Democratic Party split over Sanders becomes real, personal, and very dangerous

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    May 18, 2016 7:46 PM GMT
    will be a very interesting election season

    The Democrat establishment is waking up to the awful truth on Bernie Sanders: he is a mortal danger to not only the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton, but the continued viability of the party’s strategy of mouthing populist rhetoric while practicing crony capitalism. Too late, they now realize he actually means what he says about a “political revolution,” and bringing him back into the fold by the time of the Philadelphia convention will be a problem. Sanders is not just a candidate; he is a movement. And movements don’t compromise, fall in line, kiss and make up, and follow orders. They agitate until they get satisfaction.

    Far from staying in Vegas, what happened last weekend at the Democrats’ Nevada state convention is mushrooming into a open split, complete with recriminations and signs that longstanding personal relationships are at risk.
    The May 14 mêlée, complete with boos, demands for recounts, fistfights, thrown chairs, armed police, lights out, and fleeing officials, has sparked deepening alienation of the two factions.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/05/democratic_party_split_over_sanders_becomes_real_personal_and_very_dangerous_.html
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    May 18, 2016 9:08 PM GMT
    The views of an extremist Right Winger like bayguy carry no weight. And should be ignored. He has a right-wing agenda, and his comments regarding the Democratic primary race should be judged in that context. Meant to demoralize Democrats and their supporters, with little factual connections or truth.

    The link he posted, BTW, for "American Thinker", is about as radical Right Wing and bogus as you can find.
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    May 18, 2016 9:25 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThe views of an extremist Right Winger like bayguy carry no weight. And should be ignored. He has a right-wing agenda, and his comments regarding the Democratic primary race should be judged in that context. Meant to demoralize Democrats and their supporters, with little factual connections or truth.

    The link he posted, BTW, for "American Thinker", is about as radical Right Wing and bogus as you can find.

    My specific comment here was that it would be an interesting election season. Did that upset you? Regarding the article what do you find false? It should be easy for you shouldn't it?

    The simple fact is this. You don't like dissenting views be they opinions or facts posted here. You don't appear to have anything substantive to say about my comments or the article so you resort to trying to discredit the source. In your perfect world people like me would not exist or post any threads. You hope media outlets and forum posters would not mention things such as the violence in Nevada - a big story.

    The reason for your behavior and others of your ilk is you know deep down that there are some significant weaknesses in all your arguments and your ideology. You hope any dissenting views are ignored if not silenced.
  • Triggerman

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    May 18, 2016 9:36 PM GMT
    Everyone thought the Republicans were falling apart. They might still. But the Democrats have a huge problem. Hillary has never moved up in the polls in any election she has ever been in. She starts at one point and slowly moves down. Fact. She has dropped during this nomination process. I am a Libertarian. I have no dog in this fight. She is moving down according to polls. And if Bernie fans say screw it? Might be a problem.
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    May 18, 2016 9:53 PM GMT
    If Bernie Fans say, hey, this was a rigged nomination with all the Super Delegates, a plan that was devised to keep another Jimmy Carter from getting nominated, or any populist, this could be a nightmare. Wasserman Schults as the leader is not helping by being almost incoherent when trying to explain the process. Bernie wins states. Clinton gets all the delegates. No wonder people think it is rigged. Because it is. People are smart.
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    May 18, 2016 10:04 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidIf Bernie Fans say, hey, this was a rigged nomination with all the Super Delegates, a plan that was devised to keep another Jimmy Carter from getting nominated, or any populist, this could be a nightmare. Wasserman Schults as the leader is not helping by being almost incoherent when trying to explain the process. Bernie wins states. Clinton gets all the delegates. No wonder people think it is rigged. Because it is. People are smart.

    Following supports your points. Wasserman Schultz is becoming extremely divisive.

    Sanders Campaign Manager: Wasserman Schultz Is Putting Her ‘Fingers On The Scale’

    CNN Video: Dem leaders angry at Sanders over ruckus
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/18/sanders-campaign-manager-wasserman-schultz-is-putting-her-fingers-on-the-scale/

    It's also fair to say the GOP process is rigged. It would be just as divisive if Trump had not overwhelmed the opposition. Whatever happens in the election if the problems with both parties are exposed and dealt with then some good will result.
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    May 18, 2016 10:22 PM GMT
    I absolutely agree with you. But, the Republican party does not have Super Delegates. A total fiction to take power away from actual voters. Vote for someone we don't want? Sorry, Democrats. We have decided ahead of time. Your vote does not count. We as a party, leaders, will decide who the nominee will be
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    May 19, 2016 2:25 PM GMT
    Sanders knew the rules when he entered the presidential race as a Democrat. It is ingenuous to now claim that the system is rigged because he's not getting the superdelegates that he and his rabid fans want. Please don't insult our intelligence.
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    May 19, 2016 2:51 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidSanders knew the rules when he entered the presidential race as a Democrat. It is ingenuous to now claim that the system is rigged because he's not getting the superdelegates that he and his rabid fans want. Please don't insult our intelligence.

    Just because the rules are known does not mean they are not rigged. Allowing these delegates to vote how they choose and ignore the voters seems to many to be rigged in favor of party insiders.
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    May 19, 2016 3:14 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThe views of an extremist Right Winger like bayguy carry no weight. And should be ignored. He has a right-wing agenda, and his comments regarding the Democratic primary race should be judged in that context. Meant to demoralize Democrats and their supporters, with little factual connections or truth.

    The link he posted, BTW, for "American Thinker", is about as radical Right Wing and bogus as you can find.


