Islam and being gay

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    May 16, 2016 2:58 AM GMT
    Hi all

    I've been contemplating whether or not an encounter I had at a local shisha bar was in fact flirting or some sort of evangelical intervention.

    I'm not Muslim - I'm not Catholic - I'm not religious

    I'm mostly openly gay

    And I was approached by a very attractive Iranian guy at this local shisha bar.

    I know when a guy is flirting but this guy in particular was hard to read. On one hand he seemed very religious and the setting is mostly Arab. He introduced me to the teachings of Islam and how the media tends to portray a false image. I'm open minded so I listened to the Koran and enjoyed the conversation. Then something unexpected happened, he gave me his number.

    The conversation did evolve into discussions of butt sex and how women claim they are still virgins if they don't have vaginal intercourse vs butt sex.

    Personally I don't really care where some women like to stick it, I was more infatuated by his bubble butt.

    Anyways I've abstained from all sexual activity since I've been in India for the past 3 weeks. Last night I decided to txt this guy back to see if he wanted to go for a coffee date when I get back. He's open to it.

    Normally I wouldn't think much of it but I can tell he is proud of his religious beliefs but I'm afraid if if I come out to him I may have exposed myself to unwanted hatred.. Or it could be an exciting fling.

    Should I come out or is he trying to recruit me to Islam?
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    May 16, 2016 3:10 AM GMT
    So what are you afraid of if you told him you're gay? I mean since you're already openly gay. Then I read that you're in India.
    About flirting or not, only you could tell. But maybe he was just being friendly.
    About converting thing, maybe he was talking about Islam because you're white guy in India in Arabic surrounding, so that topic could be interesting to talk about with foreigner. Not necessarily he's trying to convert you.
    But I don't think you have to tell someone you barely met about your sexual orientation. It's up to you.
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    May 16, 2016 3:17 AM GMT
    He wants to throw your ass off a building.
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    May 16, 2016 3:18 AM GMT
    I should clairify

    This encounter at local shisha bar was in Canada where I live

    I'm not white

    My parents are Sikh - Indian origin

    I txt this guy back 3 weeks after he gave me his number

    I've been in India for the past 3 weeks to take my dads ashes to sacred temple

    As much as I have struggled with the idea of having children / getting married

    I've realized and reinforced the belief that I'm probably 90% gay and I can't get married to someone I'm not in love with

    The point of this all is last night I texted this guy back. I know very little of Islam and I'm not sure if I should push further since so far he's been pretty receptive to go out on a "date" when I get back

    I go on man dates with my straight friends all the time so I don't want to insult him by letting him know I want to have sex with him
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    May 16, 2016 10:54 AM GMT
    Religion is a pretty sensitive topic to most; I don't feel that's a good first conversation topic ...

    It's good you are open-minded and was interested in hearing what he had to say.
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    May 16, 2016 2:02 PM GMT
    If he's that into Islam and he's gay chances are he's very conflicted and a basket case, bubble butt notwithstanding.

    Don't accept any invitations for roof-top dining and dancing no matter how romantic it may sound.
  • Fireworkz

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    May 16, 2016 3:00 PM GMT
    Just go on a man date, be open about your sexuality and if he's interested let him come to you.
    Don't chase him, if he likes you, the fact that you are not hitting on him but are open is probably more appealing.

    If he doesn't you can just have a nice educational evening chatting to him. I find that muslims don't generally try to convert you to their religion, I think that's more of a Christian thing.
    Just tell him your background is Sikh and your family wouldn't approve of your conversion or something like that.
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    May 16, 2016 3:33 PM GMT
    Painted saidHi all

    I've been contemplating whether or not an encounter I had at a local shisha bar was in fact flirting or some sort of evangelical intervention.

    I'm not Muslim - I'm not Catholic - I'm not religious

    I'm mostly openly gay

    And I was approached by a very attractive Iranian guy at this local shisha bar.

    I know when a guy is flirting but this guy in particular was hard to read. On one hand he seemed very religious and the setting is mostly Arab. He introduced me to the teachings of Islam and how the media tends to portray a false image. I'm open minded so I listened to the Koran and enjoyed the conversation. Then something unexpected happened, he gave me his number.

    The conversation did evolve into discussions of butt sex and how women claim they are still virgins if they don't have vaginal intercourse vs butt sex.

    Personally I don't really care where some women like to stick it, I was more infatuated by his bubble butt.

    Anyways I've abstained from all sexual activity since I've been in India for the past 3 weeks. Last night I decided to txt this guy back to see if he wanted to go for a coffee date when I get back. He's open to it.

    Normally I wouldn't think much of it but I can tell he is proud of his religious beliefs but I'm afraid if if I come out to him I may have exposed myself to unwanted hatred.. Or it could be an exciting fling.

    Should I come out or is he trying to recruit me to Islam?


    Evangelists want something more valuable than your sexuality, they want a life and soul commitment to their religion.

    Oh, evangelists will flirt with you but not for your sexuality but for your life and beyond.

  • NealJohn

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    May 16, 2016 6:32 PM GMT
    You need to be careful that you're not being set up. Things like this happen all the time there, then the next thing you know you're being thrown from a building, or beaten, or murdered. I know it's hard, no pun intended, but try not to think with your penis. Chances are whatever group this guy is in chose him for this particular role because he is attractive . Better to be paranoid than sorry.
  • bro4bro

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    May 16, 2016 7:37 PM GMT
    There are a lot of gay Iranians here in LA.

