"No Fats No Fems" shirt backlash

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    May 02, 2016 8:58 PM GMT
    http://mic.com/articles/141960/this-no-fats-no-fems-shirt-reveals-a-sad-truth-about-the-gay-community#.dKDN1EYQJ

    First of all, the maker says it's satire. Even if it isn't... who fucking cares? It's an accurate portrayal of the tastes of a majority of gay males. Yes, most gay males prefer guys on the masculine side (and no, that isn't homophobic of me to mention) and yes, most gay dude prefer guys to be fit.

    Are there exceptions? Of course, there are for every rule--there certainly are guys out there who like chubby or fat guys, and there are definitely guys out there who prefer more fem guys.

    But the fact that the majority of gay men prefer men who match the modern notion of what it means to be a stereotypical man (masculine, muscular, fit) shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

    It's really annoying that people can't be honest with their preferences and have to play into the politically correct game at all times these days.

    When an morbidly obese girl posts a prom pic of herself (where she is wider than she is tall) and the only acceptable comment is "she's beautiful!"--how dare anyone point out that she will likely get diabetes or other health issues? If you do that, then you're labled as a body-shamer.

    I think I'm going to buy like ten of these tank tops.
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    May 02, 2016 9:10 PM GMT
    Truth in advertising; the shirt should say "No fats, no fems, no old geezers, no blacks, no Asians."
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    May 02, 2016 10:33 PM GMT
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    I most object to people referring to what that shirt actually is - commonly referred to as a sleeveless or cut-off tee, a vest, or a douchebag tee - as a tank top.(There's actually an even more definitive name for those side-vented t-shirts exposing everything - including belly and nipple - from a man's hip to his pit, but it escapes me, though one thing's for certain - fats and MOST fems shouldn't wear them!)

    MUCH worse than not knowing the difference between a tank top and a wifebeater (a wifebeater's a ribbed undershirt, ala Marlon Brando in "A Streetcar Named Desire").

    Let's not even get fancy evoking stringers and racerbacks but in terms of what one could get away wearing it goes pretty much in this order:

    - parka
    - sweatshirt
    - long sleeved dress shirt
    - t-shirt
    - tank top
    - stringer
    - wifebeater
    - racerback
    - sleeveless t/vest
    - most underarmour/lycra/spandex
    - shirtless

    I'm still stuck at wifebeater.
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    May 03, 2016 12:27 AM GMT
    I'm not exactly sure how a T-shirt conveys satire. Usually you need to provide a bit more context...like a picture or something. Or if the guy wearing the shirt was both fat and fem. That would be funny.

    But otherwise, I can see the reason why people are taking this at face value. But I think it would be helpful for plenty of guys. Just find the guys wearing the shirt with pride and you'll know exactly who you need to avoid.

    danlport saidWhen an morbidly obese girl posts a prom pic of herself (where she is wider than she is tall) and the only acceptable comment is "she's beautiful!"--how dare anyone point out that she will likely get diabetes or other health issues? If you do that, then you're labled as a body-shamer.

    I think this hypothetical teenage girl is posting a picture in her dress because she wants to feel pretty on her prom night, not because she wants health advice from people in her social circle who are suppose to be friendly. Pointing out her health issues on her prom picture is not body shaming, but it is a concerning miscalculation of social cues.
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    May 03, 2016 1:23 AM GMT
    danlport saidhttp://mic.com/articles/141960/this-no-fats-no-fems-shirt-reveals-a-sad-truth-about-the-gay-community#.dKDN1EYQJ

    It's an accurate portrayal of the tastes of a majority of gay males. Yes, most gay males prefer guys on the masculine side (and no, that isn't homophobic of me to mention) and yes, most gay dude prefer guys to be fit.

    Are there exceptions? Of course, there are for every rule--there certainly are guys out there who like chubby or fat guys, and there are definitely guys out there who prefer more fem guys.

    But the fact that the majority of gay men prefer men who match the modern notion of what it means to be a stereotypical man (masculine, muscular, fit) shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

    It's really annoying that people can't be honest with their preferences and have to play into the politically correct game at all times these days.


    No holistic perception of human beings here.
    No expectation that most gay men have a holistic perception of self and other men.

    Just fitness and gender make-up of the incarnation.
    Just fitness and gender make the person.

    How shallow. Not political correctness but a call from depravity and indifference to other qualities of a person. It is a human right to be seen and judged for more than fitness and gender appearance.

    You're not in a store, you're in society with real people with more complexity of worth.
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    May 03, 2016 1:35 AM GMT
    And then after they get what they want, this:

    Here's proof: One 2012 study in the journal Body Image showed that, when it comes to short-term relationships, gay men prize lean, muscular builds the most.
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    May 03, 2016 1:49 AM GMT
    "This "No Fats, No Fems" Shirt Reveals a Sad Truth About the Gay Community"

    Well, I don't know there is anything "sad" about this. And if there is, heterosexuals are just as guilty, so not sure why gay people are being singled out. Straight people don't like fat people anymore than gays do and a straight guy isn't usually into butch females anymore than straight women are into nelly dudes. You can't get people to alter their preferences by guilt. It's just stupid.
  • Wendigo9

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    May 03, 2016 2:26 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidTruth in advertising; the shirt should say "No fats, no fems, no old geezers, no blacks, no Asians."

    why not get a tattoo that says "sets the bar too high"? #sarcasm
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    May 03, 2016 2:29 AM GMT
    Wendigo9 said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidTruth in advertising; the shirt should say "No fats, no fems, no old geezers, no blacks, no Asians."

    why not get a tattoo that says "sets the bar too high"? #sarcasm
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    May 03, 2016 2:52 AM GMT
    Does it comes with matching heels for dancing?
  • BloodFlame

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    May 03, 2016 2:57 AM GMT
    Eh as a feminine guy, I don't think it's a big deal. This is why I started my previous thread on advice to fem guys about how we should just accept these things and not be offended. Even if it isn't satire, who cares? You can't change how people feel about these things, let alone gay people so arguing and bitching about it is VERY pointless. It's not too hard to ignore after all.


