Crackpot Hate Speech and Far-Right Conspiracy Theories on RJ

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    May 26, 2016 12:25 PM GMT
    Is RJ coming to resemble a sewer?
    In reference to an Arab Christian member in another thread:

    Bonaparts> I am happy, no more reason to see his need to post threads about his palestian [sic] shithole on this site

    Lumpyoatmeal> Not too long ago I read somewhere about how undercover Arab terrorists or spies are using things like twitter, facebook, and forums to send coded messages to their cohorts. They look like ordinary posts but they're using certain words in particular sequences that have meaning to their cohorts. We did the same thing with Radio Free Europe back in the cold war days for our spies behind the iron curtain and Britain did it during WWII with radio for their operatives in France.
    So maybe he was an Arab spy and the FBI informed realjock. What better camouflage than a gay site.

    Unnamed6> Believe it or not, there's actually credible allegations that the current Director of the CIA is a Muslim, but won't want to admit it, which leads to the other allegation that he's a covert Muslim Brotherhood agent, but at the moment I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and not believe both allegations.

    Arab spies? "Palestian" [sic] shitholes? Muslims running the CIA?
    Is this a site for gays and liberals or for mentally detached fanboys of Donald Trump?
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    May 26, 2016 3:39 PM GMT
    no reason for the OP to complain.
    Consider some members incompatible and put them in "Ignore".
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    May 26, 2016 7:17 PM GMT
    The question is about the prevalence of bigoted opinion on RJ, not on how I personally should deal with it.
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    May 27, 2016 1:18 AM GMT
    JTheM saidThe question is about the prevalence of bigoted opinion on RJ, not on how I personally should deal with it.


    read the First Amendment and get a life icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 27, 2016 1:38 AM GMT
    This site would be boring (rapidly approaching) if all posters agreed with each other.
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    May 27, 2016 3:41 AM GMT
    Not4u saidThis site would be boring (rapidly approaching) if all posters agreed with each other.

    Quite, but there is a difference between a multitude of different views and bigoted hate speech. Pellaz and tj85016 don't seem to understand, but I'm asking what accounts for the surplus of bigotry, and also what it says about the people here? It has nothing to do with how one deals with the bigotry personally or whether you think it should be banned (which I do not).

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    May 27, 2016 6:28 AM GMT
    JTheM said
    Not4u saidThis site would be boring (rapidly approaching) if all posters agreed with each other.

    Quite, but there is a difference between a multitude of different views and bigoted hate speech. Pellaz and tj85016 don't seem to understand, but I'm asking what accounts for the surplus of bigotry, and also what it says about the people here? It has nothing to do with how one deals with the bigotry personally or whether you think it should be banned (which I do not).


    One man's bigoted hate speech is another man's truth.

    It often seems it's only hate speech when they don't agree with it.
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    May 27, 2016 12:19 PM GMT
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u saidThis site would be boring (rapidly approaching) if all posters agreed with each other.

    Quite, but there is a difference between a multitude of different views and bigoted hate speech. Pellaz and tj85016 don't seem to understand, but I'm asking what accounts for the surplus of bigotry, and also what it says about the people here? It has nothing to do with how one deals with the bigotry personally or whether you think it should be banned (which I do not).


    One man's bigoted hate speech is another man's truth.

    It often seems it's only hate speech when they don't agree with it.

    "Truth" = objective fact, not subjective opinion.
    May I ask, is the idea that Palestine is a "sh*thole" and that Muslims run the government and the CIA "true", or an unhinged example of bigoted hate speech?
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    May 27, 2016 12:20 PM GMT
    Disagreement doesn't mean calling out names, spitting venom against each other identity and engaging in a mud slinging contest. People can agree to disagree like educated, civil beings. Disagreement doesn't have to mean engaging in hate speech.
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    May 27, 2016 2:19 PM GMT
    JTheM said

    Is this a site for gays and liberals or for mentally detached fanboys of Donald Trump?


    This makes no sense....Not everyone here is liberal...nor is every so-called "fanboy" of Donald Trump "mentally detached". There are a variety of opinions here at RJ from all sorts of different backgrounds. That's what keeps it interesting. There's a BLOCK function to filter out opinions you find offensive.
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    May 27, 2016 3:00 PM GMT
    JTheM said
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u saidThis site would be boring (rapidly approaching) if all posters agreed with each other.