    Many of them would probably say they're Muslims, even though they don't live by the code.

    I'd go out for coffee with him if you're interested, and let him know who you are.

    Be aware though, that in Iran only the bottoms are considered "gay", so the tops act extremely macho (think of a cross between Ali G and Jersey Shore), and the bottoms tend to be very feminine.
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    May 16, 2016 10:24 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidThere are a lot of gay Iranians here in LA.

    Many of them would probably say they're Muslims, even though they don't live by the code.

    I'd go out for coffee with him if you're interested, and let him know who you are.

    Be aware though, that in Iran only the bottoms are considered "gay", so the tops act extremely macho (think of a cross between Ali G and Jersey Shore), and the bottoms tend to be very feminine.


    "There are a lot of gay Iranians here in LA."

    In LA they're jews.
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    May 17, 2016 12:12 AM GMT
    NealJohn said You need to be careful that you're not being set up. Things like this happen all the time there, then the next thing you know you're being thrown from a building, or beaten, or murdered. I know it's hard, no pun intended, but try not to think with your penis. Chances are whatever group this guy is in chose him for this particular role because he is attractive . Better to be paranoid than sorry.

    i think that happens a lot in ISIS territory or arab countries where ISIS operates. not canada.
  • ASHDOD

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    May 17, 2016 12:52 AM GMT
    i think he's trying to convert you to islam
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    May 17, 2016 3:18 AM GMT
    I think you should just go hang out with him as a friend and not a date and get to know him first. It is dangerous to come out in countries that are predominantly Islamic.

    I heard that in many Islamic countries, hospitality is such a big virtue, so he may be very friendly to you because of culture and not because he's totally into you.

    Be careful.
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    May 17, 2016 3:23 AM GMT
    It seems pretty obvious to me. He engaged in a discussion of his religion, you appeared to be open minded about it, and he sees a potential convert.

    I think you're letting your physical attraction to him colour your perspective here.
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    May 17, 2016 5:12 AM GMT
    It sounds like your dick would like to subscribe to his bubble butt's newsletter :p

    You can go try to learn more but it could be a colossal waste of time (or worse).




    EDIT: From what I've heard, ISIS might even have you if you play it on the DL...
  • FRE0

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    May 17, 2016 8:12 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said
    Painted saidHi all

    I've been contemplating whether or not an encounter I had at a local shisha bar was in fact flirting or some sort of evangelical intervention.

    I'm not Muslim - I'm not Catholic - I'm not religious

    I'm mostly openly gay

    And I was approached by a very attractive Iranian guy at this local shisha bar.

    I know when a guy is flirting but this guy in particular was hard to read. On one hand he seemed very religious and the setting is mostly Arab. He introduced me to the teachings of Islam and how the media tends to portray a false image. I'm open minded so I listened to the Koran and enjoyed the conversation. Then something unexpected happened, he gave me his number.

    The conversation did evolve into discussions of butt sex and how women claim they are still virgins if they don't have vaginal intercourse vs butt sex.

    Personally I don't really care where some women like to stick it, I was more infatuated by his bubble butt.

    Anyways I've abstained from all sexual activity since I've been in India for the past 3 weeks. Last night I decided to txt this guy back to see if he wanted to go for a coffee date when I get back. He's open to it.

    Normally I wouldn't think much of it but I can tell he is proud of his religious beliefs but I'm afraid if if I come out to him I may have exposed myself to unwanted hatred.. Or it could be an exciting fling.

    Should I come out or is he trying to recruit me to Islam?


    Evangelists want something more valuable than your sexuality, they want a life and soul commitment to their religion.

    Oh, evangelists will flirt with you but not for your sexuality but for your life and beyond.



    Read this link about flirty fishing. It's about evangelists who used sexual encounters as part of their evangelism technique:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirty_Fishing
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    May 17, 2016 8:53 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidRead this link about flirty fishing. It's about evangelists who used sexual encounters as part of their evangelism technique:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirty_Fishing


    I just like that that's called Flirty Fishing icon_biggrin.gif

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREIf masturbation, oral, or penetrative sex ensued, this was termed as "loving sexually"[4] and also counted as a "deep witness", meaning that the "bait" earned more brownie points within the group than by mere flirting. Berg noted that Flirty Fishing did not necessarily entail intercourse, but that this was by far the most efficient method of proselytizing.[5]


    Err... and that! Hahahaha
  • interestingch...

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    May 18, 2016 3:28 AM GMT
    Iranians aren't a problem generally, its the Saudi's that are the problem, Iranian people are very educated open people and lived in harmony with christians, the saudi's do not.
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    May 20, 2016 6:44 PM GMT
    thx for the perspective


    its good to be home, haven't heard back from him yet. leaving town again to see Beyoncé with friends, its an outdoor event apparently and its gonna be raining :-/

    I'm just really relieved to be home, India was awesome however its crazy.

    I did visit Golden Temple

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    I was afraid of something happening to our flight, just because its a politically unstable place (flying over the middle east / Egypt)... really unfortunate to hear what happened to AirEgypt flight