    If a guy wants to wear the shirt, I say go ahead and rock it with style.
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    May 03, 2016 6:16 AM GMT
    On one side there are the political correctness police who often make things miserable.
    On the other side there is asshole nation who also often make things miserable.
    Unfortunately most of us who are reasonable are stuck in between these two groups.
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    May 03, 2016 7:09 AM GMT
    If people just ignored the stupidity to begin with, it would shrivel up, die and wither away. Why people get flustered by something so trivial is beyond me. This isn't newsworthy in the slightest.
  • Relajado

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    May 03, 2016 11:00 AM GMT
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    I most object to people referring to what that shirt actually is - commonly referred to as a sleeveless or cut-off tee, a vest, or a douchebag tee - as a tank top.(There's actually an even more definitive name for those side-vented t-shirts exposing everything - including belly and nipple - from a man's hip to his pit, but it escapes me, though one thing's for certain - fats and MOST fems shouldn't wear them!)

    MUCH worse than not knowing the difference between a tank top and a wifebeater (a wifebeater's a ribbed undershirt, ala Marlon Brando in "A Streetcar Named Desire").

    Let's not even get fancy evoking stringers and racerbacks but in terms of what one could get away wearing it goes pretty much in this order:

    - parka
    - sweatshirt
    - long sleeved dress shirt
    - t-shirt
    - tank top
    - stringer
    - wifebeater
    - racerback
    - sleeveless t/vest
    - most underarmour/lycra/spandex
    - shirtless

    I'm still stuck at wifebeater.


    I can wear what I want tbh.
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    May 03, 2016 3:25 PM GMT
    go_dreaming saidI'm not exactly sure how a T-shirt conveys satire. Usually you need to provide a bit more context...like a picture or something. Or if the guy wearing the shirt was both fat and fem. That would be funny.

    But otherwise, I can see the reason why people are taking this at face value. But I think it would be helpful for plenty of guys. Just find the guys wearing the shirt with pride and you'll know exactly who you need to avoid.

    danlport saidWhen an morbidly obese girl posts a prom pic of herself (where she is wider than she is tall) and the only acceptable comment is "she's beautiful!"--how dare anyone point out that she will likely get diabetes or other health issues? If you do that, then you're labled as a body-shamer.

    I think this hypothetical teenage girl is posting a picture in her dress because she wants to feel pretty on her prom night, not because she wants health advice from people in her social circle who are suppose to be friendly. Pointing out her health issues on her prom picture is not body shaming, but it is a concerning miscalculation of social cues.


    It's probably this one--
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  • badbug

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    May 03, 2016 4:27 PM GMT
    Someone once offered me this advice and it was so brilliant it made perfect sense the instant i heard it:

    "bitches gotta bitch"

  • HndsmKansan

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    May 03, 2016 4:29 PM GMT
    If I saw a dude with the shirt, my reaction probably wouldn't be positive.
  • BloodFlame

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    May 03, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIf I saw a dude with the shirt, my reaction probably wouldn't be positive.


    Maybe but why wouldn't it? I mean, I'm pretty sure you're not any of those things so would it really bother you that much?
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    May 03, 2016 6:47 PM GMT

    The t-shirt I suppose is just the beginning of the subject



    'No Fats, No Femmes' Documentary Seeks To Start Dialogue On Desire And Body Image
    http://www.ravishly.com/2016/01/27/no-fats-no-femmes-documentary-seeks-start-dialogue-desire-and-body-image




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    May 03, 2016 7:54 PM GMT
    I think it's funny that someone's doing a documentary on this well-worn and pointless subject. What's next, a film exploring why the law of gravity is really a form of cultural repression?
  • JackNNJ

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    May 04, 2016 1:39 AM GMT
    No fats, fems, or Asians.
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    May 04, 2016 3:28 AM GMT
    Never heard of this clothing company / designers until this post. I looked them up and their brand. Looks like crap! So they can put whatever they want on their shirts and I wouldn't care!
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    May 04, 2016 3:57 AM GMT
    I have less respect for any moron that spends $28 for a shirt they can make for $5. icon_lol.gif
  • Allen

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    May 04, 2016 7:16 AM GMT
    I personally can't blame a guy for being physically turned off by someone who is fem and/or fat. It's just a preference that is what it is. I myself am only into masculine and fit guys.

    But ... there is no reason to be rude about it. Putting the phrase "no fems or fats" in their profile is obnoxious and rude. And wearing a phrase like that on a T-Shirt in public is really, really obnoxious. Matter of fact, only a real douche bag would wear something like that in public. And even if the guy wearing it was hot, masculine, and fit, I'd never go out with him.
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    May 04, 2016 9:56 AM GMT
    I'm fat, but can go on a diet.
    Meanwhile, you'll still be an...*