KINDNESS: Whether a wounded attacker or victim, Jewish doctor saves Palestinians, Muslim doctor saves Jews. Palestinians saves life of Jewish soldier. Israeli military medic saves Palestinian youth

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    May 19, 2016 9:13 PM GMT
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/doctors--israeli-and-palestinian--work-together-to-heal-wounds-of-war/2015/10/25/b8f62240-78c5-11e5-a5e2-40d6b2ad18dd_story.html
    ...This is a sad story about a special place where Jews and Arabs come together to heal the broken bodies of victims and their attackers, some of them children.

    The staff call them “Bert and Ernie”...

    ...Eid wears green scrubs and a scrub cap. Fried wears green scrubs and a knitted kippa, or skullcap. Eid is the head of surgery at Hadassah University Hospital in Mount Scopus. Fried is head of the intensive-care unit...

    ... Both doctors said they never ask whether the patient who comes through the door is a victim or an assailant.

    “We don’t ask who you are. We treat the terrorist the same as we treat the victim,” Eid said...

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    May 28, 2016 3:48 AM GMT
    gymfreak saidIgnoring the other side or half truth?

    Palestinians saving the life of the Israeli soldier!


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    Neither. That's the thing about a thread. I get to start one about cooperation if I so please and you get to add to the theme or distract as you see fit.

    Nor did I or mwolverine source anything anti-Palestinian or reference anything anti-Anyone for that matter in our postings to this thread.

    It would have been even lovelier had you found the same or similar youtube from a less hostile source, but it contains a good message outside of the wording of the title of it and so we'll take what we can get, I suppose.

    Your harmonious additions to this thread about cooperation is appreciated. Divisiveness is noted. Indeed, in the making of it, I wanted not just to have a thread about people who don't have to act as enemies for also I was curious to see what sort of response might come from that.

    The better part of your contribution has been added to the title.
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2016 2:59 PM GMT
    The thread wasn't one-sided from the get go:
    The Jewish Doctor Who Saves Palestinian Attackers AND The Muslim Doctor Who Saves Jewish Victims

    Neither was my video "Ignoring the other side or half truth", unless someone cared so little that they didn't even bother to watch the 30 second clip before angrily retorting (which reveals priorities).

    It said:
    Israelis and Arabs - who refuse to be enemies.
    Peace is possible

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
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    May 28, 2016 3:00 PM GMT
    Continuing on that wavelength:

    When [Israeli] Border Police officers on a routine patrol in the Judean town of Hebron on Wednesday came upon a collapsed Palestinian youth, they immediately sprang into action.

    The young man was found to be without a pulse and was not breathing. An Israeli military medic wasted no time starting CPR, while his colleague radioed for a Palestinian Red Crescent ambulance.

    As the ambulance arrived, the Israeli media continued his frantic efforts to save the boy’s life until the paramedics were ready to load the victim and transport him to a nearby hospital.

    It was later learned that the Palestinian youth had been electrocuted, and that the first aid provided by the Israeli soldiers enabled doctors at the hospital to save his life.

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    May 28, 2016 3:12 PM GMT
    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/25503/Default.aspxIsraeli Soldiers Save Life of Palestinian Youth

    ...When Border Police officers on a routine patrol in the Judean town of Hebron on Wednesday came upon a collapsed Palestinian youth, they immediately sprang into action.

    The young man was found to be without a pulse and was not breathing. An Israeli military medic wasted no time starting CPR, while his colleague radioed for a Palestinian Red Crescent ambulance.

    As the ambulance arrived, the Israeli media continued his frantic efforts to save the boy’s life until the paramedics were ready to load the victim and transport him to a nearby hospital.

    It was later learned that the Palestinian youth had been electrocuted, and that the first aid provided by the Israeli soldiers enabled doctors at the hospital to save his life.


    full disclosure: Though the newspaper claims itself "the definitive source for a truthful and balanced perspective on Israel." a quick google shows it began with Sheldon Adelson funding, an American Jewish GOPer, Trump supporter & Netanyahu backer. Likewise, the youtuber hosting the video used in the article...



    ...is another news agency called Tazpit (which I believe means outlook). A quick review of their channel, though I don't speak Hebrew, does seem a bit one sided so I don't know the motive of their placing this video. As I said, I suppose we'll take what we can get.

    Perhaps someone can find other examples of kindnesses brought to us by nonpartisan sources? So much violence, so much hatred, so much distrust there, I don't know if that exists in abundance.

