Roulette sex party - who will get to have sex with secretly HIV+ guy?

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    May 17, 2016 12:04 AM GMT
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3593381/Sex-roulette-parties-one-person-secretly-HIV-allowed-use-condoms-rise-warn-doctors.html

    WTF!!! icon_eek.gif
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    I can at lest try to understand if they use condoms and have safe sex.
    Some people have no respect for their health anymore. Careless!
    I hope for them that the thrills and those bare cocks are worth it.
  • bradsmith

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    May 17, 2016 10:52 AM GMT
    Wanna know how many guys want to have sex with me specifically because I'm positive? There appears to be a subculture who has a fetish for HIV. Frankly, I find it a bit difficult to understand. But, I've also learned after being positive for 38 years, there's always something new around the corner.

  • May 17, 2016 4:36 PM GMT
    Hot, hot, hot! When and where is all I wanna know. Let's reserve judgments here, guys. Live and let live.
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    May 17, 2016 4:42 PM GMT
    nothing that i wyld engage in personally not judgng just nit fur me
  • joeisawesome1

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    May 17, 2016 7:00 PM GMT
    after hearing stories like this im glad im just a Pillow Prince...
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    May 17, 2016 7:52 PM GMT
    I am judging. This is one of the dumbest things one could ever do!! icon_rolleyes.gif
  • tampaguy75

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    May 17, 2016 10:30 PM GMT
    I'm totally cool with it if the persons engaging in such activities can afford their HIV medications without government help if they do become infected, and if they pre-inform any future partners of their status before engaging in risky behavior.

    The lifetime cost of HIV medications are estimated to be just shy of $400,000.

    If getting your rocks off to an "extra intense" orgasm is worth $400,000, go for it!

    Otherwise, understand that it's not just about you. It's about others who have to help pay for the cost of such medications. Also, it's about respecting your fellow man and agreeing that intentionally or carelessly spreading a disease is not in the best interest of any of us.

  • Whipmagic

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    May 19, 2016 12:29 AM GMT
    It's nothing new, sadly. Twenty years ago I dated a guy in the LA area, and one day he invited me to a party his ex was hosting: bareback in the dark, with a few poz guys. He thought it was exciting. Needless to say, that was the end of it for me.
  • Svnw688

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    May 19, 2016 12:30 PM GMT
    The newest iteration of First World Privilege, where raped black women in Africa die without access to a single antiretroviral pill, but misguided Americans with the world at their fingertip, and a safety net if they can't afford it, can choose to play Russian roulette with a costly medical condition.

    Fun times. Who's up next for a rousing game of laugh at the homeless man begging for food on the street corner as we drive to Starbucks...no Panera...definitely Panera?

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    May 19, 2016 2:11 PM GMT
    It's pretty sad when gay culture is so abhorrent, that you yourself have to remember that it's the choices homosexuals make that make them disgusting, and not the nature of being homosexual. The majority of a lot homophobia stems from people thinking that these acts are just natural to being a homosexual man.

    App culture is getting worse and worse, and I continually see more perverted sexual fetishes being headlined in peoples' profiles. There is no such thing as a healthy sexual niche: they all stem from unresolved trauma, and our culture's way of facing trauma is having bb parties and spreading disease to man. I really don't have that much respect for most gay people anymore.

    Toronto Pride is in a little over a month; I encourage everyone interested to go, though I sure as hell will not be there. I can honestly say I am not proud of gay people as a whole. I like myself and have zero shame, but I don't want to be associated with the culture at all.
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    May 19, 2016 3:29 PM GMT
    So PrEP is officially a party drug?
  • jeep334

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    May 19, 2016 3:49 PM GMT
    TO23 has made valid points. At such a young age, he will carry this disdain for a long time and it will affect many other aspects of his life as well as the lives he touches. While a sad commentary in itself, it is all understandable and justifiable.

