Socialism works - Venezuela CARES about its people

  • JackNNJ

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    Apr 30, 2016 11:08 PM GMT
    unlike the USA where income and wealth disparity are ruining families.

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    May 01, 2016 6:10 AM GMT
    The video describes a third world dump. Yeah socialism is working well there.


  • roadbikeRob

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    May 01, 2016 1:52 PM GMT
    Please keep in mind that Venezuela never diversified its economy and remained almost wholly dependent on oil. When the market for oil collapsed, so did Venezuela's economy. The country can't pay its bills, most of its people are now unemployed and it is a major depression that Venezuela just can't seem to dig itself out. If it's economy was much more diverse, I don't think it would have gotten nearly this bad with empty store shelves and bread lines.

    Caracus, Venezuela makes our most violent US cities like St Louis, Baltimore, and New Orleans look perfectly safe and well managed in comparison. I don't agree with all the criticism of Bernie Sanders but I damned well know that the U.S. will head in Venezuela's general direction if Hillary Clinton and all her Wall Street cronies get elected. This is exactly what Hillary supporting establishment democrats want for the U.S., total control over everything. Both Obama and Clinton want more stringent gun control modeled on overly socialistic laws in other countries.
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    May 01, 2016 7:56 PM GMT
    What a waste of time watching that video.

    Just some things to take into account if you don't want to be biased by the video above:
    1) I believe Venezuela is a very dangerous country compered to North America, Europe, or Japan. But do your research: Is it really more dangerous than it's neighboring countries?. Moreover, since Venezuela is so dangerous because a lot of people carry a weapon, should less people carry weapons in Europe, North America, Japan, etc?.
    2) Venezuela is not a socialist country. As a matter of fact, on the video they show a lot of private businesses. Moreover, last year's elections were won by the right wing, capitalist party. And so the country is about 50% in favor of a capitalist party, and about 50% in favor of a socialist party.
    3) In the video they focus on the things that are wrong, and they totally ignore the things that have improved such as poverty, literacy, and equality.
    4) Again, in the video they mention people don't make a lot of eye contact, well, that also happens here in Seattle!.
    5) The "reporters" also claim that "without a government we would have a much more peaceful and prosperous world". A lot of third world countries don't have a government in practice and they are the opposite of peaceful and prosperous.
    6) The video claims Sanders wants to turn the US into Venezuela without giving any proof of it at all.
    7) The video also claims public transportation is insufficient in Venezuela, which probably is true. But again, try to go from downtown LA to the Getty Museum using public transportation, I think it took me an hour and a half, each way!.
    9) The video also claims there's no water or toilet paper in some stores. Again, please compare the access to water and basic products between neighboring countries.
    10) The video also doesn't explain why did the socialist party reach the power, and how was it before them. Without that, you cannot objectively analyze what the government accomplished or failed at.
    11) One of the guys in the video claim, without any evidence whatsoever, that there's going to be a total collapse in the whole world by October this year and the whole world will only have one country and one currency by 2018:

    What a waste of time watching that video.
  • Crisistunity

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    May 02, 2016 11:21 AM GMT
    Of course Socialism works, and it works miracles for those in the top elites, while the common people starve and get killed:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.html
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    May 03, 2016 3:16 AM GMT
    Socialism doesn't work. Venezuela is the number one example of this. It's going to decades for Venezuela to recover from it's disastrous socialist experiment.
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    May 03, 2016 3:47 AM GMT
    Social unrest to make the rich richer! Sounds good. Poor people need to wise up. lol GET TO WORK!
  • 6packabs

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    Apr 08, 2017 4:09 PM GMT
    Stereotypically, gay men are dumber than a box of rocks in all matters historical, constitutiinal, and economic.

    That video is a gem. I love Luke and the reporting he has done through the years. That's one gutsy kid who has been in the face of the elite such as David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger and others who push socialism and Marxism as part of their damned New World Order agenda.

