Will St. Peter call your name?

  • RainBow_Drago...

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    May 05, 2016 9:37 AM GMT
    So can you be homosexual AND religious at the same time without facing the consequence of hell for your sexuality?
    I'm focusing on the three “Abraham” religions of the world “ Judaism, Christianity, and Islam”.



    I know there are several ant-LGBT references to homosexuality in the religious scriptures of these three religions and it strongly condemns it.



    So how can you be gay and religious?

    Or more importantly

    According to your faith, will you be punished for being a homosexual? - and what does that mean to you as a gay believer?
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    May 05, 2016 12:09 PM GMT
    I'm a practicing Catholic--and by that I mean I go to church every week; I pray everyday; I pray the rosary; I fast during Lent; I follow the 10 Commandments as much as I can; I treat people well; etc.--but I also disagree with some of the Catholic teachings. For example, I'm pro-choice; I believe that women should be allowed to become priests; I believe in divorce; I support contraception; etc. As a gay person, I believe that my God is a loving God. I also believe that my God knew what He was doing when He created me. I acknowledge that I am accountable for all my actions and the consequences of my actions. When my time comes, I know that my God will know that I tried my very best to be a good person--and ultimately that's all that matters.
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    May 05, 2016 3:05 PM GMT
    RainBow_Dragon2000 saidSo can you be homosexual AND religious at the same time without facing the consequence of hell for your sexuality?
    I'm focusing on the three “Abraham” religions of the world “ Judaism, Christianity, and Islam”.

    I know there are several ant-LGBT references to homosexuality in the religious scriptures of these three religions and it strongly condemns it.

    So how can you be gay and religious?

    Or more importantly

    According to your faith, will you be punished for being a homosexual? - and what does that mean to you as a gay believer?


    We understand life better now; so, we do not get punishments for actions that are not crimes.

    Apply your position to Physics and you will find Newton has no authority to condemn new discoveries.

    Do a deep dive on these religions and you will find poison, corruption, faulty programming (bugs) that render them the opposite of their stated purpose.
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    May 05, 2016 5:18 PM GMT
    Sorry, Are we still referencing books from thousands of years ago as if they aren't obsolete?
  • bro4bro

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    May 05, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
    Jesus said it's not what goes into your mouth, it's what comes out of your mouth that makes you unclean.

    So, as long as you swallow and don't spit, you're fine.
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    May 05, 2016 7:08 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidJesus said it's not what goes into your mouth, it's what comes out of your mouth that makes you unclean.

    So, as long as you swallow and don't spit, you're fine.


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  • Nakedman1969

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    May 05, 2016 11:29 PM GMT
    My God is a forgiving God and I try to go to church every Sunday. Yes I have to ask for forgiveness but that is my right. God said that he will forgive us if we ask no matter how many times we sin. That's way he sent his son to die on the cross for us.
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    May 06, 2016 12:42 AM GMT
    Will St. Peter call your name?

    This is the 21st Century: I would expect St. Peter to text me.

    And as for being punished for being homosexual, I was made gay by St. Peter's own God. Take it up with him.

    Plus in all (im)modesty, I practice more generosity, kindness, and other "Christian" virtues than most so-called Christians I know. If I can't make it past the Pearly Gates, then there's a whole lot of holier-than-thou Bible-thumpers who should be thrown into the fiery pit along with me.

    Just tonight, at the Cinco de Mayo celebration I attended, and posted about elsewhere, a Black woman came up to me as we were leaving. I had noticed her earlier, being ignored by the bartenders and staff at this place, which offended me. I approached her and asked if she was looking to place an order, and when she said yes I told her I'd make sure she got attention. Which she promptly did.

    She came up to me as we were later leaving, to thank me and say it was the first time in her life anyone had done her that kind of service, shown her that sort of kindness or consideration. That alone was shocking to me, since she must have been at least in her late 30s. But so she claimed. She says she visits our community, so I'll keep an eye out for her in the future, maybe buy her a drink.

