Myths About Transition (transgender) Regrets. Oft-cited Study's Author: "the study DOES NOT show that medical transition results in suicide"

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    May 01, 2016 4:01 AM GMT
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html
    ...Recently there has been a spate of blog posts raising the specter of transgender people regretting transitioning. They cite their two favorite studies, without actually looking at what the actual studies said...

    ...Let’s deconstruct the arguments being trotted out one by one.

    1. A Swedish study shows post-operative people are more much more likely to commit suicide.

    This statement grossly misrepresents the findings of the study and suggests that the study argues against transition-related care. Quite the opposite. The study outright states that medical transition is supported by the other research, and the study is not intended as an argument against the availability of such treatment...

    Indeed, another Swedish study in 2009 found that 95 percent of individuals who transitioned report positive life outcomes as a result.

    Additionally, the higher mortality rates are in comparison with the general populace (and not other transgender people who have not received treatment) and only apply to people who transitioned before 1989...

    It should come as no shock that as society accepts transgender people, they suffer fewer side effects of minority stress. This conclusion is supported by other recent studies (Murad 2010 and Ainsworth 2011) that found that individuals who receive treatment not only are better-off than those who didn’t but are not significantly different in daily functioning than the general population...

    2. But there’s the 2004 British study that says gender-confirmation surgery (GCS) isn’t effective.

    This statement is another gross representation of the research...

    3. Regret is common.

    Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts it below 4 percent, and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent (Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006)....

    5. The transgender community is intolerant of people who regret surgery.

    No, we just really don’t like it when people try to get between us and our doctors....


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    May 01, 2016 4:03 AM GMT
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
    Conclusions

    Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
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    http://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm
    ...Perhaps you’ve heard that a Swedish study found that trans people who access medical care are more likely to commit suicide. Writing for the Wall Street Journal, former Johns Hopkins chief psychiatrist and anti-LGBT activist Dr. Paul McHugh cited a Swedish study to make the following fact assertion:
    "blablabla...Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population....blablabla..."

    McHugh’s fact assertions were uncritically repeated by The American Conservative, Lifesite, The Christian Post, The Washington Times, Newsmax, One News Now, The Libertarian Republic, and Fox News. While McHugh’s misrepresentation of the study was debunked, the “trans medical care = suicide” meme was born....

    ...I’ve only scratched the surface of the amount of anti-trans hyperbole that cites the 2011 study titled, Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden by Dr. Cecilia Dhejne, et al. I contacted Dhejne after I witnessed her work used to support the claim that trans women are rapists and she agreed to the following interview:...

    ...Williams: Before I contacted you for this interview, were you aware of the way your work was being misrepresented?

    Dhejne: Yes! It’s very frustrating!...


    ...There you have it. To be clear:
    ◾No, the study does not show that medical transition results in suicide or suicidal ideation. The study explicitly states that such is not the case and those using this study to make that claim are using fallacious logic....

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  • Wendigo9

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    May 01, 2016 10:52 PM GMT
    Transgender surgey is a form of gender suicide, where the patient has been subjected to believe they came out all wrong at the start of their existance. In some cases, although believing mentally they should be the opposite sex of how they were born, their body's original DNA have/will reject the artificial changes and damages made to their body. If anything not only can the patient begin to realize the "what have I done?" scenario, it's nature's way of telling them the difference between being real (natural) and being fake (ungrateful).
  • trvlmscl

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    May 01, 2016 11:04 PM GMT
    trvlmscl said
    Wendigo9 saidTransgender surgey is a form of gender suicide, where the patient has been subjected to believe they came out all wrong at the start of their existance. In some cases, although believing mentally they should be the opposite sex of how they were born, their body's original DNA have/will reject the artificial changes and damages made to their body. If anything not only can the patient begin to realize the "what have I done?" scenario, it's nature's way of telling them the difference between being real (natural) and being fake (ungrateful).


    You sound like most in the closed minded anti-transgender camp. I think there are far more women that regret cosmetic plastic surgery than those that regret SRS.

    Do you know what will lower suicide rates in any demographic, including our transgender brothers & sisters???

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  • JackNNJ

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    May 02, 2016 2:18 AM GMT
    Oh HuffPo - making up shit then "debunking" it. Another white Liberal straw man. Or straw pussy-fag-sissy-gurl, whatevs.

    In any case, trannies don't need surgery, they need therapy.
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    May 02, 2016 2:20 AM GMT
    And furthermore:

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  • Wendigo9

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    May 02, 2016 3:06 AM GMT
    JackNNJ saidOh HuffPo - making up shit then "debunking" it. Another white Liberal straw man. Or straw pussy-fag-sissy-gurl, whatevs.

    In any case, trannies don't need surgery, they need therapy.

    Glad someone on here see's the medical evidence too, and hope you're not calling me white-trash.

