Veganism & the planet!

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    Apr 25, 2016 12:22 AM GMT
    Ever consider limiting your animal products (especially beef)? Might help save the planet......maybe?
    I like fish and some chicken. I haven't had beef, pork and other livestock for 20 years.

    Studies Show Link Between Red Meat and Climate Change
    “The single most important thing is to eat less beef,” Timothy Searchinger, a Princeton University research scholar and co-author of the WRI report, said. “That is the overwhelming factor.”
    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/studies-link-red-meat-and-climate-change-20264

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    Apr 25, 2016 9:31 PM GMT
    It's been 16 years that I've been living a vegan lifestyle.
    It's a rewarding experience for yourself and the world around you, and with the wealth of information out there today, it's never been easier to make a healthful transition. icon_biggrin.gif
    nutritionfacts.org is a great starting point!
  • leanandclean

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    Apr 25, 2016 11:19 PM GMT
    Vegans are awesome also cats

  • bro4bro

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    Apr 26, 2016 4:20 AM GMT
    Hmm, somehow I don't think the red meat I eat comes from the Amazon Basin.

    But the fresh produce in my supermarket - yeah, in winter at least half of it (probably more) comes from Latin America.

    When I was a kid, people ate canned or frozen vegetables in winter because fresh vegetables weren't available.

    These days much more acreage is used to plant crops because it's not good enough to have fresh produce only in summer, you have to have it all year round - which means all the land used to grow fruits and vegetables in the US is duplicated somewhere farther south.

    Has anybody done a study on the carbon footprint of transporting produce all over the globe?
  • Wendigo9

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    Apr 26, 2016 4:24 AM GMT
    You realize even "vegans" are still eating the earth more than giving back, who are we to point fingers? icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 26, 2016 1:20 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidHmm, somehow I don't think the red meat I eat comes from the Amazon Basin.

    But the fresh produce in my supermarket - yeah, in winter at least half of it (probably more) comes from Latin America.

    When I was a kid, people ate canned or frozen vegetables in winter because fresh vegetables weren't available.

    These days much more acreage is used to plant crops because it's not good enough to have fresh produce only in summer, you have to have it all year round - which means all the land used to grow fruits and vegetables in the US is duplicated somewhere farther south.

    Has anybody done a study on the carbon footprint of transporting produce all over the globe?



    It's all the global soy production, the majority of which is raised for animal feed, that is pushing deforestation in the amazon to grow cash crops like soy to feed the animals meat eaters eat.

    For example, nearly 98% of soy grown in the US is not used to feed people, but to feed animals like cows and pigs. So yes... neat eaters are to blame. Lolz
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    Apr 26, 2016 6:21 PM GMT
    mecduplateau said
    bro4bro saidHmm, somehow I don't think the red meat I eat comes from the Amazon Basin.

    But the fresh produce in my supermarket - yeah, in winter at least half of it (probably more) comes from Latin America.

    When I was a kid, people ate canned or frozen vegetables in winter because fresh vegetables weren't available.

    These days much more acreage is used to plant crops because it's not good enough to have fresh produce only in summer, you have to have it all year round - which means all the land used to grow fruits and vegetables in the US is duplicated somewhere farther south.

    Has anybody done a study on the carbon footprint of transporting produce all over the globe?



    It's all the global soy production, the majority of which is raised for animal feed, that is pushing deforestation in the amazon to grow cash crops like soy to feed the animals meat eaters eat.

    For example, nearly 98% of soy grown in the US is not used to feed people, but to feed animals like cows and pigs. So yes... neat eaters are to blame. Lolz


    Yup!
  • bro4bro

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    Apr 26, 2016 7:40 PM GMT
    Doesn't really answer my question though.

    It seems to me that the more vegetarian (or vegan) someone's diet is, the more they tend to go for exotic produce.

    There is an environmental cost.

    Or aren't we supposed to notice that part?
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    Apr 27, 2016 1:05 AM GMT
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    Apr 27, 2016 1:11 AM GMT
    bro4bro saidDoesn't really answer my question though.

    It seems to me that the more vegetarian (or vegan) someone's diet is, the more they tend to go for exotic produce.

    There is an environmental cost.

    Or aren't we supposed to notice that part?


    It isn't really about being vegan or vegetarian per se. There have been multiple studies about how animal agriculture isn't sustainable given the earth's growing population. Based on research avalibile both the U.N and World Health Organization have recommend that people adopt a more plant based diet. That has been reported as them saying people should go Vegan but veganism is a lifestyle and not just a diet.