    Quite, but there is a difference between a multitude of different views and bigoted hate speech. Pellaz and tj85016 don't seem to understand, but I'm asking what accounts for the surplus of bigotry, and also what it says about the people here? It has nothing to do with how one deals with the bigotry personally or whether you think it should be banned (which I do not).


    One man's bigoted hate speech is another man's truth.

    It often seems it's only hate speech when they don't agree with it.

    "Truth" = objective fact, not subjective opinion.
    May I ask, is the idea that Palestine is a "sh*thole" and that Muslims run the government and the CIA "true", or an unhinged example of bigoted hate speech?


    Neither

    Notice in my post I did not say THE truth I said a MAN's truth. What I may hold to be true for me may not be true for you. If I firmly believe something it is MY truth. Not yours. Not anyone else's. It may not even be THE truth. That's not the point. It is MY truth.

    What lumpy and unnamed stated were not stated as facts. Neither was bonaparts's
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    May 27, 2016 5:30 PM GMT
    Why should I call palestine anything else if it is a homophobic, degrading, primitive, religious, undeveloped, overpopulated, aggressive shithole? And who are you to call someone mentally detached or for who this site is for? Thought fascist police ? Who resembles a sewer?
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    May 28, 2016 1:21 AM GMT
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u saidThis site would be boring (rapidly approaching) if all posters agreed with each other.

    Quite, but there is a difference between a multitude of different views and bigoted hate speech. Pellaz and tj85016 don't seem to understand, but I'm asking what accounts for the surplus of bigotry, and also what it says about the people here? It has nothing to do with how one deals with the bigotry personally or whether you think it should be banned (which I do not).


    One man's bigoted hate speech is another man's truth.

    It often seems it's only hate speech when they don't agree with it.

    "Truth" = objective fact, not subjective opinion.
    May I ask, is the idea that Palestine is a "sh*thole" and that Muslims run the government and the CIA "true", or an unhinged example of bigoted hate speech?


    Neither

    Notice in my post I did not say THE truth I said a MAN's truth. What I may hold to be true for me may not be true for you. If I firmly believe something it is MY truth. Not yours. Not anyone else's. It may not even be THE truth. That's not the point. It is MY truth.

    What lumpy and unnamed stated were not stated as facts. Neither was bonaparts's

    Sounds like a lot of post-modernist mumbo-jumbo to me. People have opinions, viewpoints, unique experiences etc. I don't particularly like the term "truth" (it has too many totalitarian connotations), but I do believe in FACTS, which are not subjective to your or my lived experience and are not a matter of one's point of view. In other words, it is either a FACT that Muslims run the CIA, or it is FALSE. These opposite scenarios don't then fuse together to create "truth" (subjective to whatever someone feels or wants to believe - in total contradiction to the inviolable "truth" of another person), but are either right or wrong. As it happens, this is a nutty conspiracy theory and is wrong.

    Bonaparts has recently volunteered that the Nazis were great liberators, "angels" who did much good but unfortunately suffered a bum rap from the "Jewish" and "Russian" media. Maybe his "truth" is that the Holocaust didn't happen and all Jews are liars? Does this only seem like hate speech because we don't agree with it?
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    May 28, 2016 5:34 AM GMT
    ^ those are not my quotes, funny for someone who talks about facts you sure love to make your own subjective interpretations and history is more complex than your mind possibly can grasp
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    May 28, 2016 1:28 PM GMT
    JTheM said
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u saidThis site would be boring (rapidly approaching) if all posters agreed with each other.

    Quite, but there is a difference between a multitude of different views and bigoted hate speech. Pellaz and tj85016 don't seem to understand, but I'm asking what accounts for the surplus of bigotry, and also what it says about the people here? It has nothing to do with how one deals with the bigotry personally or whether you think it should be banned (which I do not).


    One man's bigoted hate speech is another man's truth.

    It often seems it's only hate speech when they don't agree with it.

    "Truth" = objective fact, not subjective opinion.
    May I ask, is the idea that Palestine is a "sh*thole" and that Muslims run the government and the CIA "true", or an unhinged example of bigoted hate speech?


