Is it hypocritical to devalue animals for lesser intelligence?

  • gkai

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    May 16, 2016 1:01 PM GMT
    I saw a pimple faced girl with really bad hair who was going on about how it's okay to kill animals for food specifically because they are inferior to humans, whereas killing humans is wrong because "humans have this insane mind full of complexities and potential and awareness". I noticed she made another comment where she criticized people who said mentally disabled people were less valuable than intelligent people, so I pointed out to her that severely mentally disabled people are intellectually stunted, to the point that they can be less intelligent and capable than some animals. She then got back saying, and I quote "Mentally disabled people are different from animals because it's a specific disorder that makes them that way, a chromosome thing. I'm sure if they had regular health, they would be as aware and intelligent as other people, while animals are at the same level of intelligence regardless."

    I can't be the only one who finds this retarded. Does it matter why a person or animal is less intelligent? What difference does it make when the result is the same? You can't judge mentally retarded people by what they "might have been" you have to take people for what they are and, for all intents and purposes, mentally retarded people are inferior, mentally and intellectually speaking. To me that shouldn't decide who it's okay to kill or not kill, it's ridiculous. I pointed this out to her and all she had to say was "Its my opinion". It was at this point I had to leave the conversation because I realized then that it was all about her and wouldn't be reasoned with, and I'd just end up getting verbally abusive.

    I'd like to point out that I actually have a disabled relative just in case anyone thinks I'm meaning to be derogatory toward them, because I'm not. But I feel like if you devalue anyone's worth based on their smarts or cognitive abilities, you lose whatever platform you might have had to criticize other people for doing the same thing in another instance. I'm also not trying to get people to stop eating meat, but I don't see why intelligence has to be a factor. Like people who think it's wrong to eat a pig but not a cow. By the same token it's wrong to kill a person with normal health but not a retarded one.
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    May 16, 2016 1:24 PM GMT
    dont see any real jock in Ted Nugent mode, no one here hunts their own food. Veganism is a healthy alternative, just the word was not yet used in the 1950's childhood most real jocks grew up in.

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    its still illegal to eat the mentally disabled.

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    May 16, 2016 1:59 PM GMT
    We eat animals because they taste good and we value that more than we value their conversation skills. I suspect somewhere in human history we discovered mentally deficient people didn't taste good so we stopped eating them.
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    May 16, 2016 3:05 PM GMT
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  • Destinharbor

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    May 16, 2016 4:29 PM GMT
    It's all just derivative of religious babble. By her thinking if a race more advanced than ours arrived from space, it would be OK for them to eat us. Humans have long put ourselves in the company of gods when if fact we're only slightly differentiated from the animals. As to how we reconcile the meat that we eat, well, we don't. We just eat. There's a growing chorus pointing out that pigs are at least as intelligent as dogs and have a lot of the same attributes. I choose to not think about that.
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    May 16, 2016 5:35 PM GMT
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Sattva
    ...While his disciple is gone, the bodhisattva reflects that while his disciple very well may not find food, his body is just so much flesh as the tradition states), and by giving it up, he can save the tigress' purity and her cubs' lives. He leaps off the cliff to his death, attracting the tigress' attention with his impact, and she eats his body. In this way, he comes closer to perfecting some of the ten Buddhist perfections, those of generosity, renunciation, morality, resolution and equanimity...


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    May 16, 2016 5:59 PM GMT
    Most humans think "he" created the universe and worship "him" to save them from themselves which is pretty dumb in itself as they inhumanely slaughter billions of animals every year. We're all a bunch of animals it's just that man doesn't want to admit it.
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    May 16, 2016 6:05 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidIt's all just derivative of religious babble. By her thinking if a race more advanced than ours arrived from space, it would be OK for them to eat us. Humans have long put ourselves in the company of gods when if fact we're only slightly differentiated from the animals. As to how we reconcile the meat that we eat, well, we don't. We just eat. There's a growing chorus pointing out that pigs are at least as intelligent as dogs and have a lot of the same attributes. I choose to not think about that.


    Only slightly differentiated? I beg to differ. No other animal has
    manipulated his environment to the extent man has. When an animal creates a symphony, paints a Mona Lisa, sculpts a David, writes a Don Quiote, formulates a philosophy, etc. I may agree with you.