    This article does a decent job or breaking it down and shows that it is a little more complicated than just "go vegan". For example fruit has the second highest carbon foot print behind red meats and fruit is clearly vegan. Also, the difference between the no beef diet and vegan really isn't that big and most of that difference is in dairy not chicken, fish and pork.

    http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet

    More specific to your question people do look into "food miles" and transport makes up about 11% of a food's carbon foot print but that really depends on how it is transported.

    http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-miles



    As for vegan's tending to go for more exotic produce, I don't think that is case.
    I have been vegan for 19 years and looking in my fridge I have some collards, kale, chard, onions, sweet potatoes, broccoli, limes, apples and strawberries. Other staples include various beans, rice, quinoa and oatmeal.

    I think the closeted thing to exotic in that would be quinoa and I would argue that it isn't terribly exotic.
  • Breeman

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    Apr 27, 2016 3:00 AM GMT
    It's been 7 years now since I cut out red meat. I'm thinking about the planet, the animals and the possible links to red meat and colon cancers my doctor recently mentioned to me.
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    Apr 27, 2016 2:04 PM GMT
    vegan or not; live in a major metro area and all your food is transported in.
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    Apr 27, 2016 3:55 PM GMT
    "Though beef demand has dropped 27% over the past 40 years in the US, global beef demand is expected to spike by 95%...[especially in India and China].

    I have zero intention of giving up beef or oil so that China and India can continue to spew massive amounts of carbon into the air thanks to virtually non-existent laws regarding environmental pollution there.
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  • JackNNJ

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    Apr 29, 2016 2:49 AM GMT
    PRY IT FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS, FAGGOT.
  • JackNNJ

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    Apr 29, 2016 2:51 AM GMT
    pellaz saidvegan or not; live in a major metro area and all your food is transported in.
    120405103643-beirut-roof-garden-city-hor


    So move the fuck out.
  • JackNNJ

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    Apr 29, 2016 2:53 AM GMT
    Breeman saidIt's been 7 years now since I cut out red meat. I'm thinking about the planet, the animals and the possible links to red meat and colon cancers my doctor recently mentioned to me.


    BRAVO! Sounds like you're well on your way to complete gender-reassignment.
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    Apr 30, 2016 4:51 AM GMT
    JackNNJ said
    Breeman saidIt's been 7 years now since I cut out red meat. I'm thinking about the planet, the animals and the possible links to red meat and colon cancers my doctor recently mentioned to me.


    BRAVO! Sounds like you're well on your way to complete gender-reassignment.


    The sexism/ignorance is strong in this post.
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    May 04, 2016 9:37 PM GMT
    India’s Answer to Global Warming: Cows That Belch Less

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/world/what-in-the-world/india-cows-carbon-emissions.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&smvar=witw5&_r=0
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    May 04, 2016 10:01 PM GMT
    I don't eat fellow mammals (or chickens lol) but I still eat seafood. There's plenty of fish in the sea, literally. Veganism is just too much for me but I applaud those who lead that lifestyle. I also applaud those who hunt for their food too.
    Anyway, pigs are smarter than any domesticated animal, y'know? What a waste of intelligent life in the billions.

    Also, you ain't any manlier than the vegan because you go to the store and buy meat. Go hunt a bear if you think you have something to prove.
  • Fireworkz

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    May 16, 2016 11:58 PM GMT
    While I'm not ready for veganism, due to raising awareness of these issues I have reduced my meat intake.

    I used to think I needed to eat meat at every meal. Now I eat half as much as I used to and aim to gradually reduce my meat intake
    I prefer fish these days
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    May 17, 2016 6:47 AM GMT
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    May 18, 2016 4:30 AM GMT
    It's more than beef here people! UGH




    HOPE???
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  • Triggerman

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    May 18, 2016 10:09 PM GMT
    How exactly, does it save the Planet? The planet will revolve around the sun pretty much as it has always done? Ice ages, ect. Save the Planet for us? Make it more habital for humans? That kind of defeats the purpose. We have to make the Earth more habitable for humans, who are destroying the world...it's a cunundrum
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    May 27, 2016 10:31 PM GMT
    Live Almost 4 Years Longer With This Diet Tweak

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/live-almost-4-years-longer-with-this-diet-tweak/ar-BBt1tMF?li=BBnba9O
  • JackNNJ

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    May 28, 2016 11:29 PM GMT
    Today is #NationalHamburgerDay.


    YUM