    LATER EDIT TO ADD: Oooops. I see you posted the same thing probably as I was searching to post as well. I didn't mean to duplicate and just now noticed.
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    May 28, 2016 3:18 PM GMT
    Yet it also gives credit to B'tselem, a left-wing human rights organization.
    (And unlike another video above, this video doesn't have ads/links to hate material.)
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    May 28, 2016 3:29 PM GMT
    Thank you, I was unaware of that. I did check to see if it looked very hateful even if one side leaning, which it did not, at least not to me with my limited abilities as I don't speak the language. Also I first looked for an even less leaning source for the same vid before posting what I had.

    But given realities, there might not be many easily accessed examples which were not posted as propaganda though they may show kindnesses nonetheless. So just as the person posting as gymfreak was very too quick to judge a motive, I might have been somewhat too quick myself to judge what might come from where.
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    May 28, 2016 8:34 PM GMT
    GymFreak saidOf course you two believe it is a respectful thread because it gives Israel a positive views than to the Palestinians. So the Palestinians are attackers and the Jews are victims. I don't buy that silly Zionist propaganda...


    Perhaps you see only the hate you seek. The original title of the thread ("Jewish doctor saves Palestinian attackers, Muslim doctor saves Jewish victims") --even if an unfortunate pick of words by your criticism of it (& I've now reworded it by that), be that correct or not--was simply based on the particular story in the OP which reads in part:

    "For the past month — during a wave of Palestinian attacks on Jews and harsh Israeli responses, including shoot-to-kill countermeasures — the two have worked side by side."

    I'm not familiar with the incident in question but certainly it is possible that even if just on that particular wave of attacking that the aggressor might have been as described the Palestinians even if you try to justify every single one of their actions as being caused by existing conditions outside of their control or responsibility, for either side or both sides certainly could put down their aggressions at some point by their own will regardless of conditions.

    For instance, my own issue with Israel, though certainly I support its continuing existence, is that to me retaliation is not peace. That there has to be another way.

    And so while Palestinians attacking Jews is not so peaceful and while Israeli's retaliation--even if simply in this case while recognizing it might be the aggressor in other cases--of shooting to kill Palestinians is equally also not peaceful, the story which generated this thread featured two doctors working to repair bodies without regard to politics, both Jewish and Arab doctors motivated by their humanitarian spirit, not by war mongering.

    Where no one will set or sit a table of peace it features two doctors at their operating tables piecing together victims of war, be the victim bystander, be the victim an active participant on either side is not their concern, but only the continuation of the lives of both. I can't help it that you don't find hope there but instead only more reason to hate.

    Perhaps if you instead tried finding examples of peace, that might work towards piecing together a way to a lasting peace.

    I simply suggest a tactful tack where tit for tat's not working.
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    May 28, 2016 10:03 PM GMT
    GymFreak saidIf Israelis cannot stop killing Palestinians then that is their shame. They are the occupying power. They can decide tomorrow to stop occupying other human beings. It is their ethical choice, for which they will, of course, be held responsible. This created a bloody mess that show no signs of resolving. Palestinians never want to kill Jews, that is the Zionist's propaganda narrative. When anyone (including non-Jews) occupying the Palestinian lands, then the Palestinians will fight back! What I seek is a more equal society, in which the rights of everyone are respected and in which justice prevails for victims of oppression.

    Since when the Palestinians are label as Muslims? You are clueless if you believe that article is peaceful and respectful... Just another Zionist's fanatic propaganda article.


    This gladiator of a doctor in the story happens to be Muslim. Per the article: "Ahmed Eid, 65, is a Muslim from the Galilee village of Dabburiya". Thus the title. Stop being such a prick, thank you.

    I did not say the article might not have been slanted--though it is originally sourced from a hospital, institutions which tend towards neutrality, I said it did not seem to derive from a place of hate which yours obviously did and then in the next vid I posted--apparently though independently duplicating wolf's googling--I even explored and exposed what influences might have been working towards the dissemination of that. Also I expressed understanding that it might be difficult to find videos such as the one you contributed through non hateful sources, there being more than enough hate to go around.

    Do you have examples to contribute to this thread which show Palestinians who you say do not want to kill Jews?

    Do you think that it could be at all constructive to put aside all hostility, regardless of reason, and see if instead a mindset of peace might develop in the absence of conflict which in turn might lend towards solutions of conflicts herein left at the door?
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    May 29, 2016 12:42 AM GMT
    GymFreak said
    They are the occupying power. They can decide tomorrow to stop occupying

    As if it's that simple? Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. There was no peaceful reciprocation. Instead the Palestinian Arabs elected Hamas in legislative elections (with a 44% plurality) and terrorism against Israeli civilians skyrocketed. Establishing a new status quo that has persisted since (with Hamas blocking further elections in the PA).