    Now if that isn't enough to get me a star on St. Peter's list then I guess I'm doing it wrong, gay or not. As well as taking our 91-year-old widowed neighbor to lunch this Sunday on Mother's Day, our treat, because her own son, who lives barely a mile from here, has basically abandoned her. And she'd otherwise spend the day all by herself. Plus I take her to her many medical appointments, and shopping, or shop for her myself, since her son stopped doing that for her.

    Sorry to catalogue these things, but the fact is I'm no different from many gays. Gays who do a thousand little kindnesses all day long they never think about, and some rather large ones they may or may not get any recognition for doing.

    And if that's not enough to allow us to squeeze through the Pearly Gates, then I think they're something wrong with the system. In which case it may be time to reinvent a new system. Since Heaven and Hell, and their rules, are merely human constructs anyway.
  • Wendigo9

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    May 06, 2016 2:59 AM GMT
    RainBow_Dragon2000 saidSo can you be homosexual AND religious at the same time without facing the consequence of hell for your sexuality?
    I'm focusing on the three “Abraham” religions of the world “ Judaism, Christianity, and Islam”.

    I know there are several ant-LGBT references to homosexuality in the religious scriptures of these three religions and it strongly condemns it.

    So how can you be gay and religious?

    Or more importantly

    According to your faith, will you be punished for being a homosexual? - and what does that mean to you as a gay believer?

    Christian gays/bi's are a huge contradiction in itself lol, the bible has more than enough anti-lgbt material, but so called followers refuse to read in full. It's like signing a contract, how many of you actually read what you're getting into? lmao : P
  • Apparition

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    May 06, 2016 3:47 AM GMT
    a heck of a lot of people would be theoretically disqualified for matthew 6:6 violations...if any of that crap were real.
  • Crisistunity

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    May 06, 2016 6:14 AM GMT
    The Bible has more mentions about how sinful and unclean menstruating women are, than remarks on not being a homosexual.

    Anyone who uses two different kinds of fabrics is already condemned according to the Bible.

    The Bible, with its many versions and interpretations, is an ethic code that has been changing since it started to be written circa the 10th century BCE, with every manuscript copy and translation, until this day.

    It helped people from a radically different world from ours how to solve their dilemmas: «My neighbour has raped my virgin daughter, is he to marry her or should I accept the payment for the dowry instead?».

    And it helps nowadays countless people (who have never read it) to carry on with their lives, believing that one day, when they are dead, everything will have been worth their whiles.
  • RainBow_Drago...

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    May 06, 2016 6:17 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]Art_Deco said[/cite]Will St. Peter call your name?

    This is the 21st Century: I would expect St. Peter to text me.

    And as for being punished for being homosexual, I was made gay by St. Peter's own God. Take it up with him.

    Plus in all (im)modesty, I practice more generosity, kindness, and other "Christian" virtues than most so-called Christians I know. If I can't make it past the Pearly Gates, then there's a whole lot of holier-than-thou Bible-thumpers who should be thrown into the fiery pit along with me.

    Just tonight, at the Cinco de Mayo celebration I attended, and posted about elsewhere, a Black woman came up to me as we were leaving. I had noticed her earlier, being ignored by the bartenders and staff at this place, which offended me. I approached her and asked if she was looking to place an order, and when she said yes I told her I'd make sure she got attention. Which she promptly did.

    She came up to me as we were later leaving, to thank me and say it was the first time in her life anyone had done her that kind of service, shown her that sort of kindness or consideration. That alone was shocking to me, since she must have been at least in her late 30s. But so she claimed. She says she visits our community, so I'll keep an eye out for her in the future, maybe buy her a drink.

    Now if that isn't enough to get me a star on St. Peter's list then I guess I'm doing it wrong, gay or not. As well as taking our 91-year-old widowed neighbor to lunch this Sunday on Mother's Day, our treat, because her own son, who lives barely a mile from here, has basically abandoned her. And she'd otherwise spend the day all by herself. Plus I take her to her many medical appointments, and shopping, or shop for her myself, since her son stopped doing that for her.

    Sorry to catalogue these things, but the fact is I'm no different from many gays. Gays who do a thousand little kindnesses all day long they never think about, and some rather large ones they may or may not get any recognition for doing.