    Neither

    Notice in my post I did not say THE truth I said a MAN's truth. What I may hold to be true for me may not be true for you. If I firmly believe something it is MY truth. Not yours. Not anyone else's. It may not even be THE truth. That's not the point. It is MY truth.

    What lumpy and unnamed stated were not stated as facts. Neither was bonaparts's

    Sounds like a lot of post-modernist mumbo-jumbo to me. People have opinions, viewpoints, unique experiences etc. I don't particularly like the term "truth" (it has too many totalitarian overtones), but I do believe in FACTS, which are not subjective to your or my lived experience and are not a matter of one's point of view. In other words, it is either a FACT that Muslims run the CIA, or it is FALSE. These opposite scenarios don't then fuse together to create "truth" (subjective to whatever someone feels or wants to believe - in total contradiction to the inviolable "truth" of another person), but are either right or wrong. As it happens, this is a nutty conspiracy theory and is wrong.

    Bonaparts has recently volunteered that the Nazis were great liberators, "angels" who did much good but unfortunately suffered a bum rap from the "Jewish" and "Russian" media. Maybe his "truth" is that the Holocaust didn't happen and all Jews are liars? Does this only seem like hate speech because we don't agree with it?


    Post- modernist? Talk about your mumbo-jumbo. Lose the argument so change the words from truth to fact. I can think of a myriad times this has happened in history.

    So present some of your facts to refute them. Don't just call them names, impugn their character, or misquote them. THAT'S what I hate about these forums - people can't just discuss they have to name call, which to me is a sure sign they are losing the argument.
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    May 28, 2016 1:43 PM GMT
    Bonaparts said^ those are not my quotes, funny for someone who talks about facts you sure love to make your own subjective interpretations and history is more complex than your mind possibly can grasp

    Your arguments speak for themselves.
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    May 28, 2016 1:45 PM GMT
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u said
    JTheM said
    Not4u saidThis site would be boring (rapidly approaching) if all posters agreed with each other.

    Quite, but there is a difference between a multitude of different views and bigoted hate speech. Pellaz and tj85016 don't seem to understand, but I'm asking what accounts for the surplus of bigotry, and also what it says about the people here? It has nothing to do with how one deals with the bigotry personally or whether you think it should be banned (which I do not).


    One man's bigoted hate speech is another man's truth.

    It often seems it's only hate speech when they don't agree with it.

    "Truth" = objective fact, not subjective opinion.
    May I ask, is the idea that Palestine is a "sh*thole" and that Muslims run the government and the CIA "true", or an unhinged example of bigoted hate speech?


    Neither

    Notice in my post I did not say THE truth I said a MAN's truth. What I may hold to be true for me may not be true for you. If I firmly believe something it is MY truth. Not yours. Not anyone else's. It may not even be THE truth. That's not the point. It is MY truth.

    What lumpy and unnamed stated were not stated as facts. Neither was bonaparts's

    Sounds like a lot of post-modernist mumbo-jumbo to me. People have opinions, viewpoints, unique experiences etc. I don't particularly like the term "truth" (it has too many totalitarian overtones), but I do believe in FACTS, which are not subjective to your or my lived experience and are not a matter of one's point of view. In other words, it is either a FACT that Muslims run the CIA, or it is FALSE. These opposite scenarios don't then fuse together to create "truth" (subjective to whatever someone feels or wants to believe - in total contradiction to the inviolable "truth" of another person), but are either right or wrong. As it happens, this is a nutty conspiracy theory and is wrong.

    Bonaparts has recently volunteered that the Nazis were great liberators, "angels" who did much good but unfortunately suffered a bum rap from the "Jewish" and "Russian" media. Maybe his "truth" is that the Holocaust didn't happen and all Jews are liars? Does this only seem like hate speech because we don't agree with it?


    Post- modernist? Talk about your mumbo-jumbo. Lose the argument so change the words from truth to fact. I can think of a myriad times this has happened in history.

    So present some of your facts to refute them. Don't just call them names, impugn their character, or misquote them. THAT'S what I hate about these forums - people can't just discuss they have to name call, which to me is a sure sign they are losing the argument.

