Trump's LGBT-Unfriendly Supreme Court Picks

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    May 19, 2016 2:19 AM GMT
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    http://www.advocate.com/election/2016/5/18/trumps-lgbt-unfriendly-supreme-court-picks
    LGBT Americans have reason to worry about Donald Trump’s list of hypothetical Supreme Court nominees, which includes a judge who tweeted about marrying bacon and one who upheld public funding for student groups that discriminate.

    All 11 of Trump’s potential picks, announced today, have solidly conservative judicial records. Not all have ruled in LGBT rights cases, but those who have are largely unsympathetic, and some have the backing of anti-LGBT activists.

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    May 20, 2016 7:08 PM GMT
    Fear Mongering Liberals: name a supreme court decision involving equal rights that a more recent court reversed.
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    May 20, 2016 7:14 PM GMT
    milo Y , is endorsing trump. The left lives only for fear .
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    May 20, 2016 8:31 PM GMT
    You Republicans are no different than Jews who voted Hitler into office because it was good for business. Republicans strike at us at every turn and somehow you think that's just fine. In fact you champion it. The level of blindness and self loathing is incredible. I refuse to get into a flame war with you because no amount of light will penetrate your darkness.
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    May 21, 2016 3:02 AM GMT
    Destinharbor saidYou Republicans are no different than Jews who voted Hitler into office because it was good for business. Republicans strike at us at every turn and somehow you think that's just fine. In fact you champion it. The level of blindness and self loathing is incredible. I refuse to get into a flame war with you because no amount of light will penetrate your darkness.


    I take it you did not say that in mean spirit, knowing your other posts--that you were just reaching for some extreme analogy--but if you can provide a reliable source for your statement re: the Jewish vote, please do. I've searched for one but pretty much find what I thought I would, that we Jewish people were not real into Hitler back then.

    Granted I didn't google the shit out of it but I did just search for a few minutes, finding not much that would indicate your statement anything but propaganda which you've accepted as truth.

    I did find this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0819.html
    ...Interesting also are the following results: the hospital of the Jewish community in one district cast 168 "Yes" votes, 92 "Noes," and 46 ballots were invalid. The Jewish Home for Aged People in another district cast 94 "Yes" votes, four "Noes" and three invalid ballots. This vote is explainable, of course, by the fear of reprisals if the results from these Jewish institutions had been otherwise. It is paralleled by other results outside Berlin...


    But mostly--outside of some blogs saying what you've said also without citing a credible source--I found stuff like this:

    [url]http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/rise(n)-2.htm[/url]
    …Until 1928 about 60% of Jews voted for the Liberals (DDP) and 30% for the Socialists ((EH 48 and 66). But when in July 1930 the DDP merged with an anti-Semitic group to form the 'States Party' ((EH 58 and DLN 73)), the DDP's Jewish supporters looked for a new home. In September 1930 the Centre nominated a leading Zionist as a candidate for the Reichstag ((DLN 28-9)). His position on the list gave him little chance of election, but at a time when all other parties, apart from the Socialist, were trying to distance themselves from the Jewish Community, it was a symbolic gesture of solidarity and emphasised the party's rejection of anti-Semitism. Another Zionist led the, 'Organization of Jewish Centre Party voters' ((DLN 29)). The Nazi Party claimed that: 'it was more Christian than the Centre Party because the Centre had Jewish candidates ((GP 164)). Researchers agree that in the last years before Hitler gained power, 90% of the Jewish vote went to the Socialists and the Centre ((EH 55)).
    It is not clear in what proportion the Jewish vote split between the two parties. A Socialist writer considers that the Centre received less than 20% of the Jewish vote ((AP 59)), while another suggests that 60% voted Socialist and 30% Centre, thereby electing one Centre and two Socialist MPs, the remaining votes being distributed across the whole range from Communist to the DNVP ((EH 62 and 66)). Two other commentators assert that nearly all 'middle class' Jews switched to the Centre ((EH 55)), while another suggests that the Centre became a haven 'possibly for the majority of Jewish voters' ((DLN 72)).
    There is no way of estimating how many votes the Centre and the Socialists lost due to their refusal to embrace anti-Semitism.
    When the German Communist Party was established in 1919, seven out of 99 founding members were Jewish, as were 4 of the 11 man central committee and 10% of its Representatives in the 1920s ((EH 43-44)). But at lower party levels, numbers were insignificant, and few Jews voted Communist ((EH 44-47)). By 1932 not one Jew was amongst their 89 Representatives in the Reichstag, or the 57 in the Prussian parliament, or in other state parliaments. Not one Jew was included in the 500 candidates for public office ((EH 46)). The Centralverein, which fought anti-Semitism and advised Jews how to vote, gave its main aid to the Centre and the Democratic Socialist party. It not only excluded the DNVP and Nazis from their approved list, but the Communists also. ((DLN)).

