The Real Reason College Tuition Costs So Much

  • metta

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    May 15, 2016 7:09 PM GMT
    The Real Reason College Tuition Costs So Much

    "Salaries of full-time faculty members are, on average, barely higher than they were in 1970. Moreover, while 45 years ago 78 percent of college and university professors were full time, today half of postsecondary faculty members are lower-paid part-time employees, meaning that the average salaries of the people who do the teaching in American higher education are actually quite a bit lower than they were in 1970.

    By contrast, a major factor driving increasing costs is the constant expansion of university administration. According to the Department of Education data, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent between 1993 and 2009, which Bloomberg reported was 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions.

    Even more strikingly, an analysis by a professor at California Polytechnic University, Pomona, found that, while the total number of full-time faculty members in the C.S.U. system grew from 11,614 to 12,019 between 1975 and 2008, the total number of administrators grew from 3,800 to 12,183 — a 221 percent increase.

    The rapid increase in college enrollment can be defended by intellectually respectable arguments. Even the explosion in administrative personnel is, at least in theory, defensible. On the other hand, there are no valid arguments to support the recent trend toward seven-figure salaries for high-ranking university administrators, unless one considers evidence-free assertions about “the market” to be intellectually rigorous.

    What cannot be defended, however, is the claim that tuition has risen because public funding for higher education has been cut. Despite its ubiquity, this claim flies directly in the face of the facts."


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0
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    May 15, 2016 7:31 PM GMT
    The same can be said of government expansion in general.

    With its seeming ability to constantly fund itself with ever increasing taxes and printed money, costs will always increase.

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    May 16, 2016 1:07 PM GMT
    The Real Reason College Tuition Costs So Much: Liberalism.
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    May 16, 2016 3:36 PM GMT
    Administration explosion while more powerful computers brought productivity.

    Will come back to this.
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    May 16, 2016 4:48 PM GMT
    lolz. In province tuition in Quebec where I study: $2,294 CAD/year

    School is cheap here because there are higher provincial taxes on the wealthy and the federal government doesn't waste all its money bombing the fuck out of the entire world like the US where over half your taxes go to the military. Get it together. Your american universities are expensive cause your government is shit.

    Even for international students its only $15,338 CAD to attend university in Quebec. That's about $12k USD. Lolz, no wonder there are so many Americans at McGill and Concordia here. Find me an American uni that cheap and that good in a large cosmopolitan city comparable to Montreal in the all the US. Oh wait, you can't...

    Fuck higher ed in the US!
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    May 16, 2016 5:02 PM GMT
    I read the article, and it annoys me to no end that it blames the growth in administrative positions for the increase in tuition. If you consider the number of positions added (from the article and Metta's quote), it doesn't add even remotely to the horrors of tuition increase.

    My best guess is that there are two real culprits on both sides: tuition goes up because students can afford it, thanks to cheap loans; colleges are intensely wasteful without regards to administration per se. That is, waste in administration is just part of the general wastefulness of colleges.

    Also, students nowadays are tragically complacent and compliant. When they slashed funding to education in California during the crisis, there were scores of students that couldn't finish their degree on time because summer and evening classes were cancelled. In my ancient dinosaur days, students would have protested en masse. Now, crickets.
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    May 16, 2016 5:48 PM GMT
    mecduplateau saidlolz. In province tuition in Quebec where I study: $2,294 CAD/year

    School is cheap here because there are higher provincial taxes on the wealthy and the federal government doesn't waste all its money bombing the fuck out of the entire world like the US where over half your taxes go to the military. Get it together. Your american universities are expensive cause your government is shit.

    Even for international students its only $15,338 CAD to attend university in Quebec. That's about $12k USD. Lolz, no wonder there are so many Americans at McGill and Concordia here. Find me an American uni that cheap and that good in a large cosmopolitan city comparable to Montreal in the all the US. Oh wait, you can't...

    Fuck higher ed in the US!