    I didn't attack you but your arguments.
    But why not be clear about what it is you intend to say? That being that "Muslims" run the CIA and are manipulating American foreign policy behind the scenes is "truth" (at least subjective to one idiot's opinion) and not bigoted hate speech?
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    May 28, 2016 2:29 PM GMT
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    Bonaparts said^ those are not my quotes, funny for someone who talks about facts you sure love to make your own subjective interpretations and history is more complex than your mind possibly can grasp

    Your arguments speak for themselves.


    very weak, you have no arguments, you can only talk about mine since you have none icon_lol.gif yes, they do speak for themselves, unlike yours
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    May 28, 2016 3:10 PM GMT
    i treat my associates with with respect. you cant go any further than that.
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    May 28, 2016 11:25 PM GMT
    Bonaparts said
    JTheM said
    Bonaparts said^ those are not my quotes, funny for someone who talks about facts you sure love to make your own subjective interpretations and history is more complex than your mind possibly can grasp

    Your arguments speak for themselves.


    very weak, you have no arguments, you can only talk about mine since you have none icon_lol.gif yes, they do speak for themselves, unlike yours

    Your "argument" is that the Nazis were "liberators" who tried (and failed) to "liberate" Eastern Europe from Soviet oppression. You complain that the Nazis aren't given the proper credit for this due to the prevalence of the "Jewish" and "Russian" media.

    This alone outs you as an insane pervert. That you're not thanking your lucky stars that Russia defeated Nazi Germany (and hence won the war for the Allies) makes your every opinion irrelevant and odious.

    But as you're liable to deny what you've said and accuse others of misrepresenting you, I'm going to quote your post from the other thread in toto, and allow the readers to make up their own minds:

    Bonaparts> While the most of people sees nazis as nothing but pure evil, In Eastern Europe nazis are still remembered and those easterner Europeans who fought in the world war 2 - respected. Since most of the world only knows about bad doings of nazis, they have no clue that for Eastern Europeans nazis, although temporalry, freed them from horrors of communists which by comparison was far worse than nazi regime. So those Balts and Ukrainians who fought on the nazi side for their countries are not exactly honored, but are seen as brothers, sons, friends and fathers, who were lost in WW2 and deserve to be remembered.

    Bonaparts> course jewish and Russian media are twisting that part of the history and trying to make Eastern Europe as nazis that glorify Hitler, but truth will not be untold, eastern European people remember fallen soldiers on nazi side, because they fought against communists and for their independence not for what Hitler stood for.

    Bonaparts> 6 million jews were killed in WW2, it has been reminded and repeated over and over again, but how many of you know that in Ukraine alone, in just one winter, more than 7 million ukrainians were starved to death by Stalin?
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    May 28, 2016 11:31 PM GMT
    MODERATE ISLAM:

    CAIRO — An armed Muslim mob stripped an elderly Christian woman and paraded her naked on the streets in an attack last week in which seven Christian homes were also looted and torched in a province south of the Egyptian capital.

    According to the local Orthodox Coptic church and security officials, the assault in the Minya province village of Karma on Friday began after rumors spread that the elderly woman’s son had an affair with a Muslim woman — a taboo in conservative Egypt.

    Police have arrested six men suspected of taking part in the violence and are looking for 12 more, the security officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.
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    May 28, 2016 11:31 PM GMT
    pointless arguing with someone who has no understanding in history and no education in it and no arguments

    Only a simpleton would see nazis as only bad and russians as good, obviously you did not take any notice in facts about eastern europe like deportations, holodomor and comemorating waffen ss each year as part of the culture for eastern europeans

    You are too primitive and still, your arguments are mine arguments icon_lol.gif YOU HAVE NONE

    but like I said the truth will not be untold

    do me a favor and crawl back to your hole until you haven't shamed yourself completely if that is possible
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    May 28, 2016 11:41 PM GMT
    On the contrary, I know all about the Holodomor and never said one side is purely good.

    Many nations continued their struggles against the British and French Empires during the War, including the Arabs, the Irish, and the Indians under Gandhi (where the British killed far more people than Hitler and Stalin combined). The French would fight a war of "extermination" in Algeria from 1954-1962, while America would kill 4 million Indochinese (a slaughter greater than most genocides).

    Who commemorates the Waffen-SS in the Baltics by the way? Russian nationalists, or far-right Eastern Europeans who hate Russia? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 29, 2016 1:35 AM GMT
    So Sam, tell us why you were banned. We're curious.