    And if that's not enough to allow us to squeeze through the Pearly Gates, then I think they're something wrong with the system. In which case it may be time to reinvent a new system. Since Heaven and Hell, and their rules, are merely human constructs anyway.[/quote

    Gay people are capable of love too. Kudos to you. (-:
  • RainBow_Drago...

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    May 06, 2016 6:21 AM GMT
    Wendigo9 said
    RainBow_Dragon2000 saidSo can you be homosexual AND religious at the same time without facing the consequence of hell for your sexuality?
    I'm focusing on the three “Abraham” religions of the world “ Judaism, Christianity, and Islam”.

    I know there are several ant-LGBT references to homosexuality in the religious scriptures of these three religions and it strongly condemns it.

    So how can you be gay and religious?

    Or more importantly

    According to your faith, will you be punished for being a homosexual? - and what does that mean to you as a gay believer?

    Christian gays/bi's are a huge contradiction in itself lol, the bible has more than enough anti-lgbt material, but so called followers refuse to read in full. It's like signing a contract, how many of you actually read what you're getting into? lmao : P


    All you have to do is either ignore the scriptures, or cross them out, or cross them out and write something different in icon_lol.gif
  • RainBow_Drago...

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    May 06, 2016 9:16 AM GMT
    However,....... How can you reconcile being gay with what the Torah , Bible, Quran says , I guess is the real question.
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    May 06, 2016 12:45 PM GMT
    RainBow_Dragon2000 saidHowever,....... How can you reconcile being gay with what the Torah , Bible, Quran says , I guess is the real question.


    Reconcile:

    The currency of The Torah, The Tanak at large, The New Testament, and The Koran is devalued by its inaccuracies, its inability to keep up with the progress of knowledge and understanding, and the shifting of priorities. So the wealth of Jewish spiritual temples and kingdoms (and Judaism never was an empire unless one counts King David as the Egyptian Pharaoh he actually was); the wealth of the Christian spiritual temple and kingdoms (Jesus' Father's temple was torn down, Jesus' Son of Man Movement for Kingdom of God/Righteousness/Heaven did not happen because the Pharisees intercepted that by having the Romans kill him; and Islam, not recognizing the fall of Temple Judaism dug up and propped up the defeated God of Temple Judaism, put that God into their notion of Allah and also into The Koran was put Jesus, the Greatest Atheist against the God of Temple Judaism.

    Furthermore, the Roman propaganda that is the New Testament has a poisonous bug in it that further makes the God of Temple Judaism dysfunctional: Take Communion and the God of Temple Judaism turns His face away from those who do that.

    The three religions you mentioned are blighted assets. Bring in their scientific value, the reconciliation is worse.
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    May 06, 2016 9:08 PM GMT
    RainBow_Dragon2000 saidSo can you be homosexual AND religious at the same time without facing the consequence of hell for your sexuality?
    I'm focusing on the three “Abraham” religions of the world “ Judaism, Christianity, and Islam”.



    I know there are several ant-LGBT references to homosexuality in the religious scriptures of these three religions and it strongly condemns it.



    So how can you be gay and religious?

    Or more importantly

    According to your faith, will you be punished for being a homosexual? - and what does that mean to you as a gay believer?


    There isn't a single passage in the Bible that condemns homosexuality--that's a common misconception.

    Not to mention that any holy book that says that I can/can't cut my hair or wear a hat or I'll be punished sounds like a rule book made by a five year old, not an all-caring omniscient being.
  • JackNNJ

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    May 07, 2016 5:01 AM GMT
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    StephenOABC said
    bro4bro saidJesus said it's not what goes into your mouth, it's what comes out of your mouth that makes you unclean.

    So, as long as you swallow and don't spit, you're fine.


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    You're a kook. This section is not your holy place. It's where your connections to humans come to die. Why even bother being here? You can shout at sky in the privacy of your own padded cell. Save yourself the costs of internet connection and start your hermitage in a mountain cave if other humans offend you so much.
  • oldfart

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    May 07, 2016 10:30 PM GMT
    When I get down to the river Styx, I'll have a coin for the boatman, Charon. And when we get to other side it will either be the Elysian Fields or the pit of Tartarus, depending on whether I have been a virtuous man or not.