    Too true.
    If you want free education you join the Army or any other military branch.
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    May 16, 2016 6:22 PM GMT
    Amen to the overabundance of albatross-like "administrators!" The worst of these mucky-mucks are those charged with enforcing campus "outreach," speech codes, and "diversity" programs. The real reason they're employed? To document efforts to be "sensitive" and "inclusive," read, as a legal defense to discrimination complaints and suits. Add to that the plethora of governmental regulations that require instituting and maintaining these sinecures and you've got a lot of money that could be spent on far worthier programs being flushed down the toilet. I've yet to meet one of these academic parasites - their degrees are usually in Education, not a substantive major - who make a positive contribution to anything, let alone a young person's learning experience. Get rid of the lot of them and you've made a big start on improving American higher education and lowering its cost.
  • tj85016

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    May 16, 2016 7:38 PM GMT
    higher education, like "healthcare", has become just another fake and, in many instances worthless, jobs engine
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    May 16, 2016 8:47 PM GMT
    mecduplateau saidlolz. In province tuition in Quebec where I study: $2,294 CAD/year

    School is cheap here because there are higher provincial taxes on the wealthy and the federal government doesn't waste all its money bombing the fuck out of the entire world like the US where over half your taxes go to the military. Get it together. Your american universities are expensive cause your government is shit.

    Even for international students its only $15,338 CAD to attend university in Quebec. That's about $12k USD. Lolz, no wonder there are so many Americans at McGill and Concordia here. Find me an American uni that cheap and that good in a large cosmopolitan city comparable to Montreal in the all the US. Oh wait, you can't...

    Fuck higher ed in the US!


    STAY in Canada...Thank you
  • Fireworkz

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    May 16, 2016 11:52 PM GMT
    mecduplateau saidlolz. In province tuition in Quebec where I study: $2,294 CAD/year

    School is cheap here because there are higher provincial taxes on the wealthy and the federal government doesn't waste all its money bombing the fuck out of the entire world like the US where over half your taxes go to the military. Get it together. Your american universities are expensive cause your government is shit.

    Even for international students its only $15,338 CAD to attend university in Quebec. That's about $12k USD. Lolz, no wonder there are so many Americans at McGill and Concordia here. Find me an American uni that cheap and that good in a large cosmopolitan city comparable to Montreal in the all the US. Oh wait, you can't...

    Fuck higher ed in the US!


    Wow that's cheaper than the UK. Didn't realise Canada was so cheap.
  • Apparition

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    May 17, 2016 2:35 AM GMT
    metta said the total number of administrators grew from 3,800 to 12,183 — a 221 percent increase.


    Um....this is the reason we cannot have nice things.
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    May 17, 2016 12:01 PM GMT
    eliminate student loans and the cost will plummet. The real reason is colleges jack up the price as high as possible on the backs of the students, so the rest of their lives, they pay it back. Students should seek private loans, because they can declare bankruptcy and get a lower rate.
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    May 17, 2016 2:48 PM GMT
    Fireworkz said
    mecduplateau saidlolz. In province tuition in Quebec where I study: $2,294 CAD/year

    School is cheap here because there are higher provincial taxes on the wealthy and the federal government doesn't waste all its money bombing the fuck out of the entire world like the US where over half your taxes go to the military. Get it together. Your american universities are expensive cause your government is shit.

    Even for international students its only $15,338 CAD to attend university in Quebec. That's about $12k USD. Lolz, no wonder there are so many Americans at McGill and Concordia here. Find me an American uni that cheap and that good in a large cosmopolitan city comparable to Montreal in the all the US. Oh wait, you can't...

    Fuck higher ed in the US!


    Wow that's cheaper than the UK. Didn't realise Canada was so cheap.


    they vary by province:


    Tuition Fees for 2016-2017 by Province in Canada ($CAD)

    Ontario $7,539
    New Brunswick $6,324
    Nova Scotia $6,440
    Saskatchewan $6,659
    Alberta $5,730
    Prince Edward Island $5,857
    British Columbia $5,118
    Manitoba $3,887
    Newfoundland & Labrador $2,631
    Quebec $2,743
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 17, 2016 6:08 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidhigher education, like "healthcare", has become just another fake and, in many instances worthless, jobs engine
    Higher education, healthcare, and all levels of American government have too much unneeded, unproductive, bureaucratic deadwood. This is why college and healthcare costs along with all taxes are so damned high. Go figure.