    Nazi propaganda aimed to assure those outside Germany that Hitler had the support of German religious opinion for his anti-Semitism. The Communists, frequently called 'Bolsheviks' by their enemies, preached the same message so as to discredit the churches. This combination produced a 'German anti-Semitic Catholic versus Bolshevik German Jew myth`. But in 1932 and 1933, any 'Catholic' M.P. or candidate who accepted the Nazi philosophy was refused the sacraments, and not one Jew was a Communist candidate or Representative in the Reichstag or a state parliament. This is an example of the difference between a politically motivated myth and historic reality.


    I've not studied that in depth but that description strikes me that the Jewish vote was not exactly with the Nazi Party.

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    May 21, 2016 3:12 AM GMT
    And besides that Hitler wasn't voted in but was appointed...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_presidential_election,_1932
    Under the Weimar system, the presidency was a powerful office. Hindenburg, who deeply distrusted and personally detested Hitler, had been motivated to run for a second term primarily by a desire to stop Hitler from winning the presidency. Nevertheless, following his re-election, Hindenburg failed to prevent the Nazis from coming. Two successive federal elections left the Nazis as the largest party in the Reichstag and anti-democratic parties in control of a majority of its seats. Under this political climate, Hindenburg reluctantly appointed Hitler as Chancellor of Germany in January 1933.


    ...particularly re: good for business? Yike!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
    Kristallnacht (German pronunciation: [kʁɪsˈtalnaχt]; English: "Crystal Night") or Reichskristallnacht [ˌʁaɪçs.kʁɪsˈtalnaχt], also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, Reichspogromnacht [ˌʁaɪçs.poˈɡʁoːmnaχt] or simply Pogromnacht [poˈɡʁoːmnaχt] ( listen), and Novemberpogrome [noˈvɛmbɐpoɡʁoːmə] ( listen), was a pogrom against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and Austria on the 9-10 of November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary forces and German civilians. German authorities looked on without intervening.[1][2] The name Kristallnacht comes from the shards of broken glass that littered the streets after Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues had their windows smashed...

    Additionally, 30,000 were arrested and incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.[3] Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers.[4] Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone) and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged...

    Conditions for the Jews began to change after the appointment of Adolf Hitler (the Austrian-born leader of the National Socialist Workers' Party) as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933, and the Enabling Act (23 March 1933) assumption of power by Hitler after the Reichstag fire of 27 February 1933.[10][11] From its inception, Hitler's régime moved quickly to introduce anti-Jewish policies. Nazi propaganda singled out the 500,000 Jews in Germany, who accounted for only 0.86% of the overall population, as an enemy within who were responsible for Germany's defeat in the First World War
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    May 21, 2016 3:18 AM GMT
    more...

