Sanders Is the Future for the Democrats, Even If Clinton Is the Present

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    Apr 26, 2016 12:26 AM GMT
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    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-04-25/sanders-is-the-future-for-the-democrats-even-if-clinton-is-the-present
    The Future Is Bernie's

    ...if the present is Clinton's, the future of presidential politics may very well be Bernie's. More and more evidence, in fact, is pointing to the conclusion that the heir to the Sanders' campaign, whomever he or she is, may be the one to complete his oft-mentioned but currently insufficient revolution...

    ..."Moderate and conservative voters, meanwhile, are a much smaller part of the Democratic primary vote than they were eight years ago," Enten added. "It wouldn't be surprising to see the moderate/conservative portion of the Democratic primary electorate become a minority in the next 10 years." Where once the centrist New Democrats and conservative Blue Dogs reigned, the more liberal left, associated most strongly with Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, is ascendant...

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    Apr 26, 2016 12:58 AM GMT
    This purported "revolution" will not happen without the full support of Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians, a good segment of whom is more moderate than many people think.
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    Apr 27, 2016 4:01 PM GMT
    What are you afraid of? Your so-called revolution is nothing more than stopping and reversing the redistribution of the nation's wealth to the wealthy which has been ongoing for 45 years now.

    It wasn't like this before that. And the last time it got this bad, with the wealthy stealing all new wealth as they do now, it ended in the Great Depression.

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    Leading up to the Great Depression
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    The Great Depression through Circa 1969
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    Circa 1969 through the Great Recession
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    Admittedly, when I posted a demographics thread I wondered for a moment how increasing Christian Hispanics might play on the Democratic Party with regard to being socially liberal but keep in mind too that these will be the younger and new generations of these more recent ethnic immigrants.

    Even among the old school Asians, among 1st, maybe even 2nd generation you might have a point, but 3rd generation Asian-Americans will be suffering diabetes along with good ol' redneck Republican bubba so I wouldn't count on that holding back what you affectionately call the revolution. And among the blacks long since established, well, they've been fighting for civil rights for generations now so fighting the status quo is nothing to them.

    As the article notes...

    ...Harvard's numbers jibe with other polls showing millennials are more liberal than their predecessors and more inclined toward an activist government. In 2014, for instance, the Pew Research Center found that "Millennials are considerably more liberal than other generations," and not just among self-identified Democrats...


    Those who never sold out, the Bernies of the world, did a very good job of keeping the message alive, even under years of attack by the GOP who will soon enough be out of ammo.

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    Apr 27, 2016 4:21 PM GMT
    Bernie's message is particularly appealing to young people but as a group they always tend to be idealistic. In 10-20 years let's see how idealistic they are when they're juggling mortgages, kids and all the other baggage associated with that time of life.

    "Anyone who was not a liberal by twenty years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head..."
    - attributed (perhaps wrongly) to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 27, 2016 4:47 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidBernie's message is particularly appealing to young people but as a group they always tend to be idealistic. In 10-20 years let's see how idealistic they are when they're juggling mortgages, kids and all the other baggage associated with that time of life...








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    Apr 27, 2016 4:59 PM GMT
    um, you've all perhaps noticed Bernie's age?

    There is no age limit on calling out the thievery by the 1%.

    Fact is that the 1% has been stealing the wealth of this nation away from the middle classes for 45 years now; and that after the middle class rebuilt this nation from the last time the 1% crashed the economy.

    It is not being an irresponsible child to call out a thief and it is not being an irresponsible child to call for correction.
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    Apr 28, 2016 3:04 AM GMT
    Hey, don't get me wrong. I studied tax law more than the average person and if I was in charge I'd use it like a scalpel to reverse that outrageous flow of wealth to the 1% you described (which I think is far more insidious and dangerous to our collective well-being than most people realize!).

    I'm just scoffing at the idea that all these Bernie idealists will usher in a brave new world in 20 years.
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    Apr 28, 2016 3:07 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidHey, don't get me wrong. I studied tax law more than the average person and if I was in charge I'd use it like a scalpel to reverse that outrageous flow of wealth to the 1% you described (which I think is far more insidious and dangerous to our collective well-being than most people realize!).

    I'm just scoffing at the idea that all these Bernie idealists will usher in a brave new world in 20 years.


    The destruction of the middle classes has been a plan in play for 45 years so likely that won't be fixed overnight, but what drives solving a problem is not a sense of futility but of immediacy. You picture the results and then work towards them.

    Would he have been able to make all college education "free"? Probably not; and I'm not even certain how that would work because given limited resources, maybe that would drive a intellectual wedge instead of a monetary wedge and wind up working out the same or worse in the wash, for even now we see enrollment in the USA higher than countries where education is student-debt free.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/how-do-european-countries-afford-free-college-2016-3
    In 2012, the tertiary enrollment for European countries that offer debt free college, and the US, was as follows:
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    But maybe he could have brought interest rates down on student loans, at least controlling debt instead of creating hopelessness.

    While progress might be incremental, how do you take a step without seeing yourself as having already accomplished the task. Works the same with peeing, only exaggerated in politics.