    Now GF/GS wants Israel to withdraw from (all of?) Judea & Samaria as if that would bring peace rather than rocket attacks targeting not small desert cities (e.g. Sderot) but millions of Israelis in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa?

    Israel similarly withdrew from its thin security zone in Lebanon in 2000 - as certified by the UN. Still Lebanon (never mind Hizbullah) didn't make peace with Israel. In 2006, Hizbullah claimed Israel still occupied a few square miles of Lebanon as a pretext to start another war.

    Prior to that, going back to 1956, Israel withdrew from territories it captured in the 1956 war (including Gaza). Needless to say that good faith measure was not reciprocated, else we'd have had 60 years of peace already.

    In 2009, Israel offered to withdraw from 99.6% of the disputed territories, all but about 10 square miles. That, too, was not sufficient, as wasn't President Clinton's 97% some 15 years ago.

    You see, it's not about the disputed (or "occupied", to employ the common slogan/soundbite) territories. It's about Israel existing.

    Otherwise there'd have already been peace before 1967, when these territories were in Arab hands.
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    May 29, 2016 12:45 AM GMT
    GymFreak said
    Palestinians never want to kill Jews

    The facts speak otherwise. Sadly.

    Palestinians Celebrate Terror Attack
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    Poll: 67% of Palestinian Arabs support murder of Israeli Jews, 25% even if attackers are little girls
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4192905
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    May 30, 2016 3:03 AM GMT
    GymFreak said
    Jews that support Palestinian cause, aren't Palestinian emeny.

    Only the vast majority of Jews who support the right of Jews to self-determination in their ancient homeland are your enemy?
    How different is that from some homophobe saying that only gays who support gay rights are the enemy?

    GF/GS> Gaza was not completely withdraw and still occupied by Israel.

    Israel withdrew all soldiers and uprooted all Jewish civilians from Gaza in 2005.
    Not only was there no peaceful reciprocation then, we see GF/GS seeking to rationalize that because he wanted more and didn't get it all right away.
    It's as if the concept of compromise is foreign to him.
    [Edit: look how this is confirmed below.]

    On top of that idiocy, unable to defend his prior lie, he attempts to counter-balance it by pointing out that most Israelis support a soldier who killed a terrorist that had already been subdued. As if this isolated event is comparable to months of pre-meditated terrorist attacks against innocent Israeli civilians?

    Another difference: that soldier is under arrest and facing 3rd degree murder charges.

    If that's not bad enough for a single sh*t-show, he then references a proposed bill that has no chance of passing as if it is law?
    (A similar bill was voted down last July, 94-6.)

    And this is all he has to say in the "Kindness" thread?!
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    May 30, 2016 3:06 AM GMT
    Israel’s Heart for Peace
    http://www.israel21c.org/israels-heart-for-peace

    At Hadassah Medical Center, a mixed team of Israeli and Palestinian cardiologists has cared for 607 Palestinian children since 2005, at no charge.

    “The beneficiaries are not only the children, the women and the Palestinian families, as well as the trained doctors, but also the Israeli and Palestinian people who get to know each other better,” say Haim.

    Rein says the seven Israeli and two Palestinian participating doctors enjoy warm relationships during and after work hours. The only common enemy, he says, is heart disease.
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    May 30, 2016 3:53 AM GMT
    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israelis-Palestinians-participate-in-joint-Remembrance-Day-ceremony-in-Tel-Aviv-453672Israelis, Palestinians participate in joint Remembrance Day ceremony in Tel Aviv

    Some 3,000 Israelis and Arabs, including hundreds from the West Bank, participated in the Israeli-Palestinian Remembrance Day ceremony – held for the 11th consecutive year – at the Shlomo Group Arena in the Tel Aviv Fairgrounds.

    The ceremony on Tuesday was organized by Combatants for Peace Movement in cooperation with the Parents’ Circle- Families Forum.

    The ceremony included speeches by bereaved family members who are active in forums promoting dialogue, reconciliation and nonviolence.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatants_for_PeaceCombatants for Peace (Hebrew: לוחמים לשלום‎‎; Arabic: مقاتلون من أجل آلسلام‎‎) is a bi-national movement of Israelis and Palestinians who...support a peaceful solution of two states for the two peoples: Israeli and Palestinian.

    The movement was formed in 2005 by Palestinians and Israelis who had taken an active role in the cycle of violence, and decided to drop their arms and work together to promote a peaceful solution through dialogue and non-violent action. Originally, the activists on both sides were solely ex-combatants: the Israelis as soldiers in the Israeli army and the Palestinians as participants in the violent struggle for Palestinian freedom.