    https://www.facinghistory.org/weimar-republic-fragility-democracy/readings/weimar-political-parties
    National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP-Nazi)
    The National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP-Nazi), founded in 1919 as the German Workers party, began its move toward prominence when Adolf Hitler emerged as its principal speaker and leader. The National Socialists initially attracted young men who had been in the military and had not been able to reintegrate themselves into the civilian society and economy. The party also drew support from members of the lower middle class, shopkeepers, artisans and white-collar workers. The party was unequivocally opposed to the Weimar Republic and in 1923 its members led by Hitler tried unsuccessfully to seize the government by force. After this failed attempt the party reverted to a strategy of gaining power through the electoral process without ever changing its fundamental opposition to democracy and republican government. Antisemitism and the threat that the Jews represented to Germany were at the core of the Nazi ideology.
    During the later twenties, the base of National Socialist support expanded considerably. Although most of the top leaders of the party including Hitler were Catholic, and the party had begun in Catholic Munich, fewer Catholics proportionally voted for the party than did Protestants. This voting pattern was the result of the Catholic Church urging its members to avoid supporting the Nazis. This Catholic Church opposition to the Nazis would be dropped once Hitler achieved power. While the Nazis were slow to attract women supporters (program for women was summarized by “Children, the Kitchen and the Church”), women were the fastest growing group of supporters by the early 1930s. By 1932, the Nazis had become the most popular political party and they had the largest legislative delegation.
    Funding for the Nazi Party
    Money was a necessity for building and maintaining a large political organization. Hitler needed money to support paramilitary groups, stage rallies, publish newspapers, print posters and buy radio time. Historians have argued about how Hitler and the Nazis raised their money. Marxist historians starting with Franz Naumann in the 1940’s had argued that industrialists who hoped to manipulate him bought Hitler’s success because they feared communism. Even in the 1920s left wing critics of Hitler such as the artist John Heartfield had seen him as a creature of industrialists such as Hugo Stinnes. S. and J. Poole’s claim that it was Henry Ford who supplied the Nazis with funds. However most historians today take the position most clearly expressed by Henry Turner and dispute these claims. Turner argues that most industrialists and financiers supported more moderate political leaders such as Gustav Stresemann and only began to supply Hitler with money in the early 1930s when he looked like a winner and they saw the communist threat growing. Turner sees a generous party membership, often with very limited personal means, as the source of the major funding for the party during its growth period. Turner rejects the idea of any support for Hitler from Henry Ford.
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    Social Democratic Party (SPD)
    The Social Democratic Party (SPD) drew its support from blue-collar trade union skilled workers, and at times from more progressive white-collar workers and intellectuals. While the party had proportionally more Protestant than Catholic supporters, it did attract Catholic workers. In some parts of Germany landless farm workers voted for the party. German women from working class families voted for the Social Democratic Party in large numbers. Some of Germany’s Jews also voted for the Social Democratic Party. From 1919 to 1932, the Social Democratic Party was the party that received the most votes in national elections and had the largest legislative delegation. The SPD was committed to further reform of Weimar society and hoped to eventually make the institutions and economy of Weimar more egalitarian. This party was a bulwark of the Republic and was the most active opponent of antisemitism during the Weimar years.

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    May 21, 2016 3:59 AM GMT
    Destinharbor saidYou Republicans are no different than Jews who voted Hitler into office because it was good for business. Republicans strike at us at every turn and somehow you think that's just fine. In fact you champion it. The level of blindness and self loathing is incredible. I refuse to get into a flame war with you because no amount of light will penetrate your darkness.


    Here's Hillary who accepted $56,000 in Jewelry and 1 Million Dollars in cash from Obama's "Good Friend", the Billionaire Sultan who stones gays to death:
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    After the Sultan reiterated his commitment to stoning gays to death, Obama rewarded him with a free trade deal.
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    May 22, 2016 4:22 PM GMT
    I'm much more comfortable w/ any of Trump's proposed nominees than I am with any of Obama's SCOTUS nominees to date. As for "student groups that discriminate," I'd sure like to know what those groups are and just how they "discriminate."
    My bottom line: there are A LOT of issues MUCH more important than GL[BT] rights, and adherence to the Constitution and its separation of powers is chief among them. Anyone who doesn't put that and the rule of law, not the cult of personality politics, first is not qualified for appointment to SCOTUS.