.
  • bishop65

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    Apr 25, 2016 9:24 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, not much. I think younger, gay audiences are used to hearing over-produced music that isn't very challenging or authentic. Most of today's music is sanitized and safe... Prince's music wasn't that at all. He played what he wanted to play and didn't care if it was a hit or not. It was about the music and reaching people on a more personal level.

  • Apr 26, 2016 6:01 AM GMT
    bishop65 saidUnfortunately, not much. I think younger, gay audiences are used to hearing over-produced music that isn't very challenging or authentic. Most of today's music is sanitized and safe... Prince's music wasn't that at all. He played what he wanted to play and didn't care if it was a hit or not. It was about the music and reaching people on a more personal level.


    Well stated. Add to that, the younger generation seems to be interested only in the here and the now. They do not come from a generation that had albums or understood a larger piece of musical art. It is all about the hit or "single". They do not know what a concept album is. Prince's album, "Sign of the Times" would be too much for the younger generation. They would not have the patience to listen to it in its entirety and see the lyrical genius behind it. Sometimes i will go on YouTube and watch a video from a classic artist and see comments by young folks about how brilliant it is. That gives me hope. Gays have always favored female artists over male, the "divas". The younger gays seem to be even more extreme in that. If it isn't Lady GaGa, Beyonce, Rhianna or Britney, then you may as well forget it.
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    Apr 26, 2016 6:39 AM GMT
    mecduplateau saiduh, did suddenly everyone forget this guy was a crazy christian homophobe and anti-abortion?

    no positive influence on my life whatsoever...



    He didn't have much influence on the gay community back in the 80's, he was much hyper heterosexual especially with songs like this. I think what eventually 'crossed' over his music was dance-able and remix-able in the straight clubs and eventually, the gay bars. With much radio play

    I remember this song mid 90's, right after I came out going to gay clubs and bars. 'P (pussy) Control' was not exactly the song to be played in gay bars, but still going to straight bars, I heard it all the time. When I would hear this song in the straight bar, my eyes would roll, the straight people loved to dance to this icon_lol.gif







  • venue35

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    Apr 26, 2016 9:17 AM GMT
    mecduplateau saiduh, did suddenly everyone forget this guy was a crazy christian homophobe and anti-abortion?

    no positive influence on my life whatsoever...

    Total bullshit...he played with adrogyny more than any other artist even madonna.
    When Michael jackson tried constantly to prove he was "bad" and a womanizer..(and failed) Prince was strutting around onstage in leg warmers and stiletto heels.
    In the early 90's he wore an outfit with his ass out which garnered many homophobic comments.
    Someone that sends out so many confusing messages is not homophobic.

    Here are a few lyrics from his 1988 song Anna Stesia:

    "Sometimes do you feel so horny you'd take anybody boy or girl"??