Mentally ill man attempts suicide after clinic replaces his meds with Bible study

  • metta

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    May 11, 2016 1:46 AM GMT
    Mentally ill man attempts suicide after clinic replaces his meds with Bible study

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/mentally-ill-man-attempts-suicide-after-clinic-replaces-his-meds-with-bible-study/
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    May 11, 2016 11:28 AM GMT
    I find it perplexing when faith-based people tell those who are ill that God will cure them if they pray just hard enough. If God is so involved with their health, why didn't He prevent them from getting sick in the first place?
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    May 11, 2016 1:22 PM GMT
    Here in NJ, Liberals are replacing pain meds in hospitals with harp music and faith healing.
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    May 11, 2016 2:19 PM GMT
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    themachine saidI find it perplexing when faith-based people tell those who are ill that God will cure them if they pray just hard enough. If God is so involved with their health, why didn't He prevent them from getting sick in the first place?


    Within their system of thought they could easily justify that to themselves by saying sickness was caused by sin so prayer will heal. Or they could say that sickness was a test and prayer was the answer. Etc.

    This strikes me as a violation of the separation of church and state because doesn't the state license mental health therapists and isn't that (mental health--though in that church presented as soul) what the church group has advertised in order to attract this kid into their metaphorical human sacrificing grasp where outside of actual human sacrifice religions are given liberal leeway to practice their religion as they please.

    How would this be any different than their advertising that they can turn gay people str8 about which some states have outlawed so-called conversion or so-called reparative therapy.

    Here's were we find ourselves: a state (TN) legalizing that licensed therapists can turn away LGBT while other states allowing religious "therapists" to remove kids from their doctor prescribed mood stabilizers resulting in...

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    All for the sake of religion without regard to the safety of the public. We do a better job with seatbelts.
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    May 11, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
    themachine saidI find it perplexing when faith-based people tell those who are ill that God will cure them if they pray just hard enough. If God is so involved with their health, why didn't He prevent them from getting sick in the first place?


    Well... I don't think God shields you from everything bad, and also these people may not have been as faithful when they were healthy which is why it wouldn't have worked by their reasoning. Ultimately having a faith doesn't matter if you're not eating real food that nourishes your body anyways. All health issues can be traced back to eating unhealthy foods, breathing in pollution, adopting unhealthy views of yourself, and not following that which makes you feel joy in life. If your faith can help you fix all of the above issues, then it will help. Faith doesn't heal anyone, it is a medium for you to acquire the guidance you need to heal yourself.
  • Wendigo9

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    May 11, 2016 5:42 PM GMT
    Can you blame a guy for avoiding a mind controling cult? Christians want to deny everything about what makes us "human".
  • bro4bro

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    May 11, 2016 7:14 PM GMT
    TO23 saidAll health issues can be traced back to eating unhealthy foods, breathing in pollution, adopting unhealthy views of yourself, and not following that which makes you feel joy in life.


    Wow, that's quite a blanket statement.

    Every hear of malaria? Zika? AIDS?
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 12, 2016 12:32 AM GMT
    Wendigo9 saidCan you blame a guy for avoiding a mind controling cult? Christians want to deny everything about what makes us "human".
    Exactly. Now good luck trying to educate all these narrow minded bible thumping screwballs about this proven fact.
  • FRE0

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    May 12, 2016 2:18 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidHere in NJ, Liberals are replacing pain meds in hospitals with harp music and faith healing.


    Does that mean that patients no longer have any medications available?
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    May 12, 2016 11:12 PM GMT
    Are diabetics next?
  • tazzari

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    May 12, 2016 11:12 PM GMT
    Wendigo9 saidCan you blame a guy for avoiding a mind controling cult? Christians want to deny everything about what makes us "human".


    All Christians? Are you sure?
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    May 12, 2016 11:16 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidHere in NJ, Liberals are replacing pain meds in hospitals with harp music and faith healing.


    Fuck that! The rich aren't getting back rubs and good thoughts, they're getting morphine and oxycontin.
  • Wendigo9

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    May 12, 2016 11:17 PM GMT
    tazzari said
    Wendigo9 saidCan you blame a guy for avoiding a mind controling cult? Christians want to deny everything about what makes us "human".

    All Christians? Are you sure?

    Think about it, saying "god" is great and we are shit. . . got a cross on you and yeah you're alot more than just smell bad, pweu...
  • tazzari

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    May 13, 2016 1:57 AM GMT
    Hmmm Guess you don't know the Christians I know. No one talks of anyone being shit, and my church does a heck of a lot to feed the poor, marches in the Pride parade, hosts AA, just raised money for Fort McMurray, is working with a Christian/Jewish/Muslim youth reconciliation program...

    Don't paint with too wide a brush. I gather you've have some pretty bad experiences - we've all heard a lot of hateful stuff from self-proclaimed "christians" - but don't judge us all.
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    May 13, 2016 2:23 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidHere in NJ, Liberals are replacing pain meds in hospitals with harp music and faith healing.


    It's not liberals doing the faith healing. Christians have been pushing that for some time and that's why it's legal in some states to NOT take your child to the hospital for a lethal illness. As for the harp music, validated studies have shown that music or art therapy does decrease the need for pain meds and improve patients well being. We use it all the time on cancer patients and I've seen it work. It does not mean the usual pain meds are not available.
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    May 13, 2016 4:34 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidHere in NJ, Liberals are replacing pain meds in hospitals with harp music and faith healing.

    Yes, because the term "religious right" actually means liberals.

    You sir, are a hopeless idiot. Sorry to tell you that.
  • rdberg1957

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    May 14, 2016 1:13 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidHere in NJ, Liberals are replacing pain meds in hospitals with harp music and faith healing.


    The question is whether it works or not. Replacing pain meds with meditation is not a bad idea because the pain meds are opiates and people are dying of overdoses. There are alternate ways of dealing with pain. Even if the goal is to reduce the doses, many lives could be saved.

    Severe mental illness is very unlikely to respond to Bible Study.
  • FRE0

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    May 15, 2016 11:44 PM GMT
    rdberg1957 said
    mx5guynj saidHere in NJ, Liberals are replacing pain meds in hospitals with harp music and faith healing.


    The question is whether it works or not. Replacing pain meds with meditation is not a bad idea because the pain meds are opiates and people are dying of overdoses. There are alternate ways of dealing with pain. Even if the goal is to reduce the doses, many lives could be saved.

    Severe mental illness is very unlikely to respond to Bible Study.


    I'm glad that "alternate ways of dealing with pain" were not used instead of anesthesia when I had my appendectomy.