What has changed about RJ over the years?-- a question for long term participants

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    May 28, 2016 10:06 PM GMT
    How do you compare the experience of RJ now to your early encounters here?
  • venue35

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    May 28, 2016 10:59 PM GMT
    Um.. compared to 5 years ago about 50% of RJ members have hit the highwayicon_lol.gif
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    May 28, 2016 11:51 PM GMT
    I would say a lot more, I have been here for like 2 years or so and I have managed to get rid of many

    so proud
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    May 29, 2016 3:12 AM GMT
    Bonaparts saidI would say a lot more, I have been here for like 2 years or so and I have managed to get rid of many

    so proud


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    May 29, 2016 5:15 AM GMT
    Kickstartering said
    Bonaparts saidI would say a lot more, I have been here for like 2 years or so and I have managed to get rid of many

    so proud


    Once you punctuate, you'll rule the world.


    exactly
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    May 29, 2016 6:02 AM GMT
    The forum is the best and worst thing about this site. A lot more intelligent conversation years ago. Today, it's full of trolls, spammers, and insecure guys looking for validation.
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    May 29, 2016 1:09 PM GMT
    Sadly, a lot of guys left after AOL bought RJ a few years ago and removed the video chat.
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    May 29, 2016 1:51 PM GMT
    There are annoying guys are on this site now who have no interest, or pretend to have interest, in working out. They're pretty much just here to look at guys and capitalize off of the stock, which is annoying af.
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    May 29, 2016 2:26 PM GMT
    Two areas I've seen decay over time are Fitness and Travel.
    5+ years ago RJ had loads of great personal trainers giving advice. No more.
    Back then members were much more likely to share their travel advice too.
    Now it seems that the remaining guys don't travel much or aren't willing to pass along information.
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    May 29, 2016 2:50 PM GMT
    I think the changes on RJ reflect those on social media generally. I think RJ is still a very useful and generally congenial place for gay men to meet and interact, in spite of occasional attempts by a spoilt few to wreck the train set.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 29, 2016 3:03 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidSadly, a lot of guys left after AOL bought RJ a few years ago and removed the video chat.


    Is this true? I hadn't heard that AOL bought RJ. I hope the guys who created it were paid well. Thy deserve it.

    I don't spend near the amount of time on this site that I did like maybe 5 years ago when it was quite a lively place -- especially in the forums where it could often get darn-right nasty. Now when I come here I am surprised at how little activity there is in comparison to years past. It's really a shell of what it once was.
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    May 29, 2016 3:10 PM GMT
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    Romanticizing the past helps make the mundane present seem more tolerable by manufacturing the "well, at least we had that" factor.

    But fact is there were creeps then as now. There may be more now but not just this site, rather, on the internet, as access has become easier over the years. So anyone who can't think their way out of a paper bag can now talk shit online today. Oh what joy to read that crap!

    I left the site early on because of all the stalking, harassment, puppets and trolls, you know, way back when we romanticize that they didn't exist. I did come back after some time but was about to leave again when the prior admin introduced the ignore click in lieu of being overly moderated. I do enjoy the freedom of speech. But also I like the freedom to not have to look at shit.

    So for me the big differences are the ignore click which I love because I can read through a thread without stepping in too many piles of dog shit and this here fancy new anti-stalking reduction device which absolutely functions as designed. I still get bullshit thrown my way, asshole GOPers macro-ing view counts on threads I've OP'd and various other crap but since stalkers have had to actually work at it, when they don't so easily see a post without effort to find one, the reduction of harassment is measurable.
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    May 29, 2016 3:50 PM GMT
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    mx5guynj saidSadly, a lot of guys left after AOL bought RJ a few years ago and removed the video chat.


    Is this true? I hadn't heard that AOL bought RJ. I hope the guys who created it were paid well. Thy deserve it.


    I don't think it was that... I think that the RJ chat features were enabled with APIs to AOL's chat engine. AOL changed its mechanism for chat, or removed the API access, or something like that...

    Not that I know for sure, I joined right after chat was gone, but that's what I remember that's what an "old timer" said when i asked...
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    May 29, 2016 4:34 PM GMT
    I've been here since the early 2000s and the biggest changes have been the disintegration of community. When RJ started it was a very tight community of guys with a common interest in fitness, nutrition and men. There was a lot of fun chatter, great advice and camaraderie. The owners organized a booth at the Folsom Street Fair (the owners at that time were from SF) and members in many cities organized their own 'meet up' groups a bit later. It was all about developing friendships and keeping in touch. Then came the demise with the trolls and those that insisted on being nasty. Hatred filled the forum with anonymity. Oversight by management, that was never needed, was not implemented and after some very unfortunate insults, the core of what made RJ so great (those that hadn't already left in disgust) made a mass exodus from the site. Gone was the camaraderie, fun, clean banter, discussions and support for fitness, advice and encouragement, only to be replaced with rudeness, offensiveness, vulgar and inappropriate name calling by trolls with unverifiable monikers.