    I understand thrill and danger. I remember as a kid, I was scared to ride an amusement park ride called the Divebomber. Somehow though I got the strength to do it one summer at the county fair and I rode it over and over. Couldn't get enough. I dragged every friend I could to try it with me. The next summer, I was then a little older and the thrill wasn't there anymore. I think that is what the excitement of a roulette party is all about. You don't know the thrill and the chance to find out what will happen until you experience it. Although, unlike the Divebomber ride, a one time stint at a roulette sex party could bring about untold disaster.

    What I don't get is why do it at all. The Divebomber is almost guaranteed to bring you back safely. The roulette party carries no such guarantee. Do you think you're that invincible? No one is. If you're playing the odds, don't. Odds is simply a mathematical equation. Casinos are proof of this. Did you ever see the film, "The Deer Hunter" and experience the watching of a game of Russian Roulette? Same thing. The thrill of it all. The winning of money or whatever else your playing for (in the case of the sex party it's simply an opportunity to cum again. And you know, with the male in particular, it's all about cumming, Once that happens, it's over and quickly forgotten. So much risk for something so transitory. Perhaps it's a result of our heritage which sadly carries a lot of baggage.

    My hope is that the youth of today will be greater human beings because they will, in part, have a far less cluttered-with-guilt lifestyle so that they will be able to be productive, life supporting people.

    The self esteem of these folks has got to be on the floor. All they need to do is somehow bend over and pick it up. And I also get that attempting to succeed at that is unbelievably difficult.
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    May 19, 2016 9:55 PM GMT
    The Daily Mail is a fucking UK TABLOID!

    "The paper has been criticised by doctors and scientists for its sensationalist reporting on medical subjects,[14] by at least one of its former journalists as racist,[15] and as racist by several other newspapers with respect to its coverage of the European refugee crisis."

    One person is "SECRETLY HIV+"? Is he secretly Undetectable also? "He added that some of the parties are known as 'blue' parties because attendees take anti-viral medication to cut the risk of transmitting the virus."

    So you have people on PrEP attending an orgy, that doesn't equate to Russian Roulette.


    "There is everything: sex roulette parties, or sex parties you can only attend if you already have HIV,' he told the outlet."

    So an orgy only has POZ or undetectable people in it. That's called serosorting.

    What's really dumb is having an HIV- orgy where you have to trust EVERYONE there to be Negative. I guarantee ONE of them would be POZ since his last test last year. Now that one is SECRETLY HIV+!


    British tabloid hyperbole as usual.

    Orgies and circuit parties are dumb. STDs are rampant, too many drugs, too much booze.
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    May 20, 2016 2:07 AM GMT
    Some people need to be screened for psychological instability prior to becoming sexually active.

    I'm not surprised, I've known about this as long as I have been interested in sex. I just haven't had an opportunity to discuss how I feel about it openly.

    Considering the damage HIV has done globally, to engage in something like this you are by no way, shape, or form, a normal functioning human being. No matter what you tell yourself.
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    May 20, 2016 2:50 AM GMT
    Razvigor saidSome people need to be screened for psychological instability prior to becoming sexually active.

    I'm not surprised, I've known about this as long as I have been interested in sex. I just haven't had an opportunity to discuss how I feel about it openly.

    Considering the damage HIV has done globally, to engage in something like this you are by no way, shape, or form, a normal functioning human being. No matter what you tell yourself.


    Too much sanctimonious BS. If one is Negative and on PrEP and the other is POZ and undetectable there is virtually no chance of HIV transmission. If you think the "virtually" part is too risky then consider a monastery...or a lesbian convent.

    There has been 1 reported case of HIV while on PrEP (among 10s of thounsands of sexual acts) , 0 on ART while clinically undetectable, even without PrEP partners.

    Just to be clear, I would NEVER EVER have sex with someone who is as illinformed as you. I've met bug chasers who were smarter.
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    May 22, 2016 1:28 AM GMT
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    Razvigor saidSome people need to be screened for psychological instability prior to becoming sexually active.

