The Ridiculously long airport security lines

  • ChicagoSteve

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    May 16, 2016 10:59 PM GMT
    I've only flown twice this year, once in January and again in February. Even then, the security lines were insane, much longer than I've ever seen. Now, the TSA is finally adding screeners, admitting there is a problem. Do ya think? Just stupid! I think it's time for private screening companies to take over this function. I'm probably going to splurge to get the TSA pre-check status. It's worth it!


  • Fireworkz

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    May 16, 2016 11:11 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidI've only flown twice this year, once in January and again in February. Even then, the security lines were insane, much longer than I've ever seen. Now, the TSA is finally adding screeners, admitting there is a problem. Do ya think? Just stupid! I think it's time for private screening companies to take over this function. I'm probably going to splurge to get the TSA pre-check status. It's worth it!




    I actually hate going to the US for this reason.
    There was a time where I avoided going to the US for a few years as I remember how rude and harrowing the airport experience was. I had to change flights and it took 2 hours to get off collect your luggage and check it back in again.

    Now I usually avoid checking in baggage and make sure I get a direct flight.

    Surely it is just easier to hire more staff. Travel and Tourism is big business. Why put off would be travellers.
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    May 17, 2016 4:02 AM GMT
    I haven't flown now since 2006 and barring an emergency never will again. Not unless I win a lotto and can have a private jet come pick me up at our tiny airport and take me wherever I want to go.
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    May 17, 2016 10:34 AM GMT
    I purchased the "TSA Pre-Check" and haven't waited any longer than 10 minutes, including Thanksgiving and Christmas.
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    May 17, 2016 12:12 PM GMT
    woodfordr saidI purchased the "TSA Pre-Check" and haven't waited any longer than 10 minutes, including Thanksgiving and Christmas.

    We did this in April, when we flew to Boston-Logan from Fort Lauderdale and back. Stated right on our boarding passes (that I printed at home, and again at our hotel for the return, no need to even check-in at a ticket counter or kiosk). We basically just walked through security, there was no wait at all. It was the fastest I've cleared a TSA checkpoint since they were established after 9/11.

    Or perhaps I should say we "wheeled" through. I had arranged for an airport wheelchair for my husband, with a uniformed pusher who knew the way and the routine. My husband can walk, but not long distances on hard floors with his recent foot problems. And I accompanied him with my own cane.

    I guess the disabled elderly are lower on the TSA terrorist profile, helping us clear even faster. Don't let anyone tell you they don't use a screening profile, they'd be nuts if they didn't. In the past I was snared in it myself.
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    May 17, 2016 2:14 PM GMT
    TSA pre-check helps but the pre-check lines are also frequently long, especially at major airports. Is it worth $85 and an hour of your time? Sure, anything to alleviate the aggravation.
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    May 17, 2016 2:43 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidTSA pre-check helps but the pre-check lines are also frequently long, especially at major airports. Is it worth $85 and an hour of your time? Sure, anything to alleviate the aggravation.

    Well, our pre-check procedure was straight through, and at Logan in Boston, one of the busiest. I have no idea what the cost for the 2 of us was, I rarely check my bill for those kinds of things. But I don't recall being told it'd be as high as $85 each.
  • Destinharbor

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    May 17, 2016 3:46 PM GMT
    The problem is the TSA thought a lot of people would opt for the Pre-check and staffed down in that expectation. They're staffing back up and looking at ways to make the pre-check cost and procedure more attractive. Understandable mistake. Being fixed.
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    May 17, 2016 4:35 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidThe problem is the TSA thought a lot of people would opt for the Pre-check and staffed down in that expectation. They're staffing back up and looking at ways to make the pre-check cost and procedure more attractive. Understandable mistake. Being fixed.


    ^^^^ THIS ^^^^

    Classic case of counting chickens before hatching. I enroled in Global Entry when it got introduced, which comes with free TSA PreCheck for this reason. You think these lines are long... Try the passport control lines coming back to the US from internationally. 2 1/2 hours waiting to clear immigration. Global Entry allows for a 35 second entry into the US. icon_smile.gif

    With that being said, I always walk past the 200+ persons in the TSA lines when flying out of Houston's Bush airport, persons without PreCheck. It's always the same story... 200+ people, one lane open, three screeners, and of course, God forbid someone has someone forbidden in a carryon.

    My parents always got the PreCheck as part of TSA's "Pilot" programme. I think TSA went about it the wrong way, since it was a randomly selected privilege, and down staffing their facilities in thinking that more people would be on board. The problem is that people whom travel once a year can't justify spending $85 for such a privilege.

    Now if you travel internationally, instead of paying $85 for PreCheck alone, add another $15 ($100) and get the Global Entry, which comes with free PreCheck... If in Canada, NEXUS is the same programme, and only costs $50. US Citizens and residents can get NEXUS for the $50 as well, and it comes with the PreCheck for US too, but you have to fly to Canada for the interview. With having both, I'm going to let the Global expire and keep the NEXUS.

    Cheers,

    Sean
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    May 17, 2016 4:39 PM GMT
    Is it $85 every year? Do you have to reapply every year?
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    May 17, 2016 4:46 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidIs it $85 every year? Do you have to reapply every year?


    It's good for five years.
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    May 17, 2016 4:47 PM GMT
    All three are valid for 5 years.