    A few of us old timers log on occasionally but it's hard to be encouraged after all the friends and fun we had in the past are gone. We see some of the same names of people who perpetuated the mass exodus still here today. The luster is gone, the shine has tarnished and, although we look to find just a glimmer of what was, it is seldom found or bright enough to encourage much continuing participation.

    Perhaps a new look will inspire a new generation of men to reignite that camaraderie with respect for each other, the support of those struggling and advice to those requesting without judgement and insult. Perhaps management will resurrect their support for the site by implementing and enforcing ways to remove, eliminate and discourage the haters that brought the site down originally.
  • okaces91

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    May 29, 2016 4:37 PM GMT
    I'm a brand new member in comparison to a lot of those who have replied, but I remember starting to visit about four years ago when I was struggling to come out; I'm out partially now and have made great progress icon_smile.gif, and I thank RJ for part of that.

    In general, I would say that there was more activity in the forums, or at the very least, conversations that didn't have days/weeks between replies. I'm slightly disappointed for not joining earlier on, but it's good to make due with what we've got, too.
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    May 29, 2016 4:39 PM GMT
    JonSpringon said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mx5guynj saidSadly, a lot of guys left after AOL bought RJ a few years ago and removed the video chat.


    Is this true? I hadn't heard that AOL bought RJ. I hope the guys who created it were paid well. Thy deserve it.


    I don't think it was that... I think that the RJ chat features were enabled with APIs to AOL's chat engine. AOL changed its mechanism for chat, or removed the API access, or something like that...

    Not that I know for sure, I joined right after chat was gone, but that's what I remember that's what an "old timer" said when i asked...


    Jon is correct in that the only chat portion of the site was removed when AOL, owner of the online chat software, discontinued their technical support. This eliminated the platform utilized for the program. It was a big hit on RJ as this feature was used by many during the wee hours of the morning and resulted in many from that part of the site to enter the forum section and begin trolling against any established discussions.
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    May 29, 2016 11:20 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mx5guynj saidSadly, a lot of guys left after AOL bought RJ a few years ago and removed the video chat.


    Is this true? I hadn't heard that AOL bought RJ. I hope the guys who created it were paid well. Thy deserve it.

    I don't spend near the amount of time on this site that I did like maybe 5 years ago when it was quite a lively place -- especially in the forums where it could often get darn-right nasty. Now when I come here I am surprised at how little activity there is in comparison to years past. It's really a shell of what it once was.


    AOL bought RJ and Verizon bought AOL in June 2015 which is why we are seeing changes.
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    May 29, 2016 11:29 PM GMT
    eb925guy saidI've been here since the early 2000s and the biggest changes have been the disintegration of community. When RJ started it was a very tight community of guys with a common interest in fitness, nutrition and men. There was a lot of fun chatter, great advice and camaraderie. The owners organized a booth at the Folsom Street Fair (the owners at that time were from SF) and members in many cities organized their own 'meet up' groups a bit later. It was all about developing friendships and keeping in touch. Then came the demise with the trolls and those that insisted on being nasty. Hatred filled the forum with anonymity. Oversight by management, that was never needed, was not implemented and after some very unfortunate insults, the core of what made RJ so great (those that hadn't already left in disgust) made a mass exodus from the site. Gone was the camaraderie, fun, clean banter, discussions and support for fitness, advice and encouragement, only to be replaced with rudeness, offensiveness, vulgar and inappropriate name calling by trolls with unverifiable monikers.

    A few of us old timers log on occasionally but it's hard to be encouraged after all the friends and fun we had in the past are gone. We see some of the same names of people who perpetuated the mass exodus still here today. The luster is gone, the shine has tarnished and, although we look to find just a glimmer of what was, it is seldom found or bright enough to encourage much continuing participation.

    Perhaps a new look will inspire a new generation of men to reignite that camaraderie with respect for each other, the support of those struggling and advice to those requesting without judgement and insult. Perhaps management will resurrect their support for the site by implementing and enforcing ways to remove, eliminate and discourage the haters that brought the site down originally.


    Could not be said any better. MODERATE and banish the trolls. An inkling of disrespectful banter that is meant to hurt posters should not be tolerated and removed immediately. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to bully.
  • carew28

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    May 30, 2016 1:35 AM GMT
    The quality of gay trollery on this website has shown a marked decline over the past 3 years. I well remember the great Realjock trolls of old, the classic Trolls of yesteryear, who were to be found in this forum. Who among us now remembers Dontknow why, who could de-rail any thread at will and who frequently assumed the identity of valid posters; the schizophrenic Sustenance, who kept us all enthralled with his latest unpredictable revelations and and often disturbing insights into mental illness; the nearly indecipherable and politically incorrect tirades of Pattison; the notorious Isaiah, who posted from his jail cell, and kept us all glued to the screen as he updated us on his latest attempts to seduce his cellmate; and of course the incomparable and psychopathic Pazzy/Scared Midget, whose long, bitter, incomprehensible rants eventually morphed into the death threats that got him banned ?