    As far as reconciling meat eating: We are like our animal friends in that we are part of the food chain. Do you think a lion agonizes over whether the gazelle he just killed was smart, had a family, was intellectually superior than himself. Likewise, if lost in the Serengetti, a lion would eat you just the same with no qualms.
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    May 16, 2016 9:28 PM GMT
    BP201 saidMost humans think "he" created the universe and worship "him" to save them from themselves which is pretty dumb in itself as they inhumanely slaughter billions of animals every year. We're all a bunch of animals it's just that man doesn't want to admit it.

    My ancestors didn't claw their way to the top of the food chain so that I could subsist on vegetables.
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    May 16, 2016 11:52 PM GMT
    gkai saidI saw a pimple faced girl with really bad hair who was going on about how it's okay to kill animals for food specifically because they are inferior to humans, whereas killing humans is wrong because "humans have this insane mind full of complexities and potential and awareness". I noticed she made another comment where she criticized people who said mentally disabled people were less valuable than intelligent people, so I pointed out to her that severely mentally disabled people are intellectually stunted, to the point that they can be less intelligent and capable than some animals. She then got back saying, and I quote "Mentally disabled people are different from animals because it's a specific disorder that makes them that way, a chromosome thing. I'm sure if they had regular health, they would be as aware and intelligent as other people, while animals are at the same level of intelligence regardless."

    I can't be the only one who finds this retarded. Does it matter why a person or animal is less intelligent? What difference does it make when the result is the same? You can't judge mentally retarded people by what they "might have been" you have to take people for what they are and, for all intents and purposes, mentally retarded people are inferior, mentally and intellectually speaking. To me that shouldn't decide who it's okay to kill or not kill, it's ridiculous. I pointed this out to her and all she had to say was "Its my opinion". It was at this point I had to leave the conversation because I realized then that it was all about her and wouldn't be reasoned with, and I'd just end up getting verbally abusive.

    I'd like to point out that I actually have a disabled relative just in case anyone thinks I'm meaning to be derogatory toward them, because I'm not. But I feel like if you devalue anyone's worth based on their smarts or cognitive abilities, you lose whatever platform you might have had to criticize other people for doing the same thing in another instance. I'm also not trying to get people to stop eating meat, but I don't see why intelligence has to be a factor. Like people who think it's wrong to eat a pig but not a cow. By the same token it's wrong to kill a person with normal health but not a retarded one.




    Peter Singer, a philosophy professor at Princeton, has actually talked about this and has some of his stances have caused a bit of controversy. I am not sure if Princeton still does but for a while they had to have guards posted at outside his classrooms. So, if you are looking for some in depth reading on the subject you might want to look into what he has to say.


  • Wendigo9

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    May 17, 2016 12:31 AM GMT
    Man thought of the food chain, where animals with bigger (or smarter) brains with devour the small. If carnivores runs out of smaller animals to eat, maybe username:"Allen" will be next, chop suyi anyone? lol : P
  • gkai

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    May 23, 2016 10:35 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidIt's all just derivative of religious babble. By her thinking if a race more advanced than ours arrived from space, it would be OK for them to eat us. Humans have long put ourselves in the company of gods when if fact we're only slightly differentiated from the animals. As to how we reconcile the meat that we eat, well, we don't. We just eat. There's a growing chorus pointing out that pigs are at least as intelligent as dogs and have a lot of the same attributes. I choose to not think about that.


    She wasn't religious though, she said it herself. She was a cunt though.
  • gkai

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    May 24, 2016 12:10 AM GMT
    Cliche_Guevara said
    gkai saidI saw a pimple faced girl with really bad hair who was going on about how it's okay to kill animals for food specifically because they are inferior to humans, whereas killing humans is wrong because "humans have this insane mind full of complexities and potential and awareness". I noticed she made another comment where she criticized people who said mentally disabled people were less valuable than intelligent people, so I pointed out to her that severely mentally disabled people are intellectually stunted, to the point that they can be less intelligent and capable than some animals. She then got back saying, and I quote "Mentally disabled people are different from animals because it's a specific disorder that makes them that way, a chromosome thing. I'm sure if they had regular health, they would be as aware and intelligent as other people, while animals are at the same level of intelligence regardless."

    I can't be the only one who finds this retarded. Does it matter why a person or animal is less intelligent? What difference does it make when the result is the same? You can't judge mentally retarded people by what they "might have been" you have to take people for what they are and, for all intents and purposes, mentally retarded people are inferior, mentally and intellectually speaking. To me that shouldn't decide who it's okay to kill or not kill, it's ridiculous. I pointed this out to her and all she had to say was "Its my opinion". It was at this point I had to leave the conversation because I realized then that it was all about her and wouldn't be reasoned with, and I'd just end up getting verbally abusive.