    Only a dumbass would outlaw your ability and natural, god-given right to self defense. Yet plenty of sicko hypocrites in America push that agenda. Let's see Senator Feienstein give up her guns and her body guards with guns. No, she's all for her own protection, but you, one of the unwashed, shall not be permitted to have self-defense.

    The 2nd Amendment is not for deer hunting.

    Good hell we see what compulsory "free education" (brainwashing) in America produces.

    Here is another vid speaking to the historical nightmare that is this damn socialist list of failures that ALWAYS happens with statists and their damned government they worship being allowed to lord over the people in all things.

    http://youtu.be/B0BpLlnvmME
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    Apr 08, 2017 4:33 PM GMT
    6packabs saidStereotypically, gay men are dumber than a box of rocks in all matters historical, constitutiinal, and economic.

    That video is a gem. I love Luke and the reporting he has done through the years. That's one gutsy kid who has been in the face of the elite such as David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger and others who push socialism and Marxism as part of their damned New World Order agenda.

    Only a dumbass would outlaw your ability and natural, god-given right to self defense. Yet plenty of sicko hypocrites in America push that agenda. Let's see Senator Feienstein give up her guns and her body guards with guns. No, she's all for her own protection, but you, one of the unwashed, shall not be permitted to have self-defense.

    The 2nd Amendment is not for deer hunting.

    Good hell we see what compulsory "free education" (brainwashing) in America produces.

    Here is another vid speaking to the historical nightmare that is this damn socialist list of failures that ALWAYS happens with statists and their damned government they worship being allowed to lord over the people in all things.

    http://youtu.be/B0BpLlnvmME


    Absolutely correct!

    A basic of any free society.....is our God given right to keep the FRUITS OF OUR LABOR and RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES.

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    Apr 08, 2017 5:27 PM GMT
    As roadbikeRob partly alluded to, the problem is not socialism - the vast majority of jobs created by Chávez were in the private sector, and the state sector is much smaller than in France - but the failure to diversify the economy in the face of an international oil glut, the wrongheaded decision to reduce the availability of foreign exchange, and the impact of sanctions imposed on financial institutions by the US over several years.

    From 1999-2014, the Bolivarian experiment did very well, particularly after 2004 when the Chávez government got control of the national oil industry. The economy grew year on year (after 20 years of precipitous decline before Chávez) and social indicators skyrocketed. Sanctions, mismanagement and unfavorable trends in the global economy have stalled some of that progress over the last three years, but unifying and fixing the multiple exchange rate system is feasible to stabilize the country's finances, which still provide vital benefits to citizens that were not on offer before Chávez, and which the population value (hence the PSUV still won 41% of the vote in the December 2015 legislative elections - not a bad low-water mark for "worst election result ever" - despite serious shortages of consumer goods, 180% inflation and a deep recession)...
  • CecilWitte

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    Apr 08, 2017 6:09 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidPlease keep in mind that Venezuela never diversified its economy and remained almost wholly dependent on oil. When the market for oil collapsed, so did Venezuela's economy. The country can't pay its bills, most of its people are now unemployed and it is a major depression that Venezuela just can't seem to dig itself out. If it's economy was much more diverse, I don't think it would have gotten nearly this bad with empty store shelves and bread lines.

    Caracus, Venezuela makes our most violent US cities like St Louis, Baltimore, and New Orleans look perfectly safe and well managed in comparison. I don't agree with all the criticism of Bernie Sanders but I damned well know that the U.S. will head in Venezuela's general direction if Hillary Clinton and all her Wall Street cronies get elected. This is exactly what Hillary supporting establishment democrats want for the U.S., total control over everything. Both Obama and Clinton want more stringent gun control modeled on overly socialistic laws in other countries.


    Pretty much. The Soviet Union got into the same trap, and never diversified much. It got stuck on the oil industry in the 1970s and never moved on. And frankly, all those Gulf countries, and today's Russian Federation, Venezuela, and even Canada are headed down the same path. That is the problem with relying on resources.

    Remember Nauru? It used to be filthy rich because of its phosphate industry. The phosphates are gone now, the environment is destroyed, and there is no money.