    Trimscl, how am I closed minded if I research things thoroughly and weight out the pros/cons properly first? I was pointing this out as neutral, not an attack.
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    May 02, 2016 9:22 AM GMT
    I know I'll be called a bigot and a hater for even asking the question but what if someone were to claim that inside they felt like a duck or an alien or a fire hydrant and decided to transfigure themselves into what they thought they "truly" were, wouldn't we all agree that that person has a mental issue? I'm not sure why this is any different. Male/Female are biological terms based on chromosomes but we have turned them into psychological terms based on feelings. I know the trend is towards "gender non-specific" but a male is always going to be a male and female is always going to be female even after hormones and surgery. I feel for someone going through this but we don't tell a schizophrenic that the voices they hear in their heads are real do we?
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    May 02, 2016 12:59 PM GMT
    trvlmscl said
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    Wendigo9 saidTransgender surgey is a form of gender suicide, where the patient has been subjected to believe they came out all wrong at the start of their existance. In some cases, although believing mentally they should be the opposite sex of how they were born, their body's original DNA have/will reject the artificial changes and damages made to their body. If anything not only can the patient begin to realize the "what have I done?" scenario, it's nature's way of telling them the difference between being real (natural) and being fake (ungrateful).


    You sound like most in the closed minded anti-transgender camp. I think there are far more women that regret cosmetic plastic surgery than those that regret SRS.

    Do you know what will lower suicide rates in any demographic, including our transgender brothers & sisters???

    LOVE

    KINDNESS

    ACCEPTANCE


    I'll look to see if studies have been done but I'd imagine that a gay person's negative attitude towards transsexuality works similarly to a homophobe's attitude towards gay people in that the more someone is truly comfortable with their own sexual orientation and identity (and not just faking it) the more comfortable will they tend to be with others'.

    To the physical nature of transsexuality, mind is physical, thinking is physical, thoughts and feelings, guess what, physical. The brain is neurons and neurons are physical. So it doesn't say much to just focus on one aspect of physicality in determining a thing. But even if just looking at the standard notion of physicality, the things beyond thoughts, the mechanics, we find that...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism
    ...Currently, there are numerous possible explanations of the cause of transsexuality, including genetics, brain structure, brain function, and prenatal androgen exposure. Other theories have proposed linking the cause to psychological and behavioral reasons. These theories are not necessarily mutually exclusive....

    Genetics

    The androgen receptor (AR), also known as NR3C4, is activated by the binding of testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, where it plays a critical role in the forming of primary and secondary male sex characteristics. Hare et al. found that male-to-female transsexuals were found to have longer repetitions of the gene, which reduced its effectiveness at binding testosterone.

    A variant genotype for a gene called CYP17, which acts on the sex hormones pregnenolone and progesterone, has been found to be linked to female-to-male transsexuality ... Most notably, the FTM subjects not only had the variant genotype more frequently, but had an allele distribution equivalent to male controls, unlike the female controls. The paper concluded that the loss of a female-specific CYP17 T -34C allele distribution pattern is associated with FtM transsexuality.

    Brain structure

    ...In a follow-up study, Kruijver et al. (2000) looked at the number of neurons in BSTc instead of volumes. They found the same results as Zhou et al. (1995), but with even more dramatic differences. One MTF subject who had never gone on hormones was also included, and who matched up with the female neuron counts nonetheless...

    ...In a review of the evidence in 2006, Gooren confirms the earlier research as supporting the concept that transsexuality is a sexual differentiation disorder of the sex dimorphic brain.[7] Dick Swaab (2004) concurs...

    ...In 2008, a new region with properties similar to that of BSTc in regards to transsexuality was found by Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab: the interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH3), part of the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus. The same method of controlling for hormone usage was used as in Zhou et al. (1995) and Kruijver et al. (2000). The differences were even more pronounced than with BSTc; control males averaged 1.9 times the volume and 2.3 times the neurons as control females, yet once again, regardless of hormone exposure, MTF transsexuals lay within the female range and the FTM transsexual within the male range....

    etc. etc. etc.....

    Brain plasticity

    ...Brain structure differences associated with transsexualism do not exist in isolation. Similar brain structure differences have been noted between gay and heterosexual men, and between lesbian and heterosexual women...

    etc
    etc
    etc


    So even in this early stage of study, already there's lots of evidence of transsexuality having identifiable physical causes, speaking of nature's way.

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    May 02, 2016 6:44 PM GMT
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    May 02, 2016 6:46 PM GMT
    RainBow_Dragon2000 saidI know I'll be called a bigot and a hater for even asking the question but what if someone were to claim that inside they felt like a duck or an alien or a fire hydrant and decided to transfigure themselves into what they thought they "truly" were, wouldn't we all agree that that person has a mental issue? I'm not sure why this is any different. Male/Female are biological terms based on chromosomes but we have turned them into psychological terms based on feelings. I know the trend is towards "gender non-specific" but a male is always going to be a male and female is always going to be female even after hormones and surgery. I feel for someone going through this but we don't tell a schizophrenic that the voices they hear in their heads are real do we?


    Indeed. Dangerous Faggot nails it in 30 seconds:



  • Wendigo9

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    May 03, 2016 7:43 AM GMT
    RainBow_Dragon2000 saidI know I'll be called a bigot and a hater for even asking the question but what if someone were to claim that inside they felt like a duck or an alien or a fire hydrant and decided to transfigure themselves into what they thought they "truly" were, wouldn't we all agree that that person has a mental issue? I'm not sure why this is any different. Male/Female are biological terms based on chromosomes but we have turned them into psychological terms based on feelings. I know the trend is towards "gender non-specific" but a male is always going to be a male and female is always going to be female even after hormones and surgery. I feel for someone going through this but we don't tell a schizophrenic that the voices they hear in their heads are real do we?

    Thank you so much for telling them an example of reality, we all wish to be something better but don't have to lose our minds over it.