    I'd like to point out that I actually have a disabled relative just in case anyone thinks I'm meaning to be derogatory toward them, because I'm not. But I feel like if you devalue anyone's worth based on their smarts or cognitive abilities, you lose whatever platform you might have had to criticize other people for doing the same thing in another instance. I'm also not trying to get people to stop eating meat, but I don't see why intelligence has to be a factor. Like people who think it's wrong to eat a pig but not a cow. By the same token it's wrong to kill a person with normal health but not a retarded one.




    Peter Singer, a philosophy professor at Princeton, has actually talked about this and has some of his stances have caused a bit of controversy. I am not sure if Princeton still does but for a while they had to have guards posted at outside his classrooms. So, if you are looking for some in depth reading on the subject you might want to look into what he has to say.




    I know about him and although I agree with his sentiment regarding animals, I don't agree with infanticide. Sorry :-)
  • Apparition

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    May 24, 2016 3:19 AM GMT


    guess chimps get to eat us
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    May 24, 2016 3:24 AM GMT
    Intelligence does not increase or decrease an animal's ability to feel pain or suffering. A retarded persons feels just as much pain as the rest of us....and most likely suffers from it even more because they are not capable of understanding why they're in pain. Animals are the same way. This is why I've never understood this argument.
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    May 24, 2016 4:01 AM GMT
    Apparition said

    guess chimps get to eat us


    Don't you remember the story of the chimp that ate that woman's face? They are far more powerful than humans who don't stand a chance in a one on one with a chimp. Problem for the chimp is man has developed firearms that can deliver tranquilizers or death.

    There are many animals and even some plants man doesn't stand a chance against if not for his superior intelligence. We didn't arrive at the top of the food chain being stupid. Well, except for the woman who got her face eaten.
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    May 24, 2016 4:22 AM GMT
    Radd saidIntelligence does not increase or decrease an animal's ability to feel pain or suffering. A retarded persons feels just as much pain as the rest of us....and most likely suffers from it even more because they are not capable of understanding why they're in pain. Animals are the same way. This is why I've never understood this argument.


    But there's something lacking in animals (other than man) that makes them unable to appreciate the pain we feel when they maul us to death.
  • gkai

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    May 24, 2016 5:04 AM GMT
    Not4u said
    Radd saidIntelligence does not increase or decrease an animal's ability to feel pain or suffering. A retarded persons feels just as much pain as the rest of us....and most likely suffers from it even more because they are not capable of understanding why they're in pain. Animals are the same way. This is why I've never understood this argument.


    But there's something lacking in animals (other than man) that makes them unable to appreciate the pain we feel when they maul us to death.


    Humans kill animals more than vice versa.
  • gkai

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    May 24, 2016 5:07 AM GMT
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    BP201 saidMost humans think "he" created the universe and worship "him" to save them from themselves which is pretty dumb in itself as they inhumanely slaughter billions of animals every year. We're all a bunch of animals it's just that man doesn't want to admit it.

    My ancestors didn't claw their way to the top of the food chain so that I could subsist on vegetables.


    But that still doesn't change the fact that devaluing animals because they are less advanced by default applies to humans too, like mentally disabled people.
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    May 24, 2016 5:09 AM GMT
    ^^because of our superior intellect. I do not know of a single instance of another species domesticating man for use as food.

    ^It's because we DO value animal protein so highly is why we kill animals for food. Also, there isn't enough supply of mentally disabled people to make them a viable food source. Also we have a natural aversion to canibalism.
  • gkai

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    May 24, 2016 11:30 PM GMT
    Not4u said^^because of our superior intellect. I do not know of a single instance of another species domesticating man for use as food.

    ^It's because we DO value animal protein so highly is why we kill animals for food. Also, there isn't enough supply of mentally disabled people to make them a viable food source. Also we have a natural aversion to canibalism.


    You don't need meat to survive though. And I never said anything about eating mentally disabled people, but it makes no sense to place value on them, but look down on animals right to live their lives. Some animals are more intelligent than certain retarded people, not that it matters to me because I don't devalue anyone based on intelligence, but it contradicts the reasons people give for putting animals on a lower level. Most people are not brilliant and won't do anything innovative in their lives.
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    May 25, 2016 12:32 AM GMT
    I look at it this way.... If you're in the jungle that pretty tiger or camouflaged alligator isn't going to think twice about protecting itself and attacking/eating a human, so why should the human think twice to protect themselves?