    The Fates do not care whether or not I am queer (in fact, they arranged that.) I am, like everyone else, responsible for choosing to live a virtuous life, which includes honoring other people. And if other people don't honor me - and I have been virtuous - then that vice is their own.

    I did grow up under the Judeo-Christian tradition as well as learning Greek, but it never sang to my spirit.

    Do not let any humanly imperfect interpretation of divine Will falsely damn you in this life, and certainly not afterward. That Judgment is not theirs to make.
  • JackNNJ

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    May 08, 2016 12:39 AM GMT
    oldfart saidWhen I get down to the river Styx, I'll have a coin for the boatman, Charon. And when we get to other side it will either be the Elysian Fields or the pit of Tartarus, depending on whether I have been a virtuous man or not.

    The Fates do not care whether or not I am queer (in fact, they arranged that.) I am, like everyone else, responsible for choosing to live a virtuous life, which includes honoring other people. And if other people don't honor me - and I have been virtuous - then that vice is their own.

    I did grow up under the Judeo-Christian tradition as well as learning Greek, but it never sang to my spirit.

    Do not let any humanly imperfect interpretation of divine Will falsely damn you in this life, and certainly not afterward. That Judgment is not theirs to make.


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  • FRE0

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    May 08, 2016 1:18 AM GMT
    RainBow_Dragon2000 said[quote][cite]Art_Deco said[/cite]Will St. Peter call your name?

    This is the 21st Century: I would expect St. Peter to text me.

    And as for being punished for being homosexual, I was made gay by St. Peter's own God. Take it up with him.

    Plus in all (im)modesty, I practice more generosity, kindness, and other "Christian" virtues than most so-called Christians I know. If I can't make it past the Pearly Gates, then there's a whole lot of holier-than-thou Bible-thumpers who should be thrown into the fiery pit along with me.

    Just tonight, at the Cinco de Mayo celebration I attended, and posted about elsewhere, a Black woman came up to me as we were leaving. I had noticed her earlier, being ignored by the bartenders and staff at this place, which offended me. I approached her and asked if she was looking to place an order, and when she said yes I told her I'd make sure she got attention. Which she promptly did.

    She came up to me as we were later leaving, to thank me and say it was the first time in her life anyone had done her that kind of service, shown her that sort of kindness or consideration. That alone was shocking to me, since she must have been at least in her late 30s. But so she claimed. She says she visits our community, so I'll keep an eye out for her in the future, maybe buy her a drink.

    Now if that isn't enough to get me a star on St. Peter's list then I guess I'm doing it wrong, gay or not. As well as taking our 91-year-old widowed neighbor to lunch this Sunday on Mother's Day, our treat, because her own son, who lives barely a mile from here, has basically abandoned her. And she'd otherwise spend the day all by herself. Plus I take her to her many medical appointments, and shopping, or shop for her myself, since her son stopped doing that for her.

    Sorry to catalogue these things, but the fact is I'm no different from many gays. Gays who do a thousand little kindnesses all day long they never think about, and some rather large ones they may or may not get any recognition for doing.

    And if that's not enough to allow us to squeeze through the Pearly Gates, then I think they're something wrong with the system. In which case it may be time to reinvent a new system. Since Heaven and Hell, and their rules, are merely human constructs anyway.[/quote

    Gay people are capable of love too. Kudos to you. (-:


    You are obviously a kind and considerate person. I think that God is more concerned with how we treat each other than with a bunch of rules.