    I'm not surprised, I've known about this as long as I have been interested in sex. I just haven't had an opportunity to discuss how I feel about it openly.

    Considering the damage HIV has done globally, to engage in something like this you are by no way, shape, or form, a normal functioning human being. No matter what you tell yourself.


    Too much sanctimonious BS. If one is Negative and on PrEP and the other is POZ and undetectable there is virtually no chance of HIV transmission. If you think the "virtually" part is too risky then consider a monastery...or a lesbian convent.

    There has been 1 reported case of HIV while on PrEP (among 10s of thounsands of sexual acts) , 0 on ART while clinically undetectable, even without PrEP partners.

    Just to be clear, I would NEVER EVER have sex with someone who is as illinformed as you. I've met bug chasers who were smarter.


    Considering you meet with people you know are "bug chasers" I'm not surprised of this sad relativization of the situation on your part. I don't think you fall any further from that bug chaser tree either, otherwise why jump to attack me?

    Ill-informed? I think if people like the ones we talk about were "better-informed", HIV wouldn't have gone as far within the gay community as it did. So save your justificatory bullshit for your 5 minute brainstorm before bedtime. I'm not the one in need of convincing, you are.

    Believe me, on the part of having sex, that feeling is extremely mutual. I prefer sane people.
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    May 22, 2016 2:55 PM GMT
    jeffreypedal saidnothing that i wyld engage in personally not judgng just nit fur me

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    May 22, 2016 8:17 PM GMT
    Razvigor said
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    Razvigor saidSome people need to be screened for psychological instability prior to becoming sexually active.

    I'm not surprised, I've known about this as long as I have been interested in sex. I just haven't had an opportunity to discuss how I feel about it openly.

    Considering the damage HIV has done globally, to engage in something like this you are by no way, shape, or form, a normal functioning human being. No matter what you tell yourself.


    Too much sanctimonious BS. If one is Negative and on PrEP and the other is POZ and undetectable there is virtually no chance of HIV transmission. If you think the "virtually" part is too risky then consider a monastery...or a lesbian convent.

    There has been 1 reported case of HIV while on PrEP (among 10s of thounsands of sexual acts) , 0 on ART while clinically undetectable, even without PrEP partners.

    Just to be clear, I would NEVER EVER have sex with someone who is as illinformed as you. I've met bug chasers who were smarter.


    Considering you meet with people you know are "bug chasers" I'm not surprised of this sad relativization of the situation on your part. I don't think you fall any further from that bug chaser tree either, otherwise why jump to attack me?

    Ill-informed? I think if people like the ones we talk about were "better-informed", HIV wouldn't have gone as far within the gay community as it did. So save your justificatory bullshit for your 5 minute brainstorm before bedtime. I'm not the one in need of convincing, you are.

    Believe me, on the part of having sex, that feeling is extremely mutual. I prefer sane people.


    I met a bug chaser online. He had contacted ME because I am POZ, but was too stupid to know what Undetectable was. He, like you, are unaware of what UDVL is apparently.

    You said "Some people need to be screened for psychological instability prior to becoming sexually active." Then "to engage in something like this you are by no way, shape, or form, a normal functioning human being." I'm not sure what "like this" is. If you mean the phony article where a HIV+ man is "secretly" invited to a sex party to possibly infect others....it is pernicious. The tacit implication is the HIV is the boogie man, trying to secretly infect people like us.

    But I am not us anymore, by your estimation. I am "them" by your divisive narrative. All HIV people should be "screened" for instability? We are thus no longer "human"?...that's some scary rhetoric. Especially in this age of TasP where the people who are POZ and undetectable are eliminating HIV.

    It's called "GETTING TO ZERO", maybe you've heard about it?