    Hillary is a criminal. The millennials have basically abandoned her. Only old hippies from the 60s and NOW members support her. I applaud Bernie for pulling back the curtain on a corrupt organization.

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    May 19, 2016 3:23 PM GMT
    I am a progressive who will be voting for Hillary as the best choice available. But I don't mind Bernie giving the system HELL!

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    May 20, 2016 2:23 AM GMT
    DOMINUS saidSanders knew the rules when he entered the presidential race as a Democrat. It is ingenuous to now claim that the system is rigged because he's not getting the superdelegates that he and his rabid fans want. Please don't insult our intelligence.


    Your system is flawed and needs adjustment. This is what Sanders is saying, and what others are vying to keep around.
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    May 20, 2016 2:37 AM GMT
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    DOMINUS saidSanders knew the rules when he entered the presidential race as a Democrat. It is ingenuous to now claim that the system is rigged because he's not getting the superdelegates that he and his rabid fans want. Please don't insult our intelligence.

    Just because the rules are known does not mean they are not rigged. Allowing these delegates to vote how they choose and ignore the voters seems to many to be rigged in favor of party insiders.


    First he was never a Democrat. He caucused with the Democrats and that worked out well for the Democrats until it didnt.

    If he was a "party candidate" he would have quite. But he has no real ideological attachment with the party. Its a tool for him.
    I would agree with Dominus
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    May 20, 2016 4:53 AM GMT
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    bayguy said
    DOMINUS saidSanders knew the rules when he entered the presidential race as a Democrat. It is ingenuous to now claim that the system is rigged because he's not getting the superdelegates that he and his rabid fans want. Please don't insult our intelligence.

    Just because the rules are known does not mean they are not rigged. Allowing these delegates to vote how they choose and ignore the voters seems to many to be rigged in favor of party insiders.


    First he was never a Democrat. He caucused with the Democrats and that worked out well for the Democrats until it didnt.

    If he was a "party candidate" he would have quite. But he has no real ideological attachment with the party. Its a tool for him.
    I would agree with Dominus

    Agree with your comments about Sanders. But aside from him the existence of delegates who don't have to follow what the voters want is a flawed rigged system in my opinion.
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    May 20, 2016 6:39 PM GMT
    Hillary Clinton supporters are dillusional especially the gays. I dont know why they would support someone with her judgement. She does not care for the gays or working class people, but only say so, when she wants their vote.

    Thats why im refusing to vote for her. We're not gonna settle for less just because we are dealing with an election that is rigging the system. The clinton people and corporate media hate it, but you know what? We are now living in a time where information is easily accessible and can now easily tell what her track record is and her past. The American people dont want her and the majority of Millenials dont want her either. As time goes on, its going to be hard for Clinton to defeat Trump, as she is not going to get enough delegates to secure the magic number for the nomination, so its going to go to the convention in July. If superdelegates were smart in defeating Trump, they would vote for Sanders but they want to crown their Queen so bad and fuck up the chance to letting Trump win. So you know? Fuck Hillary Clinton. Fuck the DNC. Sanders is more progressive than Hillary would ever be, and his values fall more in line for the democratic party than what Hillary has voted for in the past 20 years. We're not gonna bow down to Hillary just because the DNC wants us to.
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    May 21, 2016 3:19 AM GMT
    socal56 saidHillary Clinton supporters are dillusional especially the gays. I dont know why they would support someone with her judgement. She does not care for the gays or working class people, but only say so, when she wants their vote.


    When and how did you get that impression? As Secretary of State, she pushed a very gay-friendly agenda. She not only implemented spousal benefits for gay couples, she gave a landmark speech at the United Nations about gay rights. Neither of those actions came anywhere near her needing gay votes.

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    May 21, 2016 3:31 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidIf Bernie Fans say, hey, this was a rigged nomination with all the Super Delegates, a plan that was devised to keep another Jimmy Carter from getting nominated, or any populist, this could be a nightmare. Wasserman Schults as the leader is not helping by being almost incoherent when trying to explain the process. Bernie wins states. Clinton gets all the delegates. No wonder people think it is rigged. Because it is. People are smart.


    I must be in a parallel universe again. I really should stop drinking this much coffee.

    Does Hillary not have the popular vote in this universe? Because in mine, she has some millions of votes over Sanders and won a majority of the states. She has a comfortable lead in the delegate count even without assuming she has the support of the party and its superdelegates. The only way Sanders can become the nominee, in my universe, is if he wins every single remaining state by double digits.

    Did Sanders win the popular vote in this universe? By how much? It would be a real tragedy if the superdelegates reversed his popular vote win and superseded the delegates!

    Oh, wait, this is my universe, where Hillary is ahead in popular vote and regular delegate counts. Yet the Sanderistas claim the superdelegates are what will make all the difference. In essence, the system is rigged because their candidate isn't winning no matter whose system you use.

    People may be smart. Some people clearly aren't.
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    May 21, 2016 10:39 AM GMT
    I think Sanders will suspend his campaign on 7 June, exactly the same date Clinton suspended hers in 2008 - and that's how it should be.
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    May 21, 2016 5:25 PM GMT
    Perhaps Sanders has been instrumental in identifying those Americans who are the issue. If he brings a bloodbath, America will improve standing on the bones of his followers.
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    May 25, 2016 2:46 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidPerhaps Sanders has been instrumental in identifying those Americans who are the issue. If he brings a bloodbath, America will improve standing on the bones of his followers.


    The Bernie fans will riot at the Dem convention. They see Hillary for what she is - a 1%-er bought and paid for by Wall Street and doing better than many hedge fund managers.

    And yet people will vote for her in November. Amazing.