    How Jesus responded when He was asked which is the most important command is commonly referred to as the Summary of the Law. The second part of it is to love your neighbor as yourself. And, after giving the Summary of the Law, he said, "On these two commands hang all the law and the prophets.". Surely that is a good command for anyone of any religion or no religion. He expanded the definition of "neighbor" and made it clear what "love" is by means of the parable of the Good Samaritan. If we all followed that, everyone would be better off.
  • FRE0

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    May 08, 2016 1:30 AM GMT
    In ancient times, it was common for defeated soldiers to be raped the purpose being to degrade and humiliate them. That happens even today in some parts of the world, including in Kenya and southern Sudan. In the Middle Ages, when the Byzantium Empire defeated Bulgaria, thousands of defeated Bulgarian soldiers had their eyes gouged out. People now, for the most part, are not aware of such barbarities. However, the ancient Hebrews were very aware of such things. Thus there are proscriptions in the OT against lying with a man as with a woman. Raping a man was equated with treating him like a woman and, especially because of the low status of women, it was considered very humiliating to be raped by another man. That is why there are passages in the OT condemning lying with a man as with a woman. Except under the circumstances envisioned by the Bible, that does not apply.

    The story of the destruction of Sodom is sometimes used to condemn homosexuality, although less often now because a careful reading of that story in Genesis shows that it cannot be used to condemn homosexuality. What was actually envisioned in the story was gang rape and cannot logically be applied to voluntary relationships as many fundamentalists now realize.
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    Jesus repeatedly told us that we are saved not by works but by faith. He meant that we could never do enough good deeds in order to enter His Kingdom. I could never give enough away to charity, or be nice to people or pray enough for Him. My character did not determine entry to the Kingdom. Instead, all He asked was that we believe. So easy yet so hard to do. The murderer on the cross beside him entered the Kingdom at the 11th hour by believing. Most of us would probably have shut the door to a guy like that. People often forget that there are no levels of sin. One sin is not worse than the other. Lying, stealing and murder are al sins, and none of us can ever claim to be sinless, despite how good we are. Although the church aspires to be Godlike, it falls short, limited by its sinful flock, us. Our priests and leaders are sinful, just like anyone else. So although the church tries to impose values and determine who enters and who needs to change before coming in, Jesus did no. He became very upset with the tax collectors in the temple and chased them out. They were limiting access to God instead of facilitating people's faith. Jesus recruited people full of sin and took them into his arms and the Kingdom of God. So, I will enter the Kingdom by faith, despite who I am and in spite of whom I will become.
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    May 08, 2016 7:41 PM GMT
    oldfart saidWhen I get down to the river Styx, I'll have a coin for the boatman, Charon. And when we get to other side it will either be the Elysian Fields or the pit of Tartarus, depending on whether I have been a virtuous man or not.

    The Fates do not care whether or not I am queer (in fact, they arranged that.) I am, like everyone else, responsible for choosing to live a virtuous life, which includes honoring other people. And if other people don't honor me - and I have been virtuous - then that vice is their own.

    I did grow up under the Judeo-Christian tradition as well as learning Greek, but it never sang to my spirit.

    Do not let any humanly imperfect interpretation of divine Will falsely damn you in this life, and certainly not afterward. That Judgment is not theirs to make.


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    Longblack saidJesus repeatedly told us that we are saved not by works but by faith. He meant that we could never do enough good deeds in order to enter His Kingdom. I could never give enough away to charity, or be nice to people or pray enough for Him. My character did not determine entry to the Kingdom. Instead, all He asked was that we believe. So easy yet so hard to do. The murderer on the cross beside him entered the Kingdom at the 11th hour by believing. Most of us would probably have shut the door to a guy like that. People often forget that there are no levels of sin. One sin is not worse than the other. Lying, stealing and murder are al sins, and none of us can ever claim to be sinless, despite how good we are. Although the church aspires to be Godlike, it falls short, limited by its sinful flock, us. Our priests and leaders are sinful, just like anyone else. So although the church tries to impose values and determine who enters and who needs to change before coming in, Jesus did no. He became very upset with the tax collectors in the temple and chased them out. They were limiting access to God instead of facilitating people's faith. Jesus recruited people full of sin and took them into his arms and the Kingdom of God. So, I will enter the Kingdom by faith, despite who I am and in spite of whom I will become.


    Was this Jesus or Paul?

    Jesus said faith healed, not necessarily that faith saved the soul after death.