    "2. There is wide scientific consensus that immediate use of HAART following HIV infection prevents disease progression to AIDS and premature death and, secondarily, (TasP) virtually abolishes the chances of forward transmission of the virus;"
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dr-julio-montaner/world-aids-day_b_8594620.html

    Maybe you disdain sex parties. I don't go to them. But as far as I know it's not illegal. the Playboy Club has been doing them for decades. And quite frankly the idea of "screening" Gays for mental deficiency is a dangerous proposal, Negative OR Positive. 60 years ago we all would have been locked up.
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    May 22, 2016 8:56 PM GMT
    tampaguy75 saidI'm totally cool with it if the persons engaging in such activities can afford their HIV medications without government help if they do become infected, and if they pre-inform any future partners of their status before engaging in risky behavior.

    The lifetime cost of HIV medications are estimated to be just shy of $400,000.

    If getting your rocks off to an "extra intense" orgasm is worth $400,000, go for it!

    Otherwise, understand that it's not just about you. It's about others who have to help pay for the cost of such medications. Also, it's about respecting your fellow man and agreeing that intentionally or carelessly spreading a disease is not in the best interest of any of us.



    Nonsense. Treatment and PREVENTION is more cost effective than dying.

    This is from NY alone: "ETE MEDICAID SAVINGS
    $1.43 billion from improved health for people with HIV:

    $2.41 billion from prevented primary HIV infections:

    $2.34 billion from prevented secondary HIV infections:

    After 30 years, we know all too well the human toll of AIDS on New York State’s individuals, families, and communities—but the ongoing NYS HIV epidemic also costs the state billions in avoidable public spending. Implementing the Ending the Epidemic blueprint will translate into substantial savings in avoided health care and services spending. The ETE plan is expected to generate over $6.8 billion in total Medicaid savings, reducing Medicaid spending by a net $4.5 billion after factoring in the impact of ETE ARV treatment and housing expansions, along with $2.3 billion for incremental treatment costs. The expansion of essential housing services called for in the ETE plan will alone produce net public savings of at least $1 billion through increased stability and improved health outcomes for New Yorkers with HIV who are currently homeless or unstably housed. An AIDS-free New York stands to gain much—in both human and fiscal terms."

    http://www.treatmentactiongroup.org/tagline/2015/spring/ending-hiv-epidemic-ete-new-york-state
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    May 28, 2016 11:18 PM GMT
    bradsmith saidWanna know how many guys want to have sex with me specifically because I'm positive? There appears to be a subculture who has a fetish for HIV. Frankly, I find it a bit difficult to understand. But, I've also learned after being positive for 38 years, there's always something new around the corner.

    How can you be positive for 38 years?? The first known infection was in 1981 no??
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    May 31, 2016 7:18 AM GMT
    tampaguy75 saidI'm totally cool with it if the persons engaging in such activities can afford their HIV medications without government help if they do become infected, and if they pre-inform any future partners of their status before engaging in risky behavior.

    The lifetime cost of HIV medications are estimated to be just shy of $400,000.

    If getting your rocks off to an "extra intense" orgasm is worth $400,000, go for it!

    Otherwise, understand that it's not just about you. It's about others who have to help pay for the cost of such medications. Also, it's about respecting your fellow man and agreeing that intentionally or carelessly spreading a disease is not in the best interest of any of us.



    It's fine that you want to factor in healthcare costs when it comes to HIV, implying that it's needless and easily preventable. But let's not forget that all it takes is one exposure to HIV to become HIV+. In comparison to the billions of dollars the US spends to treat illness caused by a lifetime of obesity and tobacco use, the numbers you report pale hugely in comparison. The US spends over ten billion annually alone just to treat illness caused by tobacco/nicotine products. And for obesity the figures are a staggering $147 billion to nearly $210 billion per year! That doesn't even factor in the $4.3 billion annually lost in wages for absenteeism from work due to obesity. So the next time you see someone lighting up a cigarette or some obese person inhaling a Big Mac be sure to let them know that they are intentionally or carelessly endangering their health which is not in the best interest of our tax dollars either.
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