    Cheers,

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    May 17, 2016 5:28 PM GMT
    It certainly beats being blown out of the sky at 30,000ft. Besides, much of the fault lies with travelers who fail to prepare themselves and their baggage properly for the checks.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 17, 2016 5:50 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt certainly beats being blown out of the sky at 30,000ft. Besides, much of the fault lies with travelers who fail to prepare themselves and their baggage properly for the checks.
    Finally, something you and I can agree on. It is better to be safe than to be sorry. We just need to hire more security staff at all our nation's airports and than these lines wouldn't be so damned long.
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    May 17, 2016 6:11 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Fireworkz said[/cite]... Travel and Tourism is big business. Why put off would be travelers./quote]

    US airports just dont care. The local Denver DIA airport treats international travelers like shit.
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    May 17, 2016 7:17 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt certainly beats being blown out of the sky at 30,000ft. Besides, much of the fault lies with travelers who fail to prepare themselves and their baggage properly for the checks.

    I think there's plenty of blame to go around. And I agree, when I'm flying 560 mph at 35,000 feet I want the security checks to have been perfect.

    But what's especially infuriating is that not only is the TSA inefficient, and rude (as I've personally experienced), they actually fail to detect many threats. As their own system tests have proven.

    So we get both slow AND sloppy. What a deal! icon_razz.gif
  • FRE0

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    May 17, 2016 7:49 PM GMT
    Last year I flew for the first time in many years. The reason it had been many years is that flying has become so unpleasant, mainly because of having to wait in queues at airports. Until the situation is corrected I may choose not to fly again.

    According to media reports, people are now advised to arrive at airports three hours before flight time! I do not want to stand in queues for hours. There is no excuse for such inefficiency. Having to pay to avoid that is extortion.

    Another galling problem is how luggage is inspected. They could at least set up the procedure so that we could carefully watch as they inspect our luggage; that would help prevent theft.
  • ChicagoSteve

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    May 17, 2016 9:36 PM GMT
    The next time that I am likely to fly is either this summer or fall to visit my brother. He is in Columbus, Ohio. The flight time from Chicago is only 50 minutes. The thought of standing in a security line that takes 2 or three times longer to get through than the actual flight is exasperating. I think the long term answer is taking the security check function away from the government and giving it to private contractors, who can then add additional staffing much easier if it is warranted.
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    May 17, 2016 9:55 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidI've only flown twice this year, once in January and again in February. Even then, the security lines were insane, much longer than I've ever seen. Now, the TSA is finally adding screeners, admitting there is a problem. Do ya think? Just stupid! I think it's time for private screening companies to take over this function. I'm probably going to splurge to get the TSA pre-check status. It's worth it!



    Don't hate me for this but they always wave me straight through without standing in line. I have no idea why but it's fine by me!
  • ChicagoSteve

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    May 17, 2016 10:07 PM GMT
    Radd said
    ChicagoSteve saidI've only flown twice this year, once in January and again in February. Even then, the security lines were insane, much longer than I've ever seen. Now, the TSA is finally adding screeners, admitting there is a problem. Do ya think? Just stupid! I think it's time for private screening companies to take over this function. I'm probably going to splurge to get the TSA pre-check status. It's worth it!



    Don't hate me for this but they always wave me straight through without standing in line. I have no idea why but it's fine by me!


    And you are not TSA pre-checked? OK Radd, you must know the right people, or have a very trustworthy look!
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    May 17, 2016 10:14 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said
    Radd said
    ChicagoSteve saidI've only flown twice this year, once in January and again in February. Even then, the security lines were insane, much longer than I've ever seen. Now, the TSA is finally adding screeners, admitting there is a problem. Do ya think? Just stupid! I think it's time for private screening companies to take over this function. I'm probably going to splurge to get the TSA pre-check status. It's worth it!



    Don't hate me for this but they always wave me straight through without standing in line. I have no idea why but it's fine by me!


    And you are not TSA pre-checked? OK Radd, you must know the right people, or have a very trustworthy look!



    That's the thing; my buddy I normally fly with is a doctor. Clean shaven and looks the part of a doctor. I have a shaved head and a big bushy beard you might expect to see on a terrorist and yet I'm the one they motion to come through. Haha
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    May 18, 2016 12:27 AM GMT
    People really should book private planes. My family has 2 planes. (Albeit not jets, but relatively young, 2012, Beechcraft twin turbo Kings)
    One for personal/company use, and the other we have for charters.

    The rates you can book for private planes are, yes, a bit more pricey. (But not as high as you would think.) It's absolutely better than having to deal and wait with the masses. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Look into it, you might be very surprised. icon_eek.gificon_cool.gif
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    May 18, 2016 1:26 AM GMT
    Thank you guys for all the information in this thread. I just applied for Global Entry. The process was online, straightforward and not complicated. Let's hope it goes through
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    May 18, 2016 1:29 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt certainly beats being blown out of the sky at 30,000ft. Besides, much of the fault lies with travelers who fail to prepare themselves and their baggage properly for the checks.



    Thank you! You're very much correct!

    I have a relative who works in TSA, and he tells me how they are constantly reminding people "Take everything out of your pockets," "Put items in separate bins," etc. The passengers get up to TSA security checkpoint, with items still in their pockets, all items in one bin and not listening to the TSA rules. They hold up the line by not paying attention and doing what they are supposed to, then they blame TSA for making them wait, hypocritical really.
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    May 18, 2016 4:26 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt certainly beats being blown out of the sky at 30,000ft. Besides, much of the fault lies with travelers who fail to prepare themselves and their baggage properly for the checks.


    icon_rolleyes.gif It's all just for show. Those retards couldn't detect a big Wile E. Coyote bomb with a huge label that says "bomb." And regularly fail to do so in tests.

    It would be just as effective to have the sheep walk through a big plywood tunnel with flashing lights and sci-fi sound effects. But much more efficient.