    Alas, all gone now. In their place we have the uninspired, insipid, nearly illiterate trolls of these present times, who deluge these forums with their irrelevant and nonsensical commentary, pale imitations of their illustrious, now vanished, predecessors. Oh well, cito maturum, cito putridum.
  • Ariodante83

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    May 30, 2016 9:10 PM GMT
    Less bacon nowadays.
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    May 30, 2016 9:36 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidMODERATE and banish the trolls. An inkling of disrespectful banter that is meant to hurt posters should not be tolerated and removed immediately. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to bully.


    I've been arguing for years that the one place gay people ought to be able to visit without being subjected to bigotry and hate speech is a gay website. There's nothing wrong with robust debate and even a bit of mud slinging now and then, but people who visit this site simply to engage in gay-baiting, hate speech or personal abuse should be gone within a day.
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    May 30, 2016 9:44 PM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidMODERATE and banish the trolls. An inkling of disrespectful banter that is meant to hurt posters should not be tolerated and removed immediately. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to bully.


    I've been arguing for years that the one place gay people ought to be able to visit without being subjected to bigotry and hate speech is a gay website. There's nothing wrong with robust debate and even a bit of mud slinging now and then, but people who visit this site simply to engage in gay-baiting, hate speech or personal abuse should be gone within a day.
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  • silverfox

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    May 30, 2016 10:05 PM GMT
    It is nice to see some of the guys that used to be on here years ago when I used to start a lot of forum topics....some which (to my surprise) are still going strong. I am not sure why I stopped hanging out around here...though it was probably about the time that "Real Jock of the Day" became basically a beauty contest. I got tired of people expressing their opinion on things, and then getting shot down for doing so. For example, I used to like to hear the ideas of say, Republican gay guys even though I didn't necessarily agree with a lot of what they had to say. I am a Jewish man who might lean pro Israel, but I thought it important to be in touch with a Palestinian's point of view. Sometimes my eyes were opened to things I didn't know about or understand. It was nice to try to see things through the eyes of others, to search for commonality, and to empathize.

    Ah but for me "Real Jock" became a microcosm of the Real World ... a place to hang with and listen to only those of like mind.

    Not for me.
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    May 30, 2016 10:46 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE[quote][cite]Ex_Mil8 said[/cite]I think the changes on RJ reflect those on social media generally. I think RJ is still a very useful and generally congenial place for gay men to meet and interact, in spite of occasional attempts by a spoilt few to wreck the train set.
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    I really am keen to your answer , my thoughts are the same .ITALIC TEXT GOES HERE
  • ChicagoSteve

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    May 30, 2016 10:52 PM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    eb925guy saidI've been here since the early 2000s and the biggest changes have been the disintegration of community. When RJ started it was a very tight community of guys with a common interest in fitness, nutrition and men. There was a lot of fun chatter, great advice and camaraderie. The owners organized a booth at the Folsom Street Fair (the owners at that time were from SF) and members in many cities organized their own 'meet up' groups a bit later. It was all about developing friendships and keeping in touch. Then came the demise with the trolls and those that insisted on being nasty. Hatred filled the forum with anonymity. Oversight by management, that was never needed, was not implemented and after some very unfortunate insults, the core of what made RJ so great (those that hadn't already left in disgust) made a mass exodus from the site. Gone was the camaraderie, fun, clean banter, discussions and support for fitness, advice and encouragement, only to be replaced with rudeness, offensiveness, vulgar and inappropriate name calling by trolls with unverifiable monikers.

    A few of us old timers log on occasionally but it's hard to be encouraged after all the friends and fun we had in the past are gone. We see some of the same names of people who perpetuated the mass exodus still here today. The luster is gone, the shine has tarnished and, although we look to find just a glimmer of what was, it is seldom found or bright enough to encourage much continuing participation.

    Perhaps a new look will inspire a new generation of men to reignite that camaraderie with respect for each other, the support of those struggling and advice to those requesting without judgement and insult. Perhaps management will resurrect their support for the site by implementing and enforcing ways to remove, eliminate and discourage the haters that brought the site down originally.


    Could not be said any better. MODERATE and banish the trolls. An inkling of disrespectful banter that is meant to hurt posters should not be tolerated and removed immediately. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to bully.


    +1,000,000 It's the trolls that really drive people away. Everyone has their own opinion, and that's fine. But when you insult and bully others, you should be removed from the site.