    This is a "Dog eat dog world", literally and figuratively unfortunately and I'm not sure where intelligence fits into that scenario.


    If people want to be vegans and vegetarians, that's great for them. If people don't want to be vegans and vegetarians, that's also great for them.

    People in general need to stop judging and trying to control other peoples life choices and decisions (I'm talking legal choices; such as to eat meat or not eat meat for example).
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    May 25, 2016 1:24 AM GMT
    gkai said
    Not4u said^^because of our superior intellect. I do not know of a single instance of another species domesticating man for use as food.

    ^It's because we DO value animal protein so highly is why we kill animals for food. Also, there isn't enough supply of mentally disabled people to make them a viable food source. Also we have a natural aversion to canibalism.


    You don't need meat to survive though. And I never said anything about eating mentally disabled people, but it makes no sense to place value on them, but look down on animals right to live their lives. Some animals are more intelligent than certain retarded people, not that it matters to me because I don't devalue anyone based on intelligence, but it contradicts the reasons people give for putting animals on a lower level. Most people are not brilliant and won't do anything innovative in their lives.


    All animals are definitely not brilliant and don't do anything innovative in their lives either. We might as well eat them.

    Most people want to do more than just survive. Most people want to enjoy life: good friends, good health, good drink, good food...

    We need very little to survive (if that's the life you want) - a blanket to cover ourselves, a hut made of mud and sticks, water to drink, whatever we can forage and grow ourselves. Most people want more from life than just surviving.

    Edit: I just reread your post and realize where your confusion lies. You believe living things have a "right to life." No living thing has a right to life. Any life can be snuffed out for any reason at anytime - famine, disease, thirst, floods, earthquakes, fire, senseless violence, violence that makes sense such as being a part of the food chain, etc.

    You, I, and most guys on this site have grown up getting our food nicely butchered and packaged for us. Most of us have never lived on a farm or had to hunt for our food. We've grown up on Disney movies believing animals are no different from us; however, the truth is we are no different than animals in that we are just as much a part of the food chain as they are.
  • gkai

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    May 25, 2016 1:46 AM GMT
    Not4u said
    gkai said
    Not4u said^^because of our superior intellect. I do not know of a single instance of another species domesticating man for use as food.

    ^It's because we DO value animal protein so highly is why we kill animals for food. Also, there isn't enough supply of mentally disabled people to make them a viable food source. Also we have a natural aversion to canibalism.


    You don't need meat to survive though. And I never said anything about eating mentally disabled people, but it makes no sense to place value on them, but look down on animals right to live their lives. Some animals are more intelligent than certain retarded people, not that it matters to me because I don't devalue anyone based on intelligence, but it contradicts the reasons people give for putting animals on a lower level. Most people are not brilliant and won't do anything innovative in their lives.



    All animals are definitely not brilliant and don't do anything innovative in their lives either. We might as well eat them.

    Most people want to do more than just survive. Most people want to enjoy life: good friends, good health, good drink, good food...

    We need very little to survive (if that's the life you want) - a blanket to cover ourselves, a hut made of mud and sticks, water to drink, whatever we can forage and grow ourselves. Most people want more from life than just surviving.

    Edit: I just reread your post and realize where your confusion lies. You believe living things have a "right to life." No living thing has a right to life. Any life can be snuffed out for any reason at anytime - famine, disease, thirst, floods, earthquakes, fire, senseless violence, violence that makes sense such as being a part of the food chain, etc.

    You, I, and most guys on this site have grown up getting our food nicely butchered and packaged for us. Most of us have never lived on a farm or had to hunt for our food. We've grown up on Disney movies believing animals are no different from us; however, the truth is we are no different than animals in that we are just as much a part of the food chain as they are.


    I never said anyone has a right to life. None of this answers why people should hold retarded people in higher regard than animals. Also not all animals get eaten anyway. If a pig can be more intelligent than a human, what justification is there to consider them less important, when there are many humans who will never be of normal health.
  • JackNNJ

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    May 25, 2016 1:52 AM GMT
    Answer to the question in the post. NO.

    The rest was incoherent nonsense.

    [SIDEBAR: Animals do not and cannot have rights.]